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Ebt
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The Covid19 waves seem to be around 40 days, trough to peak. Arizona and Texas and some other states have probably just peaked.

Covid19 may be pretty quiet as we head into Labor Day.
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Unless Arizona's testing regime is materially different than everywhere else they have definitely peaked.

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The tadpole is gone due to CV-19. I am hunkering down.
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Labor Day? What's that? Who is working?

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Chromehill
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@Goforbroke - I am currently reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. Shirer discusses the 2nd Reich and how Otto Von Bismarck created a social security system. Its true purpose was to have people dependent on the government for security with the hope that they would not be interested in political freedom. Bismarck was right, people today have very little interest in freedom.

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@Whitehat - No doubt the government and the public health experts are going to crow about the great job they did. The real purpose of those outrageous models projecting 2.2 million deaths was to panic people and create the narrative for all the lives the clowns making the decisions that they did a great job.

Two hundred thousand alleged covid deaths later (when it is all said and done) and the clowns will say their actions saved 2 million lives. Their will be no mention of fraudulent models to start with, no mention of lying about the true number of deaths and no mention of intentionally killing the vulnerable by seeding the virus into nursing homes.

Don't forget, George Floyd is technically a covid death.

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I just heard one of the other regular doctors on CNN run the line that all doctors agree that mask mandates work and that the science is clear. That's a copy and paste line from the Globull Warming script.

Meanwhile, in the Military Industrial Complex (or as the internet likes to refer to it these days - the Deep State), Karen is mandating we hide under our desks, and the Orange Man is not putting a stop to this ****. My liberal colleagues fired another shot at the Orange Man via their collaborators in the Left Wing media, related to bounties on US soldiers. When in reality, there have been bounties on US soldiers spanning Bush and Obama, not even counting historical conflicts (e.g. Vietnam). Meanwhile, agencies have been running skeleton manning against all high priority national security issues instead of implementing more rational plans. Back in March, before they sent most of the Deep State home for paid vacation, there was talk of us going to shifts, so everyone would work every day, just in shifts. There is talk of making that happen when people come back, but the "reconstitution" date keeps on getting pushed back, because workers at home are becoming infected in the community. They like to brag that there are no cases among the workers going into the office, but the truth is only a tiny fraction are tested. If they tested more, they'd find more. I still wouldn't be worried, but the Karens would. If they start finding cases in the office, they'd lock it all back down to skeleton crews like we're working with now.

The classic I Love Lucy episode in the chocolate factory is how it feels with the amount of manpower we're working with - we can't keep up. Our adversaries are taking advantage of this period while we're handicapped by CV-19, to make big moves to advance their agendas, to the detriment of the US and allies. We don't have the manpower to adequately monitor and process information on threats against the US, due to the Scared Karens that really run the Deep State keeping most of the workforce home on paid leave. Just like the Karen Borg is willing to destroy the US economy to save a small number of people, turn a blind eye to the spike in suicides, substance abuse, and domestic violence caused by their policy, Karen's policies are trashing US national security.

PS - It pissed me off that while grocery workers, delivery men, fast food workers are considered essential, government workers are sitting at home in fear. I hear their fear when they call into tele-make-work conference calls that count as hours worked for them, and they scold people for not wearing masks, and tell of the horror stories of encountering people out fishing in the Shenandoah Valley without wearing masks (it must be so traumatic). It's been too long since I and others working have gotten to take a proper vacation, and I'm about to just throw up my hands and and say **** this, if they don't care about getting the mission accomplished then I don't either.

Colleagues at the Pentagon tell me that to prevent spread, they're keeping workers isolated within the building, and people aren't allowed to go into certain areas (not due to information security, but due to health security). I asked why can't they just call for replacement personnel from the pool sitting at home if someone gets sick, and they said that policy is prohibiting them from doing that - WTF!

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Yeah they will crow all right. Now that everyone, well any with eyes that open to the real world, can see we ain't all ded from this boogerman they are moving the goalposts once again. So now the media clowncar brigade are saying the USA is the highest in the world and yet even so we must, and I assume the world too, acknowledge that we are UNDER reporting the cases. Man are they desperate.

Now the FDA has given a green light to pooling testing. 4 can be tested in one sample, comes back positive the 4 will be tested individually. How's that for stoking fear.

I think we are headed for another lockdown. Faux-ci says we are adding to the problem by not wearing the dang masks everywhere we go. Some Goober in
Texas believes we should wear them - wait for it - in our own homes. So as Karl has said, since we have only delayed the inevitable exposure to the population, we will continue to have tested positives till we reach herd immunity. When it is clear the masks don't work, social distancing is a joke they will have no choice but to lock us in our homes. And I fear there won't be as many "essential" businesses left in the stay open category. They cannot afford to have so many laboratories that prove 100% exposure is not real as they believe.
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Freedom? What's that? Who has time for that?

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Little_eddie
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Ok, I had my first real conversation with the scared karens today.

It's working, the distraction from whatever is coming is complete. It's all protect me from the Covid and forget about life and living. They have no idea of what's happening in the rest of the world only what's being talked about on the tube.

What's coming must even be way worst then what I've been thinking.

These people are going to be fighting to get into the boxcars first, I'm hopefully more of a Warsaw ghetto type guy.


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Depression2020 - Obviously you work with the military. I have been wanting ask someone with higher up facts, other than my E-2 son and E-3 son in the military, cuz they are just too low on the totem pole to see much at this point.

Are you seeing any BLM type trash on military bases? I have read where senior enlisted and officers are hyping the racist crapoola and promise to fix it. I also know military members should obey their lawful orders and are trained to do so. But with their superiors constantly harping is there any sign that maybe, just maybe, the military members will begin to refuse to obey the orders of this racist institution? And what of the civilian workers on base? Any sign they might try to make trouble in their roles?

Sorry if stupid question, it is just the way my brain works.
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Oh my. Fauci is pushing the big lie.

"Fauci holds up New York as model for fighting coronavirus 'They did it correctly'"

www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/18/fauci-holds-up-new-york-as-model-for-fighting-coronavirus-they-did-it-correctly.html
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Even snopes said it is mostly true. I hear there is more to why he changed his name. In progess to verify.
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I'm hopefully more of a Warsaw ghetto type guy.
Is there a network of sewers in Delaware that is like Warsaw's? A better location may allow you to become a forest brother. https://eng.lsm.lv/article/culture/histo....
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... I've been musing over the question of why state and local governments, and many mega businesses have jumped on the mask mandate bandwagon, even though the death rate from CV-19 continues to plummet. The only answer that makes sense is that they know this is about to burn itself out and they think they can take credit for being part of the "solution."

Actually, the best time for them to jump on the mask bandwagon is when the death rate is starting to plummet. Also, as we reach a point where the case rate starts to go down, they will cite the masks as the contributing factor. Then they can take credit for the masks working to lower the case and death rate. Also, when the next manufactured virus crisis hits, they can say, "It worked so well for Covid, that it is the solution to this."

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Little_Eddie

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These people are going to be fighting to get into the boxcars first,

People are so taken by fear of this, it has created a life of it's own.

If in 2019 I gave you 100 to 1 odds, that shop owners would willingly shut their business, schools would close indefinitely and people could be arrested for not wearing a useless piece of cloth on their faces. You would have asked how much crack I had been smoking and probably made a huge bet.

Of course there is no need for boxcars when we have an untested vaccine that will protect us from all things...The corona virus. So far the corona virus vaccines that have been tested on animals have proven much more harmful than not getting one. But fortunately we have good'o bill gates who is bragging about taking genetically modified organism and injecting them straight into the veins of children. This makes boxcars so 1940's.

We also have walmart who will gladly have "movie" nights for your young ones while you shop. What? One of the other kids in the group magically tested positive for the corona virus, sorry we will have to quarantine your child here at wallmart for the next 14 days, but don't worry your child will have plenty of fun things to do and we will gladly bill you for our products and services...Yea just prove your child didn't eat all that food. What you can't wait 14 days, no problem, for a small fee we will inject straight into your child's vein a genetically modified organism, that will do absolutely nothing to actually help them from the corona virus, but it will help to make bill gates a few more dollars. And since you are in line you might as well get your vaccine too.

Now go home and die.

Yup, sadly I believe you are correct and people will be climbing over each other to receive the "cure", coming to a ghetto near you.

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What bothers me about what I am hearing with COVID-19 focusing exclusively on the recovery rates, and what seems to be a large number of doctors who were either asleep in class when they covered the consequences of Encephalitis lethargica or worse, failed to grasp the implications.

But then again, one half of all doctors finished at the bottom half of their class.

The United States, Sweden, and the developing world (who didn't have a choice), by taking the herd immunity route are taking a gamble that there will be no long term complications later among the supposedly recovered.

It may be a gamble that pays off, or it may be one that comes back to bite us, if decades from now, large chunks of the population have unforseen consequences.

It is not uncommon. Take Chicken Pox for instance. It doesn't go away, it remains dormant in your immune system and can reactivate at a later time as shingles.

My fear is that we have gambled without knowing the odds, and perhaps it will turn out well for us, we won't have to waste resources other nations will trying to fight a hopeless battle forever preventing COVID. We will just accept it, move on and there will be no long term complications.

Or we may face a disaster that doesn't show itself for years or decades to come.
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...inject straight into your child's vein a genetically modified organism, that will do absolutely nothing..., but it will help to make bill gates a few more dollars.
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What if it also alters your child's DNA to modify ???
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@Expat_tom -- There have been exactly two viruses we have eradicated and only ONE of them was common to humans, which most people know about.

Two.

Oh, and there is reason to believe the flu shot may be cross-reactive with Covid-19, and not in the good way either. Isn't it interesting that one of the questions and cross-reference points that hasn't been looked at is how the statistics line up on who got the flu shot .vs. who got seriously ill with Covid?

It's not like it has any risk to study that, you know, since the shot was already taken and the data is there. But boy oh boy would that be bad for the CDC, Fauci, the NIH and a whole lot of other people if it turns out that there IS cross-reactivity. That's not a novel idea either; that's precisely what sometimes happens when a vaccine not just fails to work but works "backwards" so to speak.

Of course if that's the case, and it comes to light, well, that's going to get rather sporty.

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Article about Fecal-Oral transmission for Covid from March 20th.

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti....

China's CDC knew about the fecal-oral transmission and understood why it is so infectious. If they knew, you can bet our CDC knew too.

Criminals, frauds and liars.

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Yep.

This was SCREAMINGLY OBVIOUS and incidentally they post-hoc figured out that on Diamond Princess it was being spread FROM THE GALLEY. Big shock. NOT!

How? Because if you have collected RNA and the time and inclination to sequence it you can show the flow of the virus and how it got where it went. Which they did after the fact. Which PROVED it was not being transmitted in the air. Which incidentally is exactly why (1) it doesn't obey the laws of physics that apply to ALL airborne viruses and (2) it was and is spreading EXACTLY like norovirus does.

Oh, and that explains incidents like a bar in JAX too; a group of friends go out to the bar and all get it. But NOBODY ELSE does. So either (1) it was on your ****ing hands and you passed it around or (2) there's a MAGICAL CONE OF ATMOSPHERIC ISOLATION AROUND THE GROUP OF FRIENDS AND THE OUTSIDE INDEX CASE THAT PREVENTS ANYONE ELSE IN THE VICINITY FROM GETTING IT.

People are so ****ING stupid.

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The possibility of fecal / oral transmission was published in February. Five months later the CDC still states this transmission path is unconfirmed.

Why haven't they confirmed it, or ruled it out?

Stockman is 100% right. Blame Fauci and the CDC for the initial US response to Covid. But this clown car show is all on Trump. The man who claimed he could and would fire anyone has tolerated months of corrupt health policies. This is Trump's failure.

www.contracorner.co/stockmans-corner/the-clown-cars-are-fully-loaded-and-dr-faucis-is-leading-the-parade/

"The key point, however, is that this whole unspeakable Lockdown Folly does not remotely stem from the science, as the MSM supporters of Fauci claim.

Its just a hair-brained experiment in social control that happened because the Donald was too weak, ill-informed, distracted and innumerate to send Fauci and his camarilla of doctors and vaccine-peddlers packing when the mid-March guidelines were first issued by the CDC.

Yes, the Donalds political enemies in the ranks of big city mayors and Blue State governors have feasted upon the chum Fauci & Co have persistently tossed into the fetid waters of national politics, but that doesnt let Trump off the hook.

If the truth be told, this is the Trump Lockdown Folly and ranks among the greatest blunders ever committed by a US President. Thats because even at this late date nearly four months into the resulting economic disaster:

there is no evidence that asymptomatic persons are transmitters of the virus,
there is powerful statistical evidence that 95% of the population can cope with the disease and recover if they do become infected.
Yet, the twin pillars of Faucis hair-brained social regimentation scheme assumes they very opposite: Namely, that healthy Americans must be put under house arrest because they are silent spreaders and killers of their fellow citizens; and that the disease is so virulent that its #1 enemythe powerful immune system of every healthy Americancannot be trusted to do its job if the virus is permitted to follow its natural course of contagion and eventual herd immunity."
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The tadpole is gone due to CV-19. I am hunkering down.
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https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200719/c....
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When the Center for Public Integrity unveiled an unpublished report by the White House Coronavirus Task Force last week, it contained the proverbial good news and bad news for Ohio.

The Buckeye State was not among the 18 hard-hit states directed to enact stricter measures such as mask requirements and increased testing statewide.

However, we were in the next tier, among those states told to crack down on red zone areas (not quite the same as Ohios red counties as defined by the state health department) with the highest levels of COVID-19.

Public officials were advised to take several steps, including:

‒ Closing bars and gyms.

‒ Starting weekly testing of workers in long-term-care or assisted living facilities.

‒ Providing isolation facilities for COVID-19 victims unable to quarantine at home.
If we're looking to WH and Trump to do anything, we're fooling ourselves.

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Tickerguy:
I am not referring to eradicating, but the total cost of ownership for dealing with mitigation by society.

In one case many nations will be dealing with this forever in terms of trying to contain flair-ups while they use their aggressive protocols for containment such as the Koreans or New Zealand or Singapore.

The other case, many nations will be dealing with the as of yet unknown repercussions of allowing it to run around that through population, and have that population 'recover'.

Both incur costs, and are gambles, gambles that could end up being much more costly than realized at first glance. The herd immunity naysayers like to talk about excess death per million and I believe that misses the forest for the trees.

The greater consequences is the long-term physiological impact to the the recovered and what it does to their healthspan a d lifespan.

Indeed, it may be a gamble that pays off well, or it may be one that comes back to blow up in our face twenty or thirty years from now.

I'm not a fan of gambling when you don't know how well out of the house are stacked.
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Expat, there is no gamble.

The choices are to endure incredible social and economic costs, to extend the duration of the Covid pandemic, or to do little and let individual and collective immunity do their job.

People die. Every day. Every hour. Every minute.

The lost-years mortality of COVID is minor - median age of deaths is 80 and higher! The actual mortality rate of "dead due to Covid" is small. The reported death toll is greatly exaggerated by assigning any death to Covid if the virus is present.

On this standard, how many thousands of people die from the common cold?
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You're missing the point @Expat_tom -- maybe intentionally.

You cannot stop the virus from circulating. You can slow it down with various "mitigations", but changing the outcome is not the same thing as changing the TIME of the outcome.

Frankly, that which I cannot change is not something I'm going to get exercised about. What we do know is that we can detect those who are going to get hammered with a high degree of reliability (specifically, D-dimer elevation) and if you're in that group then aggressive intervention to stop that is likely worthwhile in that it may or may not work but has very little risk associated with it unless you are in a group that cannot use the mitigation methods (specifically, anti-coagulants and immune modulation -- those are not drugs without risk; if you have a clotting disorder or serious immune dysfunction then they're definitely contra-indicated, but for ordinary healthy people they pose little to no risk over a short course of treatment, say, a week or two.)

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