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Tsherry
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I read through this article

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

And got this reply from a relative on Bainbridge Island:

"I find tapping the little i tells me a lot about article sources. This one told me a LOT. This is an agenda piece, not facts. #wearamask #vaccineswork #scienceisreal"

Unreal.

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You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider, Adams said during an interview on Fox & Friends on Monday morning. Folks who dont know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus,


From this link: https://jennifermargulis.net/healthy-peo....

Absolutely correct. I lost count at north of TEN times a waitress in a restaurant touched her mask while "serving" me -- and that's just the touches I saw! Since she had an entire section and was in the back, I'm sure there were more.

Every one of those was a contaminating event.

I understand how to avoid ****ing myself because I've worked with dangerous reagents and such in the past -- where mistakes mean you burn holes in your skin or get cancer 5 years later. But outside of a lab environment? I'm nowhere near careful enough. An untrained person? Not a prayer in Hell.

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This could be a conspiracy theory, but an unnamed source says the CDC has been cooking the numbers.

https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/stat....

There are some things that don't make sense and one of them is why western nations have such high death tolls. And, the highest are in Democrat cities.

From the beginning, I knew they needed a death toll to justify the panic. The MSM has been sensationalizing this for political purposes, from the start. No facts are allowed, only continual bull****. There is a State rep or Senator in Minnesota they are going after, because he said there was pressure to call any death CV19 caused. Imagine that? Going after a guy for telling the truth. NY actually dug up prior deaths and called them CV19.

Then we get the mask bull****. Is there anything pushed in the media that can be verified as true? You can find many studies that say they have limited or no value. You can't find one that says the opposite. Yet, Fox Business has a bitch on that called herself a doctor, saying masks could stop this in 90 days or less. She is either stupid or lying.

The CDC just might be covering this ass, if this is true. Or, like most government agencies, the people are communists 90%. There is verification H1N1 was active this winter and when the virus hit, they disappeared it, though the continued counting flu and flu related pneumonia in their stats. They also did a quick fix with the vaccine, due to H1N1 being in the southern hemisphere. Could they have put out a ****ed up vaccine and hiding their dirty deed?

The Democrat Party has been working on destroying the US economy for the past 55 years. Few Republicans have ever done anything to reverse it. Trump and Reagan are the only ones that have taken action to reverse anything. There can't be a successful reversal of this garbage, with the goal of fascism or communism within their grasp. This isn't tinfoil. Open your eyes and listen. Look at the locked down states. Almost solid blue. The cities in red states are almost all Democrat. Don't think they give a **** about the private sector. This is all being run by bureaucrats, not elected officials. Bureaucrats are just like manure in a feed lot. Remove the top and the next layer is mostly **** too.

It would be nice, if we had more people like Rick Grennell in government. In an interview yesterday, he mentioned moving the bureaucracy out of DC. Centralized bull**** ensures we continue to get more bull**** and no solutions.

There are 2 elephants in the room. The flu and the death count in Singapore. Singapore's numbers make no sense, if you look at numbers in the western world. Maybe it is the Western numbers and their failure to stop the flu and covering it up is what doesn't make sense.

I took the numbers below off the CDC flu & pneumonia board. Maybe they are mixing CV19 with pneumonia, but there are indicators they aren't. You would think they would call it CV19, if it was, since they supposedly have a separate count. The numbers are for this year and the prior 3, weeks 13-23.



2020 87770195989729
2019 36410175438164
2018 35839133837177
2017 37393128938682

Note 2017-2019 look much the same. 2020 is a monster. Is the best way to cover this up is to make something else the culprit? WE HAVE 51,000 EXTRA DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO FLU AND RELATED PNEUMONIA. According to my last analysis, that is about the sum number of extra deaths we have seen in 2020.

The media and the Washington swamp have launched 1 hoax after another on Trump and the country. The Russian hoax had been discredited and virtually exposed as a conspiracy to overturn an election, run by the prior administration. If George Bush had done that to Obama, he would be 11 years into a 2000 year sentence, one so long the might have put his wfe and kids in with him. Then we have the impeachment, which was a criminal coverup of the former VP and State department, among many more. Now they run this scam, to start a depression.

Remember, they denied us HCQ, when there was nothing but a death sentence for those severely affected. Trump wanted to open Easter, then was cornered into the end of April. It isn't Trump that isn't opening the economy. It isn't the air spreading this virus either.

The willingness of the US media to lie and then not report the truth, when it comes out is even more extreme than I even imagined. Does anyone really believe Trump could have done anything different, when the experts given him were liars and the media would do a special on every person that died? Like everything else he has faced, he had to let it play out. He could have stopped the riots, but they would have played it like they did when he cleared out the park by the White House. Those people were throwing rocks and bricks. I might have brought the machine guns out, as burning the White House was next.

Recall, back when Trump was being impeached, he said he caught them all. Well, I think we are going to find he caught them all again. 3 of the biggest hoaxes in US history, 1 after another. DC is a criminal enterprise and Obama made sure it was more criminal than ever. In the meantime, they ran the riots and the enemies of the people revealed themselves, all the way to the corporate boardrooms.

I think BAC pledged $1 billion to BLM the next 4 years, if I heard right. Imagine that, a national bank giving a communist outfit $1 billion? AT&T also put in big money. Were they buying them off or is this even more sinister, fascists wanting to take away the bill of rights? Are they betting big on China, while enslaving the USA?

Some might have heard Barr the other day, calling out corporate America for selling out for China and acting as foreign agents? This is all about the same thing. The virus, the riots and China. s the real issue that Trump is going to blow their game up?

We can joke about vents, but what did Trump do? He put the automakers in the business of manufacturing what we had to get from China. He shut off a lot of the work visas, giving corporate tech fits. He is shutting off the cross border smuggling lanes and their drug and human trafficking. Note how fast Maxwell was arrested after he took the door guard off the case. This **** is all on the table now, including the DC medical scam. The swamp has over played their hand.

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Meh.

Trump has micropenis and no nuts.

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twainfan wrote..
I keep seeing lefties citing some study in the Lancet where some guy named Chu did observational studies showing masks work. I keep telling these people that observational studies are worthless. They just dont want to listen to facts.


Ee4fire wrote..
The New England Journal of Medicine is even calling the requiring of masks a reflexive reaction to the WuFLu.


They are both lying

If masks worked, we wouldn't be seeing the spikes. Only oddballs like me aren't wearing them.

The other alternative is they are falsifying the numbers. Both cases could be true. There is almost nothing in the media true and very little out of cited organizations. If NE Journal of Medicine is telling the truth, they need to throw out all their research.


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PNAS published an alleged PEER REVIEWED study that had THE PREDICATE falsified before it was reviewed.

So-called "science" today is garbage. You have to read the entire ****ing study AND UNDERSTAND IT to know if it's any good. The majority are not.

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If he gets re-elected KD, we should find out. They have been throwing hardballs at him for 3.5 years now and for every truth out of the media, there are 1000 lies. I think most people would be back on their golf course and yacht. Hopefully they need the prison space they cleared out. If he doesn't get elected, it will be business as usual and likely an overthrow of what is left of the Republic. Biden is going to nominate a communist VP and combined with 220 communists in Congress, we will be finished after they exercise the 25th amendment.

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Oh **** him sideways.

He's a ******ned carnival barker.

And yeah, it's over for the US, and we're all to blame for it.

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@Wozjoysfav

So Woz, where did that come from? My Surname is Wozny.

On these pages bits and pieces of my Curriculum Vitae have be submitted and graciously published by out host.

I'm going to make it SHORT!

At Zero Dark Thirty, when inexplicably you sit up in your bed in a cold sweat. And there before your eyes these questions appear and so does the ANSWER! It is there, If not, you HAVE NOT been paying ATTENTION!



Mannfm11
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I tried to fix those flu numbers, but they didn't come out. In order for weeks 13-23, they are year, pneumonia deaths, direct flu and total

2020 87770 1959 89,729
2019 36410 1754 38,164
2018 35839 1338 37,177
2017 37393 1289 38,682

The third column is flat flu deaths, meaning the flu killed the person. Whether you doubt the second and 4th columns, you can see 2020 was almost 50% more deadly than 2018 or 2017. This is beginning the end of March. HAS ANYONE HEARD THE MEDIA OR FAUCI TALKING ABOUT THE FLU SINCE FEBRUARY?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarc....

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Jeepguy
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Song time:: Beach boys parody!

do the math do the math, buddy gonna Shut the governor's bull**** down,

it happened in the store where the aisle is wide, two idiotic goons standing side-by-side, yeah they're mask-wearing morons and they're government stooges, revving up their cell phones gonna turn us in,

do the math, do the math, buddy shut the governor down,

Counting false numbers at an even rate, yeah if you can lie, it makes the government feel all warm and fuzzy inside,

Gotta be cool now because the governor is a complete moron..

the mask wearers are pushing the narrative, but we all know that it's a bunch of ****, in Asia they wear masks all the time but we also know it didn't stop none of this crap!

Managers slammed to the floor they are informed, they will ring us up as normal, because this ****s too much!!

Shut the governor off, shut him off because he's a moron!!
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@M1919a2

"Woz" subbed for "Was". My late wife's name was Joyce, hence the phrase for an ID.

Yes, you were an attorney example for me to cite for reference and guidance ahead.

Your selection of Browning's light MG amused us vets. When at Benning in the 1950's, they had a firepower demo of WW!! weapons from Germany and other combatants Their MG34 and later MG42 ran rings around our MG's still in service then until the M60 arrived with many of the German improvements present. The German MP1944 also was the template for the AK47 & other postwar designs.

A recital of your legal skills will remain most welcome on this site & hope you remain a stalwart contributor ahead!
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Interesting view of the HCQ effectiveness question:



https://s3.amazonaws.com/lrc-cdn/assets/....

Puts a pretty fine point on the matter. Hard to argue HCQ doesn't help based on this data.

Or, it could just be a coincidence, right?


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While getting ready for the heat wave this morning turned on the national news for a moment for the usual bull****. They were speaking about the whole mask thing as usual. One thing caught me as it was being repeated in a certain way. Masks would be what stops this virus. Here is where i think that this whole thing is going.

They know the exact same things that we discuss here. The virus is going to infect, sicken and kill the people who are destined to get it, period. Then it is mostly over. Nothing that they do changes this effect. The only mitigation is helping sick people effectively or not as in dead.

Here is how it goes. The mask mandates along with all of the other restrictions allow the authorities to take credit for something that nature does automatically.

Think of the implications for a society like ours if the authorities revert to what was said in earlier eras that people must accept certain things and deal with them and that they the authorities are in many situations powerless.

We raised successive generations to the phrase, "the government needs to do ...."

If people realize that the solutions are in themselves and that certain risks are real oftentimes without solutions other than acceptance, lots of mentality changes. It is by its nature much more of a libertarian and conservative mentality.

Part of selling is making people feel a need. The politicians sell the public on needing government; the medical industry does this too. Sometimes marketing appeals to people's inner fears about themselves such as inadequacy. The government appeals to the desire to be protected.

In the really sophisticated venues of marketing there is a lot of attention paid to after sale convincing and avoiding consumer doubt. At least the smart companies do this or used to .

This whole mask thing is the government and politicos hedging their bets to claim at sometime in the future that something that they did "worked." All of the other strategies and restrictions will be used in the same way.

It is like primitive times when some priest had some knowledge of a coming natural event not known by the general population. He predicted something and it looked like he had special powers of vision or understanding. The people were partly to blame as it always was human nature to desire to have leaders make decisions for them.

People now do not want to think for themselves as they must accept a certain amount of risk and uncertainty. The politicians and authorities are merely positioning themselves so that in the future they can claim special status of predicting, guiding and solving a problem which solved itself.

I once knew a really sociopathic college administrator. He would constantly claim credit for everything good that happened or got done. We used to joke openly, "The sun rose today. Thanks Jim."

Play with it to the point of ridiculousness. The toilet flushed, thanks Cuomo. I woke up this morning, thanks Fauci. What would i do if the government did not tell me what to eat?

The police play this game. Want to end all property theft and most other crime in your community forever? Every able male rotates on a shift where a group of about three covers different times of the day patrolling perhaps in a car. One person gets into trouble, not three. Using the entire population of the area, no one's schedule is bothered that much.

The politicians fear simple solutions and public autonomy. It's one thing when companies try to sell on faster or sexier. It's another when leaders sell nothing.

They know that masks do nothing. They are relying upon the human desire to correlate and not look for causation. They are also relying on people wishing that they "would do something."

People want certainty from leaders. This country was founded by people who wanted to free themselves from the primitive priests of human control and live with personal responsibility, autonomy, ability and community. There has always been a struggle as churches and certain leaders wanted a subservient flock. Religion is tool that can be used for good or bad. However there was always the temptation to make people passive and follow a life plan. The real challenge was to have non-passive people working together in community. One cannot have a profitable control situation with autonomous people. The ultimate fear of all including family heads was the fleeting nature of human relations. Our leaders were supposed to coordinate community effort, not lead.

The above required people to accept that the only way to be in control was to realize how little control they actually had. The improper response was chosen, not to look at what one could control, his internal self, but to control others through law, pressure and physical action.

We started a path inconsistent with the country's founding. Take marriage for instance. It played on man's fear of a spouse leaving. With all of the laws and attempts at control and massive resources expended enforcing said, is it better?

Every time we import people from primitive, belief based cultures, Catholics, Islamic, South American for just a few examples, we bring in people and lineages acculturated to believing in the priests of power and needing guidance. This is why politicians like to import them.

The greatest fear for anyone in a position of relying upon others' ignorance of their own power is the realization that he is not needed.

I do not need Trump, Fauci, Cuomo, the police, health inspectors, doctors, medical professionals. Keep repeating it and tell them whenever you can, "I don't need you to tell me, do for me or control me."

The virus does not need anything either. It takes care of itself, just like nature does. These masks are men attempting to claim credit for the work of the gods.

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People don't just ignore the facts.

They run from them as if they were a virus.

Huh.

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Got a day off today, first in a while not counting 4th so I am going to spend the day getting ready, more ready I should say, for the horrors coming which I believe are now unavoidable.

But did see 2 articles where they are now reporting the death of children, young adults. Man they must have worked overtime hard to scour the data to find these outliers. Yes I know children can and do die from disease, we nearly lost a child before he was 3 months old. So I get that. But as Karl said we are not all 100% of us going to get this and a small percent only will die. Yet they keep at the drumbeat.

One mentioned a 17 y.o. who died of covid. In fairness the article does mention she had multiple serious health problems before that, including autoimmune deficiencies. As a father my heart breaks for the family but really. To use this poor child and her family to drum up even more Corona hysteria is immoral, I ain't a doc but to be so young with such serious issues she most likely succumbed to any number of things. Leave them be and don't politicize their grief for your agenda.

The other mentioned a brother and sister, don't remember the age, who died of Covid 10 days apart. They too had health problems and from the picture it would seem obvious they were grossly obese. Again I feel for the family, but leave them out of the agenda.

Again, I feel for the moms and dads. But leave the kids out of the fear peddling business. Our media are shameless exploitive monsters. It is sad beyond words as a father to see children die, but they do and have since time immemorial. Look at any graveyard and you can see multiple graves of children who died in the process of being born or an epidemic that went through their community. None of us, regardless of age are exempt from death. Life is a gift from God, enjoy it while we are here on this side of the green sod.
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Whitehat wrote..
The mask mandates along with all of the other restrictions allow the authorities to take credit for something that nature does automatically.


Agree 100%. I've been musing over the question of why state and local governments, and many mega businesses have jumped on the mask mandate bandwagon, even though the death rate from CV-19 continues to plummet. The only answer that makes sense is that they know this is about to burn itself out and they think they can take credit for being part of the "solution." The masketeers will buy this story hook, line and sinker.
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Back in the day, when I was first introduced to the True/False questions on tests, my first grade teacher, Presentation Nun Sister Mary Francis, told us HOW you can IDENTIFY a FALSE item - in a test or anywhere ELSE!

If you FIND anything in the question or statement, no matter how long or short, no matter HOW MANY truths are in the question or statement -

ONE MICROSCOPIC FALSE makes the ENTIRE question or STATEMENT (drum roll please)

FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE very CAREFUL in what you say, write and/or support - for ONE falsehood condemns all the good you may wish to convey!

Just saying!
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Oh, A follow-up

Be careful WHO you let into your FOXHOLE.

As is seen from this report on the fire in a Cathedral in frogland!

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/07/18/sec....
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The tadpole is gone due to CV-19. I am hunkering down.
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In 1941, Eric Fromm wrote "Escape from Freedom." I remember reading it as a high schooler.

Quote:
If humanity cannot live with the dangers and responsibilities inherent in freedom, it will probably turn to authoritarianism. This is the central idea of Escape from Freedom, a landmark work by one of the most distinguished thinkers of our time, and a book that is as timely now as when first published in 1941.
People don't want freedom because it involves responsibility, risks, and accountability. I think that is what is at work here.

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Trump has micropenis and no nuts


Meh, I say back to you.

Anyone who puts up "I WILL DO THIS OR THAT!!!" to get votes, but takes those promises down after winning the election, is certainly a very large Dick.

And as far as not having nuts...How do you explain, piglosi, shift, shumer, MSM?

He is surrounded by nuts, but he is also a big enuff dick that he likes all those nuts.

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Fair point.

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OMG, we just got back from the local Saturday farmer's market, and I really can't believe the sheeple stupidity. It's an OUTDOOR market, 90 degree heat with fairly high humidity, and 98% of the attendees and vendors are wearing a mask! We had to park about 2 blocks away, and the people were even wearing masks enroute to the market, with just a few folks on the sidewalk. I give up, we are doomed!

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@Nickdanger - we call them Sheeple for a reason.
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In addition to running the story of the 85 infants who popped positive for CV-19 in Texas all day long, the Left Wing media is spreading the propaganda from Fauci that Cuomo and New York "reopened correctly." They're deceptively comparing recent case counts to New York, screaming about how they're higher than any of the worst daily increases in New York, when there is strong evidence that NY's true case count was around 10x higher. New York and Florida have similar populations but NY recorded about 32,100 CV-19 deaths while Florida has only recorded about 4800 (let's assume they both inflate their stats in similar ways).

With its hospital overloads and nursing home massacres, New York should not be held up as a monument of success. The fact that things got better was due to reaching herd immunity, and not BS government policies. Between the underground restaurants and speakeasy bars that operated in defiance of lockdown orders to to the maskless and chinstrap wearing rioters later in the outbreak, NY residents shat all over Cuomo's mandates.

Even blue California, which locked down and had some of the strictest mandates, has had severe flare-ups after reopening, because they haven't hit herd immunity yet. Instead of admitting that the BS measures don't work, the doctor on CNN, prompted by the anchor, scolded people that masks are the only thing that "works" - didn't even ****ing mention hand washing. The doctor went on to criticize Sen Rand Paul's comments about being immune, by quoting the facts about diminishing antibody immunity. She admitted that t-cell immunity is probably also important as well, but held to the line that you shouldn't consider yourself immune. Then the anchor went into the hourly reiteration of the panic headline of the day, with the 85 infants...blah, blah, blah. The BS scold about immunity should put **** all over the Fauci and Left Wing media chatter about vaccines. But to be fair, on other days CNN brings on doctors who say that vaccines won't work therefore people will keep getting CV-19 again and again, with the anchor and the rest of the panel concluding that lockdowns and masks must remain forever.

All politicians - both political parties and at all levels - will take victory laps on CV-19 claiming it was only their policies that saved everyone. The states like NY and NJ that had the peak of their outbreaks early on were able to hit herd immunity while the government was dumping waves of helicopter money on the economy, enabling them to pay for their stupid policies while their populations were hitting herd immunity. The states hitting their peaks in more recent months are running out of road on the helicopter money, to paper over economy destroying policies by their own politicians. Therefore the screaming is getting louder to fuel the helicopters for another round of subsidized destruction of the economy.
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