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A copy paste from an article I was reading.

Three separate scientific studies have all showed that COVID-19 antibodies disappear very, very rapidly. In fact, some patients no longer had detectable antibodies just weeks after originally testing positive for antibodies. What this means is that it appears that COVID-19 is very similar to many other less dangerous corona-viruses that are floating around out there. Just like there is no lasting immunity to the common cold, there also appears to be no lasting immunity to COVID-19. That means that no vaccine is going to save us, we will never get to the point of herd immunity, and this virus will circulate all over the globe year after year.

There it islet that circulate and reality set in to what the worlds real future holds for everyone. We are still in the first inning with this disease and it will never go away. The damage still to come for everyone will be incalculable.
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Meh @Investor.

A Singapore study, which was written up, peer reviewed and published in NATURE, showed that 50% of people had T-cell reactivity to Covid19 -- but had never been infected.

Yes, it is true that vaccines are almost-certain to be worthless.

But that doesn't matter.

Yes, the reality is that you're going to get it. And get it again. And get it again. And so will everyone else.

So what?

Within a couple of months the majority of the population center areas of the nation will have reached suppression levels. It will continue to circulate but the "explosion" headlines will disappear. Note that Florida's case rate is down nearly 40% in a couple of days. They're in the lane as the state is right up on the edge of that line.

As I pointed out Singapore has figured out how to treat this bug. 0.06% of the people who got the virus in Singapore have died. That's LESS than the seasonal flu (which typically is around 0.1%)

The bottom line is that we're killing people. Singapore has figured out how not to kill people. You can't stop the virus and trying to do so is stupid, especially since a vaccine, on the history, is a waste of time and money.

But you can stop killing the people who get it and we already have a nation that has figured out how to do that.

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Some people's T-Cells will take this out without any antibodies.

For others, after they have got it and recovered - their T-Cells now know what this is, and they may not get it the next time.

According to Dr. Bartlett in West Texas, the Asian nations who are really succeeding are doing it with HCQ/Zinc, and Budesonide (steroid inhaler) for anyone who is starting to have difficulty breathing.

Hopefully, the treatment will stop being so politicized here. For countries that are acting like adults, Covid19 isn't much of a problem.
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The HCQ/Zinc thing, maybe. Budesonide is an interesting one. It arguably ought to be OTC, but it's not. I can see why it's not in that it IS a steroid, but being inhaled it's not systemic, so it doesn't have the issues that Prednisone and similar have.

But while he's convinced, I'm not. I want to see it in a larger group of people. It sounds like he's run his protocol in ~100 people, and all have been ok. That's great. Now show me 1,000 with no deaths and I get impressed enough to think we got something here, because you're now ~2SD out from expectations, and the odds of that being random chance are small.

Right now he barely makes the 1SD confidence level. That certainly bears attention, but it's not proof.

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@Tickerguy

Stopping the murders of old white people would be easy.

LaQuisha doesn't want to because she thinks basic hygiene is racist.

Karen doesn't want to because the sooner Biff's dad croaks the sooner she gets her payday.

The Democrats don't want it for obvious reasons.

Wall Street don't want it, because the longer this is drawn out, the more of what remains of America's middle class can be forced to accept cuts to their living standards of 50 percent or more and forget about ever working indoors again unless they can cry "ETERNAL LIFE TO CHAIRMAN XI, DEATH TO THE BARBARIANS" in pitch-perfect Mandarin.
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The HCQ/Zinc thing, maybe.

My understanding is that a Quercetin/Zinc combination should also slow down viral replication. Quercetin, like HCQ, is a zinc transport booster and it's available on Amazon, no prescription necessary. I guess that's one of the reasons why it's part of that Math+ regimen.

And don't forget boosting Vitamin D levels in the blood too. The best way to beat the virus when it shows up is to kill it before it multiplies beyond containment. Feed your immune system what it needs to do the job.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/jose....


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Well I still say it's better to as some say "over think" than to hardly think at all!

By the way, as of 6pm Friday aka tomorrow liking county Ohio is going full masktard!
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Don't watch the news much now a days. Whether local or national. Caught some local tonight. The word science is now used in every Story/argument to replace "my opinion". Truly a new religion.

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Jeep, we have a saying around here: Work Smarter, Not Harder.


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@M1919a2
Well, the whole defund the police and BLM along with antifa **** was conjured up to make you worship the police!!

You see as I have stated on here numerous times I remember a time not couple, 3 months ago 4 months ago perhaps...

When all walks of life was skeptical, if not completely pissed off whith the cops, or at least the idea of the cops enforcing nonsensical mask rules social distancing rules going around to businesses and basically being Pricks...

Everybody was pretty pissed off April and May about the cops trying to enforce arbitrary nonsensical rules!!

so when everyone got pissed off with them and they really started to question the system and yes Trump like, what the **** are they even doing on a federal level? given, should've Trump of given doctor foul-smelling ****, the boot and then he failed to do so yeah, everyone has totally been questioning their crap and the system and the guy that's supposed to help everyone, save us all blah blah blah blah blah... Enter Trump worship here...

Not to mention they wanted to walk everybody right back into their fake shut down and how their numbers bounce, you know their nonsense about a so-called second wave, they've been blabbing about....

so they had to restore faith in the police they had to restore and that supposed respect...

So what did they do? well it's very simplez they played the ****ing race card,then they sent the supposed left out there particularly the young left, as they love to projected it... and then they started saying things like "defund the police" next thing was all out cop worship, and now everyone is oh so all about those in government costume...

So BLM and all that bull**** is still happening, it has taken largely a backseat and of course the coronavirus nonsense has come up yet again as the big headline, that huge story is dominating the news and walking everyone right back into shutdowns! Now that they have your support for the police don't you find that a little funny we're going to even more nonsensical arbitrary laws couples with shutdowns some point they have more than threatened it, isn't that funny to you??????

or according to some people here, Gee I wonder if I ****ing over thought that too??

I suppose now some people will talk about how, no no it's going to be a slow burn and then a lot of the cops are going to totally stand up and be on our side and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....

I would say that anybody who thinks that, has **** for brains to be quite honest!!

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The additional stress to the body caused by Covid-19 infections is bad enough for at risk people. Now add on top of it the potential for outright medical neglect and what do you get? Dead patients.

Local news article recently reported on a 26 year old woman who died from Covid. Underlying conditions were asthma and diabetes. She went to the hospital when shortness of breath became an issue, was told she had pneumonia and sent home.

No Covid test administered.

Days later, a customer (she went back to work?) suggested she go back to the hospital, which she did. Finally tested (positive) for Covid and admitted. Eventually put on a ventilator and four days after admission she expired. Naturally her family was denied the chance to see her in the hospital, so she died alone.

https://weartv.com/news/local/26-year-ol....

How F'd up is this picture? It's bad enough that all levels of government have gone full retard on the Covid response (we all expect that from the government, right?). But this is outright medical neglect compounding the problem.

Apparently the local hospital may not be the best place to go if you get Covid and you're at risk with underlying issues.

As much as we like to point out the foolishness of government mandated nonsense (*cough* Masks *cough*) that isn't really helping, We should also keep in mind that Covid isn't something to ignore completely. It's serious stuff.

All the more reason to do what you can to bolster your immune system before you need it. The fact that government response is stupid is no reason to ignore the potential problem Covid poses. Any one of us might find ourselves in the subset of genetically unlucky, at-risk, population who will need all the advantages we can get if Covid becomes a reality.

Be prepared out there. Don't count on 'modern medicine' to come to your rescue. The life you save may be your own.


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@Tonythetiger

Thx. Quercitin is beneficial and perfectly safe supplement. I've used it numerous times to get rid of some injuries and it worked great. It's anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer, good for blood vessels and BP.

IMO, taking 500 mg Quercitin / day + zinc as a prophylaxis for the next year or two is probably an excellent idea.
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They're literally killing people.

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"Don't count on 'modern medicine' to come to your rescue"

Totally agree. I think take some actions to try not to get Covid19. Immune maintenance and boosting. Masks - whatever anybody thinks.

Then have your own treatment plan in case you do get it. I don't want to show up at the hospital and have them make that decision for me, cause they may be looking for a body count or to make as much money as they can on meds, or just not be adequately informed. For me at the present time, I've settled on HCQ/zinc as my initial go to, and Budesonide if I get into trouble.
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Reading the above comments with great interest.

Anecdotal reports of individual deaths indicates to me that people are (upon the advice of CDC & private doctors) waiting out the early symptomatic phase of a (suspected) CV19 infection until they are very, very ill. Then they enter the hospital system and are treated with conventional medical care -- all while the virus is replicating exponentially within their bodies.

Why these people do not have a $10 course of Ivermectin or HCQ/AZ/Zn ON HAND to self-treat is an ongoing tragedy.

Oh sure (you may say), we don't have large-scale, randomized controlled trials of these "experimental" drugs!

So what? The meds are NOT experimental, NOT new, ARE FDA approved and, in thousands (collectively) of cases reported, are reversing the course of viral replication within days and VIRAL LOAD IS BROUGHT TO A STANDSTILL, EVEN BECOMING UNTRACEABLE.

Instead of ventilators our government should have been positioning the above meds in every city/town/village in the U.S., available to any showing symptoms. Or, al least allow MDs to be able to freely Rx these meds on a one-by-one basis.

Going forward, as coronaviruses are known for their prevalence, those at risk for a bad outcome can take a course of Ivermectin or HCQ/AZ/Zn when affected in any new wave or new season where CV outbreaks re-emerge.

Self-rescue is one of my guiding principles. Waiting for my "gov't" or my "leaders" to get this right is a fool's errand.

They have a different agenda altogether.

Reason: grammar
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TG wrote:
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They're literally killing people.

Makes you wonder, how much that is driven by official CDC guidelines for treatment?

I haven't kept up with the latest 'best practices' for handling severe Covid cases, but I recall reading some time ago that ventilators were the first step when normal breathing didn't make the grade, despite several potential intermediary options.

You'd think that supplying oxygen via nasal cannula would be tried initially, even if you have to put a face shield on the patient to 'contain' any droplets from coughing, which seemed to be the reason for going directly to ventilators in the first place.

None of this stuff makes any sense. Government involvement is making a mess of everything it touches, to the point that even 'advanced' medicine is now a crap shoot (or worse).


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Tony: The hospitals get reimbursed $39k if they put somebody on a vent. They only get $13k for treating them any other way.

Yes. That's why they jump to vents first - which kill almost everybody put on them.

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Asi -- a good friend suspected this and i provided him with some extra information from this forum. He is a good guy, now really pissed. He now throws out every nurse and doctor from his business, and honestly he could use the work. Worse yet, they are a major part of this community and its customer base. He is even pressing the ones that he knows socially and family. Never expected this from him, kind of impressed.

This crossed the line for a regular guy by so offending his sensibilities.

He cannot believe that people can be so evil, his word.

This is the beginning of this thing falling apart.

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@Greenacr "If the SHTF as Jeepguy hopes, there's going to be a 90 percent die-off."

Which, coincidentally, is around the figure that Bill Gates and his cronies want to exterminate from the whole world. Bill 'Genicide Guy' Gates also happens to be behind the so-called vaccine. HMMM.

@Twainfan - The Twitter hack is especially amusing when you consider that Jack Dorsey perjured himself by saying 'we don't censor or mess with the recommended, search, or trending'. The hack has shown screenshots with what very much appears to be exactly those things applied to certain accounts. Oops.

Not that I expect anything to come from it, for all of Trump's bluster about tech firms.
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For those interested in other alternative avenues for fighting a Covid (or any) respiratory infection I can point you to this website which describes using hydrogen peroxide in a vaporizer/inhaler. I understand the theory is H2O2 will kill off the virus present on the nasal/windpipe/lung surfaces. In addition, the H2O2 that gets into the bloodstream is supposed to have a positive effect as well.

https://drrowendrsu.com/our-blog/respira....

I'm not a doctor and I've never used this myself, so the usual disclaimers apply. Any use is undertaken at your own risk. Given the number of older folks here I thought some might deem such risks worth considering, if it came to that point.

For the true DIY-er, here is a summary of the formulas for the final solution that goes into the inhaler. Note that food grade ingredients are recommended, though use of normally available ingredients may suffice (again, at your own risk):

Normal Saline (0.9%):
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1 cup warm distilled water (250 cc)
1/2 Tsp of salt (NaCl)
mix until salt is completely dissolved

Nebulizer solution for virus (produces 0.03% H2O2 solution):
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1/2 Tsp 3% H2O2 (2.5 cc) - food grade H2O2 preferred at 3% strength
1 cup Normal Saline (250 cc)
mix thoroughly

Fill nebulizer with 0.03% H2O2 solution and inhale 4 to 6 times per day.

If 0.03% mix causes excessive coughing/shortness of breath then reduce the concentration of H2O2 solution by making it with less 3% H2O2 (or more Normal Saline).

I also found a short write up by a dentist that you can download here:

https://www.janssendentalclinic.com/wp-c....

This paper claims that most people can simply mix 3% hydrogen peroxide with equal parts water (distilled, I presume) and inhale that mixture, which is much stronger (1.5%) than any other description I've seen anywhere else. Make of it what you will. I imagine it's safer than being ventilated.


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Gynojunkie wrote..
Why these people do not have a $10 course of Ivermectin or HCQ/AZ/Zn ON HAND to self-treat is an ongoing tragedy.

Because you can't just buy HCQ or AZ over-the-counter. I suppose Ivermectin can sorta kinda be got because it's commonly used in veterinary medicine, but dosing is a big question with that.

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"Corona Virus will come and go, but government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of everyone's life; to control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table, church pew, and even whether you are allowed to leave your house.
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Not really.

Got a calculator? Just make sure the form you buy is intended for ORAL use. There are TOPICAL versions of it and I suspect ingesting those might do the same sort of thing that happened to the couple that drank aquarium cleaner!

Of course the FAR BETTER answer is to get a proper HUMAN DOSE from a physician. Which he can prescribe, on label or not. I'm not aware of anyone banning that -- yet -- in the US, so you need a physician with a brain. That SHOULD be possible.

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Well, the stuff I have for my horses has right on every tube the correct amount per 100 pounds. Apple flavored too

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@Uwe:

"Because you can't just buy HCQ or AZ over-the-counter. I suppose Ivermectin can sorta kinda be got because it's commonly used in veterinary medicine, but dosing is a big question with that."

Open a dialog with your personal physician well before you or a family member becomes ill; if you are lucky he/she will be amenable to writing you an Rx for Ivermectin or HCQ/Etc for your personal use when and if indicated.

If your MD won't go for it, consider shopping for a NEW one.
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This annealer works wonder on reconditioning those high dollar value brass, and extend their life by a mile, if you are not max-loading your rounds. Set it up properly and will run as long as you gas supply can hold up.

It's not cheap, but it pays off in very short order. Bought it a more than a few years back, and it is still trouble free.

https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-cartri....

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