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Whitehat
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Gone West
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that's why i prefer bow type weapons for the long term. They are light, use immediately recyclable ammo, can be made by the old means, are easy to use and most of all silent.

Silent Kill = More Kills.

Regarding things going to hell. Unless one has invested in a secluded and well prepared redoubt which takes at least a decade to sort out and lotsa money, it is better to be minimalist and mobile. One good way to learn this is to explore living in a van or even a boat while leaving caches in various places. The ultimate is the ability to camp in natural areas.

I don't think that things are going to go to hell in this round. People are still too invested in the current system to trash it. I am seeing signs of things getting back to some normal. Remember that after 911 and even the first World Trade Center attack there were major changes that we take for granted even today. The fallout from 911 societal changes produced much of the fodder for the Alex Jones types when it was simply a good amount of government make work. This will be no different. After a while it will blend into the background as something that people take for granted and remember vaguely. After 911 the country produced a real estate bubble astonishing in size. There is a reason for this.

An organization that i was once a part of commissioned a respected business rating organization to assess the climate immediately after 911. This short report was one of the most useful things i ever got my hands on. It essentially states that after any crisis that is shocking, destructive and fear provoking people sort themselves into two groups which have something in common. There are the home and hearth types who discover their family as a source of strength and joy, excluding the harsh and dangerous outside world. The other group are the live-like-there-is-no-tomorrow group who like the first see life as short and with severe risks, but figure that they better enjoy it while they can, cause once dead, dead. The first actually shares the notion of life being fleeting and deals with it by desiring purpose and meaning and connection. The latter by pursuing their own goals and happiness. They both desire happiness and another thing.

There is the notion of acting now, short time horizon. Accepting the reality of death tends to do this. Neither wishes to waste time or delay. To an even greater degree neither have much tolerance for waiting for social issues to be sorted out knowing that things historically get pushed off. They will accept the good in place of the better if it means faster. I believe that this drove the Obamacare mess. They wanted healthcare fixed now at the time. This BTW was a slogan. Face it, younger people know that delay of gratification is historically used to never achieve something.

When this is over, and it will be over. People are going to want to do their thing, whatever that is. This will drive certain businesses, spending personally and governmental, borrowing and speculating. Eventually it hits a wall like we saw with 08-09, and then requires a cooling off period.

Have we shortened the interval? Will this push us past 2024?

Some of us who knew what the tech bubble was and would end cashed out and waited for the explosion. I was personally numb at the scope of the financial destruction, graft and long term damage. Major institutions outside of the financial world were majorly damaged. Major structural and functional changes persist to this day. Some felt that we were on the brink as a country. Then 911 and somehow we conjured up anther bubble and asset and government spending spree of unimaginable proportions. After that one flickered out, Obamacare got us to where we are now. It allowed people to carry the lie a little farther while we were in a malaise.

Is this the viral 911? If so, will it launch another session of home and hearth with the contrasting but functionally similar live like there is no tomorrow types.

Just like 911 was not really all that destructive in the grand scheme of what it birthed, this virus did little real damage in itself. Yet it is being compounded into a great justification just as a generation is entering prime medical spending years while another is addressing delayed household formation with another at its heels.

This is why the arguments in this forum fall on so many deaf ears. People are only interested in their own lives and how to angle in the current market. They simply see the corruption as others like themselves playing their own games to win. Everyone is simply avoiding being duped on his way towards his own goals.

The system cannot crash until it is broken too much to cycle like it does. This takes a lot, perhaps medicare 2024. Yes, after every event that i mentioned in this post, people were damaged, lives changed permanently, lifestyle modified greatly for some, but people adapted and most of the damaged found a way.

It is when enough of the damaged cannot find a way that change occurs, and the politicos have many ways of keeping them from this realization. After all of these financial and industrial blasts most of the ruined are not on the streets. They might be many notches lower, but we do not have an epidemic or even noticeable quantity of the once middle and working classes on the streets.

This is the key. Even if the former white collar worker has spent the years since the tech bust working in a succession of corporate retail, fast food and finally delivering food, living in a dump, divorced; he is not starving and homeless and will not revolt with the vast numbers of those just like him. And, if he can figure out some way to integrate with any scam possible to get a little better for himself, he will do so in a heartbeat.

These are the men from which government recruits muscle. We have seen this before in recent decades.

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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

What were you doing over the years as your children's future was being destroyed? Do not expect them to fix your mistakes or tolerate you for them.
Greenacr
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@ Jeepguy (When talking even in your house even in the basement you want to maintain low tones you do not want to announce the supplies)

If we ever get into this type of grid down scenario almost everyone one on this thread is ****ed. Read 2 secs after. It's a pretty good fictional account of what it would be like. If the SHTF as Jeepguy hopes, there's going to be a 90 percent die-off. I also will that the over that Jeepguy is not on top of the heap.

The more likely scenario is a severe economic depression with a long slow decline in the reliability of supply chains, utilities and governmental assistance/services. In this situation, standby generators (propane), gardens/chickens/food preservation, being able to defend one's home from petty crime/home invasion, having a strong network of family/friends is the way you get through it. This is the situation I prep for as the SHTF scenario means that most of us are going to be gone anyway.
Bearcubs9497
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Reloading.

Better have more than one manual; at least 3 so that data can be cross-referenced, compared. Manuals don't always agree on charge weights. Additionally, manuals don't come close to covering every single charge weight, bullet weight, case, OAL, and primer for any one cartridge. Having 3 or more manuals on hand allows one to get a good general idea on where to start when developing a load.

Also, case cleaning is easy. Cases don't have to be shiny, they just have to be clean. Simply use soap, water, and have some method to agitate so that the crud comes off. Then air dry. Takes longer than using a tumbler, and brass will definitely not be shiny, but they'll be clean.

Another thing, anyone just now getting into reloading is going to pay through the nose for components, especially primers. Primers have jumped in price since March. Last I checked, 1K primers (LP, SP, LR, SR, etc) are going for at least 35 bucks. I've seen prices at close to 50. That doesn't really matter, though, because, generally, every online store is pretty much sold out of primers.

Magazines and parts (springs, extractors, ejectors, etc). Get them. Get lots of them. If possible, because, like everything else gun related, ****'s scarce.
Bearcubs9497
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@Jeepguy

Rifle cases tend to become garbage after a while; very dependent on the load. I've got 30-06 brass on their 7th reload. How? Easy, I don't dump a ****tastic amount of powder in my loads.

Pistol brass lasts forever. Especially 45 ACP brass.
Redjack
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Jeepguy

So you plan is to die. Got it. All hopeless. Got it.

My plans might have about a 10 to 25% chance of success, but I have some plans. G
Get out of walking distance of large cities.
Have basic 1st aid training.
Planting, animal husbandry, and butchering skills.
Small core of people I trust.

Well it stop the hoards? No. But if things go right I won't have to. If they don't, no amount of planning will work. Goal is to have layers of preps. Freezers are not bad, but don't rely on them solely. Dogs are another mouth to feed, but they do provide some comfort and work too.
M1919a2
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Prayer for The United States of America
Composed by His Excellency
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan

Almighty and Eternal God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords: graciously
turn your gaze to us who invoke You with confidence.

Bless us, citizens of the United States of America; grant peace and
prosperity to our Nation; illuminate those who govern us so that they may
commit themselves to the common good, in respect for Your holy Law.
Protect those who, defending the inviolable principles of the Natural Law
and Your Commandments, must face the repeated assaults of the Enemy
of the human race.

Keep in the hearts of Your children courage for the truth, love for virtue
and perseverance in the midst of trials.

Make our families grow in the example that Our Lord has given us, together
with His Most Holy Mother and Saint Joseph in the home of Nazareth;
give to our fathers and mothers the gift of Strength, to educate wisely the
children with which you have blessed them.

Give courage to those who, in spiritual combat, fight the good fight as
soldiers of Christ against the furious forces of the children of darkness.
Keep each one of us, O Lord, in your Most Sacred Heart, and above all
He whom Your Providence has placed at the head of our Nation.

Bless the President of the United States of America, so that aware of his
responsibility and his duties, he may be a knight of justice, a defender of
the oppressed, a firm bulwark against Your enemies, and a proud
supporter of the children of light.

Place the United States of America and the whole world under the mantle
of the Queen of Victories, our Unconquered Leader in battle, the
Immaculate Conception. It is thanks to her, and through your Mercy, that
the hymn of praise rises to you, O Lord, from the children whom you have
redeemed in the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Robodog
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To whom it may comcern:

"No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force." - Helmuth von Moltke, the Elder

or

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Mike Tyson

or my favorite:

You want to make God laugh? Tell him your plans.

I prefer planning my work & working my plan, but the foregoing isn't saying don't plan, rather be resilient.

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Jc3
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South Texas 93 miles from Houston
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@Horseyhefler Which brand and model freeze dryer do you have? We are looking to get one ASAP to supplement our stored stock.

Thanks!
Jeepguy
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Ohio
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@Greenacr no where ever did I ever state a percentage of the die off rate!! I also never said that I was hoping for a percentage nor the scenario at all!

My whole point is if you go out at like some suburbanite City jackass then you won't last long!!

You must listen as much as possible at all times and the easiest way to hear what's going on around you is too plainly shut the **** up!!

I should know an individual with one eye I rely on hearing I have actually exceptional hearing and I can tell you when something isn't right and it's at a place in someone's there that shouldn't be there!

I'm trying to tell you plainly that the idiots that are in the most danger even during the common power outage where you get some thieves that run around and wish to Rob and steal...

are your typical middle-class types that don't actually cut their own firewood they buy their firewood...

We also refer to them as grass Farmers as in they don't grow anything to eat they just maintain a lawn like a ****ing idiot!!

how strategic do you think that they're going to think? and you have to think strategically and yes it is impossible to think of everything you can't plan it necessarily because well you don't really know a who the **** scum and how many and what direction they're coming from and what their actual motive would be!!

so technically at the end of it all I really do agree with you is it most of the people on this form or basically ****ing dad if that happens mostly because I know for a fact you cannot stay awake 24/7 365 you also can't see a hundred eighty degrees around you at all times you're going to need help and if you don't have that help and if that help is specifically unreliable and very uncooperative and is emotionally charged then you're ****ing dead!!
Greenacr
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@ Jeepguy

I used the 90 percent die-off figure from some of the literature I have read regarding what happens if we do have the grid down, SHTF, mad max scenario. Did not mean to attribute that to you.

Think about it, Grid down/SHTF.....all folks in nursing homes, ICUs, critical care, diabetics on insulin, there are other categories......dead in 30 days.

Compromised individuals, folks affected by dirty/lack of water, disease, some killed by the mobs, etc...... dead in 60 days.

Folks affected by malnutrition/starvation, Disease, violence........ dead in 120 days.

One year later....... 10 percent left.

M1919a2
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@Tickerguy

Watch this and you decide!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti....

Answers lotsa questions!
Jeepguy
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Ohio
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@Redjack
Is there some sort of
anti comprehension 19 virus I don't know about?

Lol I never said I was plotting to die, I've never said that anyone is plotting to die, in fact my strategy of staying as quiet as possible, as undetectable as possible, is all part of trying to stay the **** alive!!

But a lot of that really depends on where you are who is around you what resources you currently have on hand what resources you could obtain from essentially the Earth around you...

a lot of that depends on are you within reasonable walking distance of city as in are you within two to five miles of a city are you 15 to 20 miles out of a city particularly a big city...

The distance from said City big or small the area you're located out is it the easiest path out of that City or is it the challenging route out of that City in terms of is it a lot of hill climbing to get to where you are? long stretches of road with virtually say no shade? and the reason why I do throw these things out is because yeah well there's a lot of fat asses and indoor types coming out of the city!!

So another words the more distance that you can put between you and the City the harder it would be to navigate those roads on foot the better off you probably are because the slower they're moving the better the chance you and your community have of seeing them coming!!

You have to think about the outskirts of your area not just your said property!

The problem is if people around you don't want to partake in said community protection plan or neighborhood watch whatever the hell you care to call it then okay they're going to be lone Wolf so just do your best to work around that yeah might be a good idea to keep an eye on over your shoulder!!

So no it's not exactly Doom and gloom in fact it's actually very positive wants you put away cognitive dissonance and see it for what it is it's a survival plan but it's a survival plan that's adaptable to those around you it's keeping them in mind it's something that everyone can get involved in!

And by neighbor I don't necessarily mean 30 foot over the property line and I don't necessarily mean even 400 yards from your property line...

And a lot of hair is your nearest neighbor could literally be a mile away your nearest Ally I can literally be a mile to five miles away and you have folks that you don't get along with very well living in that distance between point A to point B!!

I mean they're can literally do challenges around every corner...

It just seriously doesn't hurt to set on your front or your back porch in the evening possibly enjoy a couple of beverages maybe think up a couple of snares and take a look and study your scenery and see how you can make it apply yeah I agree it sounds pretty fantasy like but wouldn't you rather at least give it a shot thinking about it then Sunday be faced with a scenario that you didn't even think about the lay of the land you didn't think about your possible exits from the property you didn't think about your possible cover...

I mean to basically sit on your ass and not think about anything is what's negative that's actually pretty much planning to die!!

and of course as far as the economic stuff yeah I agree chances are the stock market will drag its balls for the next God only knows 10 to 30 years he really cares..

of course a lot of that crap really just depends on whether or not the public-at-large spend the next pick a number whatever amount of years pursuing money and whether or not the cashier still accepts it because we know it's already Monopoly money and next it's going straight to dog**** so what the **** is anybody's motivation and for that matter what the hell really is any corporations motivations really do anything I think we're really honestly coming to the end of that rope!!

like it or not there is one hell of a big movement to get back to the farm to get back to the garden to get back to nature to basically tell industry to go blow goats...

By industry I'm not exactly talking about the folks who make the tractors I'm more so talking about per say Google Twitter Microsoft a lot of your tech companies that also happen to be technocratic...

Truth of it is is when you get a mass Exodus of people from this life that has existed for go over 130 years for argument's sake... that system and the old guards if that system will do everything they possibly can to uphold it and if that means that they'll even attempt to enslave the people then they're going to ****ing try and do it...

people want to work they just don't want to a live at the ****ing factory or the job at Large and yes it's true that they would like the maximum pay yes I understand bottom lines and all of that stuff but I also understand that everybody's trying to get the maximum that they can possibly get and they're get in the workforce a few generations have totally played that system for their again close to a hundred and thirty years taking in great-grandparents the WW2 generation the boomers the Gen xers and now the millennials...

I'd say but now everybody's birth to hell out on it wouldn't you I mean how ****ing long can you really expect people to just continuously repeat and repeat and repeat that life because it's all we really do it we're basically paying the same ****ing utilities that our great-grandparents paid will working basically the same jobs I mean alright we might have some technical assistants on the job he a couple of computers or whatnot so some of the equipment has improved but the reality of it is, is it's still the same ****ing job...


We're living in the same apartment buildings and or houses primarily...

So we got a few electronic gizmos and gadgets so we have a better toaster and we've got a bigger television big ****ing deal because what are we really getting out of it personally I'm ready to throw this garbage away and just go to the ****ing woods where I belong I don't really see the point in pursuing half of this ****ing crap what good is it really I mean I've seen him die when they're sixteen I've seen people croak when they're 40 I've seen people have one health problem that kicks him in the ass by the time they're 45 and then they spend the next thirty years bitching that they can't have salt or sugar and their living via the ****ing doctor is their God and their paranoid as ****!!

Far as I am concerned I don't really give a **** do what you want to do... I didn't tell everyone to falcon put me here I certainly didn't tell everyone to make up all the spoofee bull**** before I ended up here on planet Earth it's you know not my ****ing problem...

You wanted negativity you got it...
all of that said yeah I still happen to care that's technically why I'm so pissed off I care but I'm having a little trouble understanding standing why what's the point if you can never actually get anywhere the way you can make all of those worries ****ing go away what's the point you'd might as well literally just go on a camping trip and never ****ing come back!!

we all cook at some point what's the point what do I give a **** if JCPenney lasts another hundred and thirty years what do I really give a ****??

I'm not negative I'm a realist I realized that I'm going to pop and cork someday and I'm not super certain that I want to be 86 years old and sitting in a nursing home or much like my grandmother's case she was terrified of nursing homes ever since she saw my great-grandmother go there in the early 90s but none the less unfortunately my grandmother ended up in a nursing home and then she died there when she was 90!!

I'm not even positive I want to be 65 years old polishing a ****ing Buick talking about how salt and sugar kicks my ass and then I've got to run a plastic toothpick tube arrangement up my dick so I can take a ****ing leak!

does anyone want to grow give me the rundown on what my ****ing motivation out of be? I'd love to hear it!!

Let me let me guess I guess the idea is is I'm supposed to suck it because older people dad talk **** if that's your opinion and the reason being is because well you guys were actually allowed to partake we're not you got ****ing 77 year olds out there that take two part-time jobs even though they retired from a place that's paying their ass 2500 to $3,500 a month in retirement you got other motherfukers yeah they're only collecting 1200 to 1800 a month with their house payments hardly three ****ing hundred!!

I mean as long as elders won't get the **** out of the way then we are not going to actually be able to move up to get anywhere worth a **** and they're good knowing that we're going to croak someday we really don't care we'll just sort of wait around or coast through or whatever it is we've got to do!!

You can bet your ass good if I'm thinking that way no matter how ridiculous you think I am you can bet that if the guy that you currently think is ridiculous is thinking that way there's probably roughly another 10 million office possibly in your state alone...

It doesn't mean that we're harmful it doesn't mean to wear any more of a threat than anyone else but what it does technically mean is that society at large is literally not just frustrated not just pissed off they literally losing interest the system is not just dying economically or through crooked economics it's dying socially the society itself is collapsing as what I'm trying to tell you if you didn't already get that!


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M1919a2 - saw and added to my prayers yesterday.
Jeepguy
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@Robodog

I am just being a dick, but...

We have a quote poster!!

Do you also recite work ethic propaganda at parties perhaps family gatherings?

you know they stereotypical pro work ethic stories it's usually about an aunt your dad or a great-grandfather if not just a grandfather....

and it's all about how they ended up with world poisoning on their feet and it ****ing swollen in their boots and they were so gung-ho about work that they were retarded enough to cut the tongue out of their Boot and go to work anyway cuz they didn't want to pay the doctor blah blah blah blah bull****!!

I'm serious the people that spew that crap it's literally the same story!!

Or are you also the type that offers that miniature lecturers well you dick wag and brag about how you have a job and come off as if you're the only mother ****er who does or has ever had one?

I'm sure you're familiar with the type..
Everywhere they go family Guy the ring they bump into a buddy at a store they stop by your house to pick up something wherever they go it doesn't really matter...
The bottom line is everywhere they go they've always got to mention that they were either at work a little bit ago or they're going to work or work this work that work work work work work is literally every other word...

they go out of their way to purposely sound off that they have a job they've got to make sure that everyone within a twenty ****ing mile radius knows that they work!!

(I WORK) Is their favorite saying! These people act like they ought to have a badge and some sort of an award!!

and their work related stories are usually total bull**** it's all about how they're the only one that really does anything... And or they always tend to come up with the funniest of jokes or scenarios about work...

But you want to know what's real funny is it's those folks that are freaking out right now the most you see they are the sheep!

oh they're so dependent upon corporations they're so dependent upon well the system at large oh my God they don't know what to do the slightest thing breaks and these people are ****in screwed!!

They're also the quote types...
do you have a pick up the daily dose of mentality from quotes and then they either share them they'll print amount post them everywhere but they have to have their quotes in fact they just love saying the word quote!!

Okay I'm done being a dick!!
Redjack
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I used to clean brass by hand when I first started reloading.

Slow weekends in the winter were spent at the sink with soap and Lemoshine if I remember right. A quick brush inside, rinse, and line dry.

Hell I used a Lee trimmer by hand to. No power for anything, because I didn't have the coin for it.

Still have most of that stuff. And about 8 manuals. I do not trust online data as it is to easy to manipulate.

Might do a few hundred rounds old school just to see if I can. My old balance scale was as good as my NIST scale a while back, I will have to double check it, but it will work.

Happy memories of younger and simpler days.
Frat
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@Greenacr

I've read a LOT of Doom Porn, EMP/Grid Down/TEOTWAWKI stuff, and there a LOT of variables to get us to that 90%. It's absolutely a possibility, but I don't think we're nearly as likely to see that many go in the first year. Now, 50%? Abso-****ing-lutely, just by your initial die-offs and the resulting civil strife. The real deciding factor is going to be more how PEOPLE respond than government. We already know government will do the exact worst thing at the worst possible time; it's inevitable as they'll still be pandering for their jobs and thinking about appeasing the masses. I'm not sure who said it above, but I agree: unfortunately, even if it's "only" 50%, way too large a portion of our friends here will be among them.

My parents will be; my in-laws (even on the farm) are likely to be (too close to a major metro along a main line of egress from said ****hole), and unless I'm very damn good - and lucky - my family and I may get a 50/50 chance. That... comes back to me (and someone like yourself, incidentally). How mentally prepared for a grid-down Mad Max scenario are you personally? I'd like to think I would not hesitate in the slightest to pop caps in *******s attempting to hurt my family, but won't really know until the time (God forbid) hits us. I have a large circle of "friends," but a decent tighter circle of people who I would trust with my life and that of my family's. Too small, honestly, but that's how it has to be. I just had a similar conversation on FB when one of said people posted a meme referring to something like that. "Everyone has resources, skills and deficits. If the latter outweighs the first two, you are dead ****ing weight and will be treated as such." It's sad to rank friends that way, but waaaaaay too many of them have neither the skills nor the resources, and are just as heavy on the deficits side.

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We're ****ed. Where's Henry Bowman when you need him?
M1919a2
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For the wise listen and the fool blathers as a cymbal!

but these are REAL quotes:

The heart of a fool is in his mouth, but the mouth of a wise man is in his heart.
Benjamin Franklin

Wise men dont need advice. Fools wont take it.
Benjamin Franklin
Steelpiston71
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I agree with Greenacr.

What Jeep is saying, although passionate, is way beyond overthinking.

If you are found or sighted, you are dead. That's pretty simple. In order to not be dead if found or sighted, you must kill said person(s) and dispose of the bodies quickly, clean up said mess (You don't want brain matter on your lawn with buzzards all around for the next passerby to observe), all without being seen.

You would need berms or lack of sight lines for the entire perimeter of your location. You not only can't be seen gardening, you can't have anyone see what looks like a kept garden.

How about snow? What happens to 3 feet of snow around the perimeter of your homestead when you are 'stealthily' using wood at night? Tends to melt some, lol. Someone cases your house and sees a lack of snow around the foundation, and you've been had. That person(s) must now be killed too. Better be quiet while doing that as well.

I could go on and on. We've had this discussion before. The largest group with the most ammo will have the superior advantage. There is generally only 1 group at the absolute top. If there were a 'tie', then it would come down to a mutual agreement or tactical supremacy of one group over the other.

The odds that any of us will be in that group are south of zero.

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Yep.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 50,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
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Off topic, the twitter hack is amusing. Im hoping they also got all the DMs and release them all. Couldnt happen to a better company.
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Just to clarify, my decision to purchase a second freezer has more to do with stocking up ahead of mask mandates and avoiding the cities and box stores for the next several months. It also allows greater flexibility with my pig breeding and butcher program. If I can sell excess piglets or butchered pigs it won't be an issue. For peace of mind I know I have extra room for unsold or misbehaving pigs. For more dire scenarios I do have a decent stock of canned food; I also like the idea of investing in a freeze dryer and am also interested in Horseyhefler's experience. I doubt I am in any position to survive maximum SHTF levels and I'm at peace with that. Glad some of you are discussing critically and that Karl provides this forum to do so.
Smacktle
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Texas
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I just read through all this and what a depressing thread AND I've read all this **** before. At least we know who the smartest guy in the room is.

Back in 2009 I went off the deep end, read everything I could find. That's how I found this place. Prepped like crazy and spent a lot of money on stuff I've had to throw away because it got to old. At least now I know what to buy and keep. If you can reload ammo, more power to you. I don't have the patience or the financial resources to learn how to do it. If I actually run out of ammo, there are going to be a lot of holes somewhere lol.

If the power goes out, we are ****ed plain and simple. While I may try to live for a while here in South Texas without A/C, what will probably happen is I will find the nearest group of people that are pissing me off the most and go out in a blaze of glory.

If the power stays on, while it may not be the most comfortable situation, I like my odds.

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Steelpiston71
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Michigan
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Thumbs up @smacktle.

One thing I didn't mention is the homestead lawn. You can't mow or water it ever again. That leads to some combination of dirt (This year especially, sun beating down at 95 with no water or morning dew for 10 days) OR a jungle complete with gazillions of grasshoppers, ants, mice, snakes, all wanting to get into the tiniest crevice of your homestead, and when they do...

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Horseyhefler
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@JC3, Harvest Right, the medium sized. A small family owned business, they've been super busy and have long wait times due to the fake Covid. Some Home Depot stores carry them. Some are for sale by owner in various areas around the country. Many seem to sell due to lack of time, intimidated by the machine (it's quite simple, the machine does everything), or other personal reasons. Many of the ones I've seen for sale have never been used, or used less then 10 times.
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Washington
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This is going to get interesting and FAST!

Defund police, well you asked for it! Breitbart article from a WOKE community -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/....
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