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Frieza: Good points. And yes, it's fun.

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If Donald J. Trump did this, or that, or something else, or maybe JUST THIS



If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: Hold on;

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Rudyard Kipling
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So is the Illuminati, Bill Gates, the United Nations and Agenda 21 paying off the Texas Medical Center to shove people in hospital beds?

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/....

The truth is, that yes, only 20% of the people ever will develop Covid either symptomatic or asymptomatic, and of that, only a small percentage are going to die.

Last time I worked out the numbers it was about 600,000 in the US maximum, assuming it could be optimally transmitted, stayed long resident in an environment by whatever means. I don't think we will get there if 80% of the people can't actually get infected, however my concern is that we don't know what we don't know.

What we do know how is apparently Arizona just went through a huge uptick and finally started trending down. Texas has had massive flare up and so has Florida, two States that decided to be laissez-faire about their handling of the situation...that worked out just as well for them as massive Lockdowns in Liberal States.

This idea that we will get it, either die or recover seems overly, childishly optimistic with no evidence either way.

We have seen evidence in two separate studies of persistent lung changes among the asymptomatic, 80% of all asymptomatic in one and 100% in another.

Go Google it them.

We don't know if this lung damage will ever clear, if it will lead to early emphysema or legionnaires like symptoms or something worse or nothing at all, but if we run the risk of 20% of the entire population developing emphysema in 5 or 10 years because of asymptomatic...that is going to be a massive kick to the balls, far worse than wearing a ****ing mask what we've had to deal with Lockdowns.

This cavalier attitude has cost us and may very well cost us the ****ing farm if we are not prudent.

Its not living in fear or giving up our way of life to be prudent or cautious, and it isn't some ******n conspiracy theory. Lung damage is hard to clear, worse if it is blood clots in the avoli.

I think, if is even a small chance where we face a future where 1 in 5 of all Americans could be disabled before they even make it to their geriatric before covid could kill them, we ought to stop and think about what that future could look like before we decide to just ignore the data.
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Look SCREAMING KAREN, er, @Orangemanbadeh , I'm tired of your ****.

The SCIENCE is undisputed. We have studied respiratory viruses for decades. We have looked at Asia, we have looked at third world nations, we have looked at western nations. We have looked at all manner of these viruses and tried to find answers to transmission BECAUSE THEY ****ING KILL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS EVERY ****ING YEAR.

The science has been conclusive and UNANIMOUS -- MASKS IN THE GENERAL POPULATION DO NOT WORK. THEY DO NOT WORK ANYWHERE. NOT HERE. NOT IN JAPAN. NOT IN SOUTH KOREA. NOWHERE. PERIOD.

They don't work because they CAN'T work. Viruses are too small. Short of a powered breathing apparatus or filtered bottled air (e.g. scuba or SCBA style tanks) FORGET IT.

We KNOW why aerosol-transmitted respiratory viruses are less prevalent in the summer months. There are two reasons: The ABSOLUTE (not relative) humidity inversely correlates with transmission efficiency, and UV-C exposure, which is in sunlight, kills viruses almost immediately. ABSOLUTE humidity is MUCH lower in the winter months than in the summer ones and of course people are outdoors and UV exposure, plus air supply turnover, makes it VERY hard to transmit. In addition HVAC systems in the summer condense out a HUGE percentage of the aerosol (water) on the HVAC coils and with it the viral particles transported in same, which then go down the drain. In winter if anything at all is done it's the opposite; we intentionally put humidity into the air.

AGAIN: WE KNOW MASKS DON'T WORK TO STOP RESPIRATORY VIRUS TRANSMISSION. WE'VE STUDIED THIS FOR **DECADES**. THIS IS WHY WE DO NOT RECOMMEND PEOPLE WEAR THEM ALL THE TIME DURING FLU SEASON - THEY DO NOTHING.

Further, this ******ned "social distancing" bull**** WAS A 15 YEAR OLD'S SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT. It was never replicated, it was never actually studied, it never went through peer review IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BALD ASSERTION WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

What we know DOES work is washing hands with soap and water on a frequent basis, because a LARGE part of the time the transmission is not aerosol, it is MANUAL. Sanitizers DO NOT WORK because they take too long to get through the lipid viral coat and evaporate before they can. Soap and water works because it very rapidly destroys the lipid coat and mechanically flushes virus that evades that fate down the drain. Again, the science on this is CONCLUSIVE.

We do not know what long-term consequences of Covid may be present. What we DO know is that we can detect the people who get a thrombus-based disease IMMEDIATELY on presentation and the test is CHEAP -- under $20. We know how to treat those diseases too, because this is not the first sort of clotting disorder disease to show up in the annuals of medicine.

INSTEAD OF SCREAMING ABOUT MASKS, BITCH, WHICH DO NOTHING, WHY NOT GO AFTER THE CAUSE OF THE SERIOUS AND FATAL CASES?

That might ACTUALLY make a difference. While there's no guarantee that sure as **** beats SCREAMING LIKE A ******NED HORSEDICK IS UP YOUR ASS about something we KNOW does not work.

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Its not living in fear or giving up our way of life to be prudent or cautious, and it isn't some ******n conspiracy theory.

IT IS NOT PRUDENT TO DO SOMETHING THAT DECADES OF SCIENCE SAYS HAS NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER AND IN FACT MIGHT BE HARMFUL BY BECOMING A RESERVOIR FROM WHICH YOU CAN MANUALLY SPREAD THE BUG.

**** YOU BITCH MY ANSWER IS **NO** -- I AM NOT GOING TO INCREASE RATHER THAN DECREASE MY PERSONAL RISK AND THE SCIENCE ON THIS IS CONCLUSIVE!

**** NO, **** THAT AND **** YOU.

Second, as I have pointed out SINCE FEBRUARY the evidence is that this bug is not spread, majority, via aerosols. If it was then transmission would basically CEASE once we got into the summer. It didn't and we knew this was going to be trouble early on because in places where it was ALREADY hot and humid they had big problems.

SINCE THE UV, HUMIDITY AND DILUTION THROUGH AIR EXCHANGE ARE ALL IMMUTABLE FACTS THE LACK OF SUPPRESSION OF TRANSMISSION IN THE SUMMER MEANS YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT BY SOMEONE BREATHING IN YOUR VICINITY JACKASS!

The absence of correlation IS PROOF THAT CAUSATION DOES NOT EXIST!

You are a ****ing virute-signalling SCREAMING KAREN and the only reason I let your post through is that THIS BULL**** NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS THE REASON WE ARE BEING DRIVEN TO DO THING THAT ARE AT BEST WORTHLESS AND MAY MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE INSTEAD OF WORKING ON FINDING AND TREATING THOSE WHO ARE LIKELY TO HAVE SEVERE OR FATAL OUTCOMES **EARLY** AND MITIGATING THE DAMAGE, WHICH WE KNOW HOW TO DO.


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AGAIN: WE KNOW MASKS DON'T WORK TO STOP RESPIRATORY VIRUS TRANSMISSION. WE'VE STUDIED THIS FOR **DECADES**. THIS IS WHY WE DO NOT RECOMMEND PEOPLE WEAR THEM ALL THE TIME DURING FLU SEASON - THEY DO NOTHING.


I believe this is the moneyshot on Karl's post above. IF masks actually worked as the virtue signalers would have us believe... it would have been suggested during every flu season. Since it's not, you can get some oral-fecal transfer when you kiss my ass.

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Where did I say, not to socially isolate the high risk? Or where did I say NOT to use the best, latest treatment protocols?

I have said repeatedly to use the science...and not to buy in to some Georgia Guidestone bull**** that Bill Gates is somehow planning in killing billions of people when he has already saved like half a billion lives through his other efforts.

As far as masks go, where are places that are having upticks now? Primarily places that didn't adopt them. That is is fact.

I know, correlation does not imply causation but you have the ****ing data set of the entire ******n world with Thailand and Vietnam and South Korea and every other place where they have done ubiquitous mask usage...and it most of those places they don't have ****ing proper indoor plumbing or good sanitation standards...

The one point that I will concede is that not using disposable masks is ****ing stupid...reusing over and over again a cloth one isn't going to be sanitary, and lo and behold all the places in the world where there leadership did not admit to tell a noble lies about masks not being effective but instead encourage ubiquitous disposable mask usage have not had the problems that we've had...

Those are facts are CDC and our doctor fell she flat-out admitted that they lied to us telling us the lies that we tell the children and the noble lie that masks didn't work that specifically to conserve the supplies for First responders.

Now you and I can argue about the percentage of effectiveness all we want...that is a valid scientific and rational argument that there is not I 100% or maybe even an 80 or 50% effectiveness given the micron and diameter of the matter we are talking about, but that is not the same thing as saying that they don't help at all and really irrelevant to the larger point that I was making.

You ignore the point I make about asymptomatic perhaps not being as asymptomatic as we thought and that may end up being a big problem, not today, maybe not tomorrow but five or ten years from now, one that may cost us a whole hell of a lot more than we bargained for.

Engaging in quasi-intellectual masturbation about some vast conspiracy theories of the Illuminati or giving people like Fauci a pass after he already lied to us once about the ****ing mask usage, I would think, an honest examination of the lies they told us before should he pretty revealing even if they don't agree with our preconceived notions.
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It's called Completist Fallacy...you appear to be arguing and I could be wrong about this... that if masks are not 100% effective and they should not be used at all or I've been saying that even if they are 20% effective it may behove us to use them.

I am arguing for erring on the side of caution rather than engaging in a completist fallacy.
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You can bet those protestors washed their hands.

Who has immunity? I suspect people who spend a lot of time around people over a period of years. Old people? who gets out a lot? I have had a lot of social exposure over a lot of years. Rare flu, if any. Others get it every year.

Why has the truth been suppressed. I just had an hour discussion with a tenant. She said she heard the warning about flushing toilets about a week ago. How long ago was that discussed here? Protestors with **** on their hands might be a problem, don't you think?

How many people got CV19 in Texas and other places before it blew up? What worries me is the test positive percentages, not the numbers. Are they testing select pools of people? Are the hospitals capturing patients, like they did in NYC? We don't know what is real and what is political.

Here is an important video the left wing social media outfits suppressed.

https://video.parler.com/ZX/UR/ZXURZXsep....

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They don't work AT ALL.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002....

RCT - the gold standard -- says THEY DO NOT WORK EVEN WHEN WORN BY TRAINED MEDICAL PERSONNEL.

Study wrote..
Conclusion: Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Respiratory viruses, and about a third of colds are CORONAVIRUSES.

This is one of a CRAP TON of said studies and this one was an RCT. The literature is full of this evidence.

It's not called "Completist Fallacy"; it's called THE ******NED THINGS ARE WORTHLESS.

You're arguing for giving cancer patients ****ing Laetrile here.

Further, physics says they should be worthless because the pore size in an N95, say much less a surgical mask or bandana, exceeds that of the viron and carrier AND there are enough virons in ONE carrier to produce infection (>MIL). Therefore on the physics there is no expectation of them working and RCTs say they don't.

You're arguing for something that lacks both physics AND, what's worse, that multiple RCTs, the GOLD STANDARD when it comes to medicine, have DISPROVED.

The Surgeon General's original statement -- that masks DO NOT inhibit transmission of respiratory viruses -- was the truth. So says a VERY LARGE body of evidence including both multiple RCTs AND physics.

Incidentally what has ALSO been disproved is that this is PRIMARILY an aerosol-transmitted virus. CAN it be transmitted that way? I'm sure it can be. But if that was the PRIMARY route of transmission then we'd see damn near NOTHING right now in the middle of the summer, and the outbreaks we saw in HOT places in February and March would not have happened. We now know WHY that is too; that was proved about 10 years ago with an absolute humidity hypothesis that wound up being a near-EXACT fit.

That the transmission rate has NOT been materially impacted for THIS bug means that's not how it's being spread. In short, THIS bug is primarily spread manually, NOT through aerosols. A mask does NOTHING to attenuate manual spread and in fact likely concentrates the risk because you are more-compelled to touch your facial area rather than less!

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The user formerly known as Amused wrote..
We don't know if this lung damage will ever clear, if it will lead to early emphysema or legionnaires like symptoms or something worse or nothing at all, but if we run the risk of 20% of the entire population developing emphysema in 5 or 10 years because of asymptomatic...that is going to be a massive kick to the balls, far worse than wearing a ****ing mask what we've had to deal with Lockdowns.

Where are you going with this? Even if you believe that masks and lockdowns help, they obviously don't work 100%. The best you could hope for would be to delay these infections by a few years. You still wind up with the same 20% doomsday scenario in the end. What's the difference?
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@OMB

You seem to have developed a reflexive rejection of things in Tickers.

Back months ago I independently read a publication about the healthcare system in South Korea. They decided to act like scientists, focusing on what was real, what produced measurable results. They started observing, making changes, and collecting data.

They found if you were in the room with a Covid infected person, wearing masks did not make a statistical difference in nosocomial infection. As Tickerguy has said repeatedly, what made a difference was washing with soap and water, before entering the room, when leaving the room, and whenever contacting a surface which might be contaminated.

Take a little time next time you're out and watch individuals wearing masks for a length of time. I've done so, and with most people in a short time you'll notice actions which could infect themselves or others. If you watch nearly anyone for an extended time, it's nearly guaranteed they'll mess up at some point. I've been training myself for years to avoid certain actions, but even then I catch myself once in a while, and I'm probably doing more than I realize. Nearly all of my coworkers at the hospital whom I've observed? Forget it.

Let's not even talk about untrained people wearing gloves. OMG, it's like they think the gloves destroy any microbes they touch with them. Actions which spread contamination everywhere are rampant.


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Found this in an unlikely place.

This would say Fauci and Co, and CDC, even WHO might be caught in another misdirection. Why am I not surprised.


https://inflation.us/content/media-lying....

Not a big surprise to think thresholds are set differently.

I am still digesting this and looking at other write ups on the cycle threshold to understand--

One thing about Karls posts-certainly very thought provoking--if you can keep up with him.
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Maybe the only way Trump could have changed this would have been to say, HCQ didn't work, you have to wear masks, you can't open your church, bar or barber shop. Hard to blame someone when the business of the media is telling lies.

There should be no more alarming thing than how bull**** is pushed as science and remedies are pushed away for disasters. They don't have any more proof of global warming than they do that moon rocks are made of Jello. The press ran with leaks of lies on Trump Russia for 3 years and even got literary prizes. it comes out Obama, Biden and the FBI made up the story and fed it to the press and crickets. There is probably more than enough information to put Joe Biden in prison for stealing, yet crickets. Let's make him President, so we can replace him with a communist or fascist. Don't let the truth out and anyone of authority that mentions is, get someone else to hammer them.

4 STRAIGHT ELECTIONS WE HAVE SEEN 2 KNOWN CROOKS AND A MYSTERY MAN NOMINATED BY THE DEMOCRATS FOR PRESIDENT. When you add Kerry, Gore and Bill Clinton, that makes 8. We could have a man elected who has lost his senses, because his candidacy is for the purpose of covering up crimes and to put an out of the blue woman in office.

All the good information I have found on this virus started with something Karl put on this site. It has been consistent and based on scientific evidence. Evidence isn't necessarily truth, but it beats the hell out of opinion. Trump takes HCQ and the response is, he is going to fall over dead any minute. Think a guy that smart is going to do something out of defiance, instead of sound evidence and thought? March to open up, you are a murderer. March to burn down the city and you are saint. Goebbels and Stalin couldn't have produced a stronger form of pushing lies. Before long, we will be told the moon is actually the sun and the sun is the moon and the idiots in the USA will swallow it.

WE ARE WATCHING THE ASSINATION OF WESTERN FREE THOUGHT AND SOCIETY It will be replaced with international fascism or communism and strict control, with all the brilliant ideas about society burned in the streets. We are being told to wait for something that isn't a remedy, so a few criminals can make a fortune, a vaccine. I hate to say it, but the time will come to kill these ****ers, submit to them or leave. Just where do you go and how do you get there?

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@Tickerguy
Well okay, it could be surface Based, however even if it is aerosol based I still say The masks are ****, because well, it's a dust mask it's not a virus mask!!

or even worse it's some half-assed make you feel better mask, made from curtain cloth you bought at Walmart!

The old show MythBusters, proved long ago that feces in the air, as in that smell you smell after you take a **** yeah, it's in the air because your **** is in the air, it can go through 4 layers of toilet paper to say the least! so I'm pretty positive curtain cloth and or a dust mask is not helping anyone!!
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It's odd that the CDC now says its unlikely to be transmitted on surfaces. One thing for sure is the lockdowns did not stop the spread and did not even change the curve much at all. When you look at the cruise ship outbreaks they look much like the outbreaks of noravirus cruise ships are famous for. The noravirus is most likely spread by the feces hands of the food service crew.

The politicians can oscillate madly between mandates, but the virus is going to run its course regardless.

Surface transmission blows contact tracing completely out. There's no need to have contact with the person that contaminated the surface. Everything surface touched, every place you ate at for the last so many days could be the source.
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Masks are not without their risks ...



Also, would you reuse a condom?

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Cincinnati Children's Hospital Covid vaccine trials ...

https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-....
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DR. ROBERT FRENCK LEADS THE STUDY ARM AT THE RESEARCH CENTER, HE SAYS THE TIMELINE TO A VACCINE IS LOOKING PROMISING. DR. FAUCI MENTIONED YESTERDAY THAT HE WAS CAUSTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE COULD BE A VACCINE READY BY EARLY NEXT YEAR. IM CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. >> I THINK ITS UNLIKELY THAT THEYLL BE ABLE TO FULLY LICENCE -- LICENSE A VACCINE UNTIL THIS TIME NEXT YEAR BUT WE COULD HAVE A VACCINE AVAILABLE BEFORE THEN. MEGAN: SO HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN? HE SAYS THE FDA HAS A ROUTE CALLED EXPANDED ACCESS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GET THE VACCINE EVEN BEFORE THE LICENCE IS OBTAINED. >> BY THE EXPANDED ACCESS WE COULD GO TO POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR EVEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BY THE END OF THE FALL.


And then theres this conflicting info which was in the news on the same day as Fraudschis CONgressional testimony:

https://today.duke.edu/2020/06/covid-19-....

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DURHAM, N.C. -- Speculation that a vaccine for COVID-19 might be widely available by the end of this year is overly optimistic, three Duke experts said Wednesday.

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On Friday's ZDogg MD Show Podcast, the host reported that Dr Michael Osterholm (one of the leading epidemiologist) in the country, is starting to believe that the virus is aerosolized which the only mask that could possibly provide protection is a N95. What this code for, is that Osterholm most likely does not want to confirm that it is aerosolized because they would completely undermine the official government narrative at this time. As Karl has said, good luck wearing a N95 mask for any length of time.

Here is an article about the origins of shutdowns and social distancing:
https://www.aier.org/article/the-2006-or....

This was brought to us during the W administration, it was based upon a high schooler's science project and neither of the doctors putting together the plan had any training in infectious disease or epidemiology. This nice observation from article:

That explains why Dr. D.A. Henderson, who had been the leader of the international effort to eradicate smallpox, completely rejected the whole scheme.
Says the NYT:
Dr. Henderson was convinced that it made no sense to force schools to close or public gatherings to stop. Teenagers would escape their homes to hang out at the mall. School lunch programs would close, and impoverished children would not have enough to eat. Hospital staffs would have a hard time going to work if their children were at home.
The measures embraced by Drs. Mecher and Hatchett would result in significant disruption of the social functioning of communities and result in possibly serious economic problems, Dr. Henderson wrote in his own academic paper responding to their ideas.
The answer, he insisted, was to tough it out: Let the pandemic spread, treat people who get sick and work quickly to develop a vaccine to prevent it from coming back.

To repeat, the leader to eradicate smallpox was opposed to this strategy!

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Lies and contradictions everywhere. Why? Because Covid is all about politics and agenda.

Need more proof? Peru and Brazil have near identical Covid death rates. But the media criticizes Brazil for not being "tough on Covid" and has sympathy for Peru because it has tried so hard to beat the virus.

'Perus president announced one of the earliest coronavirus lockdowns in Latin America in mid-March, and mobilized the army to enforce it. Yet, the impact of COVID-19 has been devastating."

But Brazil (and the US) they are reprobate.

"observers said there is no question that the US and Brazil - which account for nearly 40 percent of the world's total cases - are the most prominent failed states in the fight against the virus, and their incompetence threatens global social and economic recovery."

Remember, Peru & Brazil have a similar Covid death rate and Peru actually has a higher infection rate! But in the year 2020 the agenda is superior to facts and if the facts don't support the agenda the facts are simply ignored.

Lockdowns, masks, IFR, etc - what is the truth? You won't get it from a government paid official. You won't get it from media and persons committed to the government agenda.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/t....

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/11927....
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@Chromehill -
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On Friday's ZDogg MD Show Podcast, the host reported that Dr Michael Osterholm (one of the leading epidemiologist) in the country, is starting to believe that the virus is aerosolized which the only mask that could possibly provide protection is a N95. What this code for, is that Osterholm most likely does not want to confirm that it is aerosolized because they would completely undermine the official government narrative at this time. As Karl has said, good luck wearing a N95 mask for any length of time.

The problem with that thesis is that this while I'm sure it IS aerosolized in many cases it does not explain the lack of a delta in transmission efficiency linked to absolute humidity, and that was proved over a decade ago.

Therefore while I'm sure SOME transmission happens this way it is not the primary mechanism. The primary mechanism HAS TO BE manual -- that is, via your hands directly. This implicates fecal/oral since aerosol deposition is still controlled by the absolute humidity level and thus would be responsive to same -- but the observed rate of transmission of this virus is not.

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This warning label is 15 yrs old, long before the covid hysteria. Theres a reason thats on there. Its because it holds up in a court of law when some ambulance chasing piece of **** tries to spin up a false narrative like Karen is doing right now. A major driver in corporate virtue signaling is that they are not immune yet to these same ambulance chasing pieces of ****. Ie, I contracted covid because the cashier didnt have a shield or my employer mad me actually work for my paycheck. **** Karen.
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The reason that the authorities cannot acknowledge surface transmission is the highlighting of factors no one wishes to address.

I have said it before many times here even before this crisis.

Populations of people handling prepared food, defined as food which is not about to be subjected to cooking temperatures, are not routinely and in totality tested for communicable diseases. In other words some illegal immigrant working in a restaurant or food-take-out business might even with proper and personally good hygiene practices be a carrier for anything such as Hepatitis, Salmonella (documented to be spread by kitchen staff) and this newest thing. Let's imagine what other vulnerable venues where workers could be carriers. I'll give you one, licensed medical assistants. They work in private doctors offices and it is kind of a low-level certification good for an average intelligence immigrant.

Getting back to food service, during this crisis restaurants were still allowed to offer take-out and many did. Who works in their kitchens? I am sure that a lot of shut-ins were ordering food delivery, and now we can add in delivery personnel.

Why does not every state health department require that ALL personnel in a food establishment, all medical workers and those handling other transmission vectors be licensed, registered and tested on a quarterly basis for communicable diseases. In a crisis there could be an implied consent for immediate testing for a threat. This means that a health inspector walks into a place and demands the ID validated for testing from any employee present. The same could be required for packing plants or other critical infrastructure. Remember that this is not requiring a vaccine or treatment, only compliance to prove risk does not exist.

before anyone goes nuts with this i will let you know that some of the most lowly, scut work professions have some of the most arduous testing and compliance, personal experience here.

A personal friend who is a very professional nurse verifies for me that the major hospital where she works in my community refuses to test for antibodies defying common sense as they would then have to give people sick time for quarantine. This is why the state needs to force certain things; yes, there is a role for regulation, common sense kind. Most medical professionals will admit that the only way to keep control of staff stealing narcotics from patients is for such staff to be subject to mandatory, regular drug testing which we do not have. the problem is a big one. I know of documented cases where med staff were stealing pain medicine and replacing it with saline. The patients had a bad time until it was discovered what was going on.

Wanna know why all food service staff are not required to be licensed and registered at their places of work. This would be one of the biggest documentations of under-the-table employment ever. We allowed a huge risk to continue to cover up for an intractable problem. We should even apply the same to grocery stores of all sizes and local delicatessens which are major illegal employment in NYC.

All private healthcare aids should be required to do the same with a requirement that physicians report such situations to the health departments. Ends another problem of the underground economy.

This is why as a compromised individual i refused to eat out for decades. Only a very few places passed my standard since i got to know the owners and staff. same with touching public surfaces and shaking hands as they were strictly avoided by me. This used to be a part of social norms and evolved for a reason. People did not touch each other's flesh even across mild social lines. Trump used to get a lot of criticism regarding this in his previous life being called a germophobe. It is actually a form of self-respect, and having standards for oneself, not a bad idea.

The mask bull**** avoids acknowledging the the population risk vectors. If we accounted for every food service worker and other risk professions, it would require us to deal with the problems of illegal labor practices.

I have some photographs that are relevant to the discussion. The gallery upload says that they are too large. What is the size limit for upload, thanks.

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Gallery should accept images up to 2Mb or thereabouts.

The exact size is not determinable in advance because of the way they're actually transmitted and stored over the web is not a binary byte-wise copy but if you're under 2Mb per image they should go.

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Everything Karl says make sense, but when you google COVID fecal transmission or mask effectiveness against COVID...in both cases, there are dozens and dozens of stories, studies that all point to Karl being in the EXTREME minority.

Doesn't mean he's wrong of course.

But do we really live in a world now where everyone is lying and they are all lying in unison and with a similar message? I just have trouble comprehending how this could be.
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What studies? All of the science on masks, including multiple RCTs over two decades, say they're worthless against aerosol virus even when used by trained medical personnel!

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