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Riverrat10k
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Just wanted to say how good it is to see so many folks on here with few comments but old incept dates (like me).

Good to know how many are still reading this blog.

Karl, have you seen an increase in readership? Hope so.

Comforting to know at least a few folks "get it".

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Riverrat10k
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@Anderson
I hear they are counting this way in VA.

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My Dad is in a nursing home in Illinois. I think that he had this Corona Virus back in late March or very early April. He normally doesn't catch what is going around, but he got very sick in this time frame, and it quickly morphed into pneumonia, which they cured with antibiotics. I think that I caught it from him. One night I was feeling sort of sick, so I got myself some elderberry extract and some Pepto-Bismol, and by the next morning I was feeling great. They keep testing and retesting my Dad at that place, and the test is very unpleasant, they cram a large wad of cotton all the way up into to a person's sinuses, and since the Governor of Illinois is a Bolshevik, he bought all of those testing kits from the PRC. I suspect that those tests are of dubious validity, but if they would give my Dad an antibody test, it would show that he already had this bug.
Whitehat
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if we were facing two million deaths from this which we are DEFINITELY not, who cares. Out of the total population we are still not getting any nearer to the Georgia Guide Stones ideal number. Who dies? Outside of a few tragedies where the person has no obvious issues and gets a bad hand most are already compromised and of them most are BY THEIR OWN HANDS. Even if not by one's own hand where i could potentially find myself, still who ****ing cares; life often goes that way. People like me are not here to take from the future.

This whole concept of society having to bend to the needs of outsiders with unique problems specific to their own irresponsibility started with AIDS. All of this current crisis uses the same assumptions for the rest of society, language and expectations of sacrifice. Once AIDS got going we started getting programmed from that non-stop ever since. One hears it everyday that this and that must be done for "people with compromised immune systems." Forcing excessive stuff is a daily thing and passing on costs to the greater society openly stating that it is for this group in no uncertain terms. People are programmed. It is brilliant that they lump the druggies, wildly promiscuous homosexuals into "people with compromised immune systems." This is ****ing intentional. So people who might have a problem, like me, are the carriers of the ****ing lie that it is not the person's fault. This is why when it might come up that i am compromised i make it very clear that it is not HIV/AIDS nor that i am a ****-up. This is not something that i wish to do, but must to be an *******. People notice instantaneously, even if i am being polite and moderate, that i am drawing a distinct line between my situation and the human garbage and they do not like it, calling me out. They are informed forcefully, often rudely in whatever manner can be the most hurtful or vicious that this particular sample does not, did not and never took anything or inconvenienced society, an entity or individuals (quite the opposite) and that scum who do are not worthy of life, respect or money better spent on making life better for valuable people. My cruelty knows no bounds, often noting how many streets could be perfectly paved with the money saved from AIDS medications and other costly accommodations. I usually mock the seasonal, "People with compromised immune system," this and that bull****.

Ever notice how we tend to merge special rights, leech groups together, gays and the fat acceptance anyone. Seems like all of these groups find support in the same places. Funny that. Ever notice that the whole druggie thing got folded in to the gay/AIDS inc thing. I did.

Ever notice that all of the yearly pushes for the BS flu shot and even massively excessive vaccination was to protect "people with compromised immune systems?" You know like gays living on thousands of dollars in monthly Medicaid paid maintenance medications.

Karl rightly brings up how terrible the AIDS crisis was with nightly announcements of deaths. He mentions CA, but i would say that at least NYC was a major epicenter and political stronghold. We had to listen to this **** non-****ing-stop well into the early 2000s. Want to know why they did not close the bathhouses? Because it was an open admission that outside of a any potential medical intervention; this was a behaviorally created syndrome. Notice how it also affected druggies, another by-their-own-hand condition. Doing the logical thing said a special interest group was doing bad stuff. Could not have that. It was a psychological reaction that we could not say that people were making themselves sick and they got to deflect personal responsibility to the greater society. When people were dying, especially after one had the distaste of living in proximity to them, it was, "as you have sown, so shall you reap."

This COVID thing could have been the best wake-up-call to the fat slob crowd with the added benefit of thinning their numbers. We could have had the truest evidence that choices matter and acceptance is not the proper reaction to what is essentially mental illness. Funny, just like with dangerously excessive homosexuality and drug abuse. If you accept that you are a fat slob, there is something wrong with your mind/brain.

When people comment to me that this and that part of the economy or their own lives are suffering because of this current crisis, i point out if a subject is nearby or in concept this, "See that fat-slob over there. That's a piece of ****. That is what did this to you." Always willing to explain why.

Just like AIDS, other sickos foisted a massive cost on society because we have to protect them from themselves.

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Cincinnati Children's Hospital Covid vaccine trials ...

https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-....
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DR. ROBERT FRENCK LEADS THE STUDY ARM AT THE RESEARCH CENTER, HE SAYS THE TIMELINE TO A VACCINE IS LOOKING PROMISING. DR. FAUCI MENTIONED YESTERDAY THAT HE WAS CAUSTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE COULD BE A VACCINE READY BY EARLY NEXT YEAR. IM CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. >> I THINK ITS UNLIKELY THAT THEYLL BE ABLE TO FULLY LICENCE -- LICENSE A VACCINE UNTIL THIS TIME NEXT YEAR BUT WE COULD HAVE A VACCINE AVAILABLE BEFORE THEN. MEGAN: SO HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN? HE SAYS THE FDA HAS A ROUTE CALLED EXPANDED ACCESS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GET THE VACCINE EVEN BEFORE THE LICENCE IS OBTAINED. >> BY THE EXPANDED ACCESS WE COULD GO TO POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR EVEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BY THE END OF THE FALL.

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Be my guest. If it works as well as the last one they tried for a coronavirus in cats, well.....

Hint: It potentiated the virus instead of protecting against it and virtually every cat given the "vaccine" who was later infected DIED.

Remember, you can't sue a vaccine maker if they do this and nobody will be criminally charged either.

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Im confused: Are you saying that the lockdown in Illinois and elsewhere helped get herd immunity up higher? I thought isolation would inhibit herd immunity?
Macthor
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Birx opened her remarks yesterday with "We believe everybody is susceptible to infection."

They still don't seem willing to admit there is ANY cross-immunity.
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The lockdowns did exactly nothing.

The reason for the higher transmission is, primarily, population-density related, especially density in living units.

This is why it rips through meat-packing plants and such; there are 10 people living in a 1 bedroom apartment working in those places. Ditto for the NE corner of Arizona (two counties); both nearly all reservation land and full of high-density living conditions (e.g. 3 generations of family in a trailer), many without running water.

Whether you lock down or not changes nothing. Stockholm is the poster child for this and we know that the prevalence of infection that actually suppresses is about 20%. The problem is that this means R0, while it may be 3, is not facing a 100% susceptible population. We knew that in February due to Diamond Princess; even in a severe "overload" sort of situation where the usual dynamics of transmission inhibition were short-circuited there were multiple cases where only half as many people got it in an isolated unit as should have. That STRONGLY implies there's a roughly 50% cross-immunity from one or more factors. It doesn't matter what the factors are.

The fact is that there's nowhere that actual susceptibility has been shown to be materially over ~20% for this bug. Nowhere. And since a huge percentage of cases are asymptomatic and not caught be surveillance this means that once you get to about 2% of population in "reported" cases you've reached suppression levels and irrespective of what people do from that point forward while people WILL still get the bug the sort of "detonation-style" spikes can't happen any more.

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@Macthor -
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Birx opened her remarks yesterday with "We believe everybody is susceptible to infection."

They still don't seem willing to admit there is ANY cross-immunity.

Of course she did.

And she was known to be a liar on that point in February.

That Trump has allowed this outrage to continue, despite there being hard, documentary PROOF that it's bull****, is why he will AND DESERVES TO lose.

That the people of this nation ALLOW that sort of bald-faced, obvious and trivially-evident lie to be the predicate on which the entire nation is being rat****ed economically demonstrates conclusively that we, the people of this nation, no longer deserve a Republic, we're going to lose it, there is very likely to come from that an extraordinarily violent future in which an utterly-enormous percentage of the nation will die and it is all of our fault that we will not get off our ass and demand that this bull**** stop, with the willingness to enforce it by whatever means may be necessary if people like DeSATAN refuse.

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From the article above:

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"What we want to make sure we do is take an equitable approach to enrolling our communities of color into our vaccine trial and so we are making an additional investment, really taking the time to make sure we understand the needs to those communities,"


Karl wrote..
If it works as well as the last one they tried for a coronavirus in cats, well.....


So. If you take the BLM movement and combine the two things quoted above... Throw in a dash of psychopathy, blend well and add in a dash of ACTUAL racism, you could get a genocide like none we've seen since the neanderthals were wiped out.

So. About those epstein files. Who's running this show? The plot is getting pretty ****ing scary.

At the very least, it would make a hell of a book.

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Oh if this winds up being the case for that "vaccine" and they do that, plus essentially mandate that health care workers take it (as they do for some other things like the flu shot) the resulting destruction will be on a scale never before imagined.

The backlash from that might well start a civil war all on its own.

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Yeah, why **** around with boxcars and camps when they can just be exterminated with a vaccine.

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If there's a person or group orchestrating all this insanity going on, and it's not just an example of typical human socialization gone wrong... I don't think civil war would scare them a bit. It's definitely some form of revolution or coup anyway.

It's an interesting thought experiment to take for granted the existence of such a person or group and try to figure out where they would be trying to take us.

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Prepare for more mental gymnastics as areas below herd immunity may be showing a rise in cases correlated to the BLM protests at the beginning of June. But to support this argument one has to admit masks did not prevent infections - I recall being reminded over and over that the protesters were wearing masks and would be ok.

Of course what matters is deaths and hospitalizations. If those continue trending down then why the panic about infections? This is the insanity of the current health policy. Infection counts would be meaningful if collected in a standard, consistent manner. But they are not. Rather infection counts for too many states are simply propaganda.

I supported the right to protest, not riot, with or without masks. As long as the participant does not live with or have work responsibility for seriously ill people then they should exercise their freedom according to their conscience, and not the dictates of government. The allowance of government to restrict the behavior of healthy people because they may start a chain reaction that kills granny is totalitarianism. It is even worse when the government officials deliberately killed granny and they will face no personal accountability.

The time has come for American officials to acknowledge that we must simply learn to live with the virus and with some level of ongoing infections and deaths. We are not going to have exponential growth. But we are also not going to eradicate the bug.
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Hmmm ...

Seems Microsoft has picked a lane

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/microsoft-....
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Microsoft is shutting down its entire physical retail operation and instead will focus on its digital storefronts via Microsoft.com, as well as stores in Xbox and Windows.

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KD to your point about your nephew and what expectations were for people around him. I agree. I have been practicing social distancing and obsessive hand washing for thirty years. Initially since when either of my two sons caught a coronacold I invariably caught it and more times then not developed a sinus infection and bronchitis.

Now three years removed from chemo and radiation I steer clear of anyone sneezing coughing etc. I don't rub my eyes or mouth or pick my nose unless I scrub down first. Try not to touch railings and such. Open public restroom doors with a paper towel and hit the sink when we leave an establishment. Never occurred to be to scream at people Im compromised
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Hey don't miss the fun Tonight on Government TV!

Starting at 6 when Mitt Romney is caught at a BLM/antifa rally!

At 7 don't miss president Trump talking out both sides of his mouth, with doctor sushi!

Coming up at 8, the ADL demands even more censorship online through boycotting advertising on social media websites that by the way, their people own and run!

At 9 don't miss the Government pushing for more shutdowns

Stay tuned at 10 for Hollywood loser has been celebrities, pushing all unAmerican narratives! Ranging from wearing your mask, to white man bad!

Then @ 11 don't miss sumbitchin bastards, the latest in action dramas...::
::Crooked politicians who polarized an entire nation do whatever they want while the people fight amongst themselves, 4 friends from a Ohio/west Virginia bordertown, discover this evil plot and decide to fight back!

@12 get down with Sarah Palin as she seductively talks about a book that she never actually wrote!

And at 1 we take an in-depth look at Sarah Palin on her loser has been book tour and how she'd show up to tea party rallies uninvited!

It's all right here on Government TV!!

If you're still up at 2:: just put on a **** film and see exactly how the government is ****ing you!!
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@Asimov: "It's an interesting thought experiment to take for granted the existence of such a person or group and try to figure out where they would be trying to take us."

No thought experiment needed. It's already known. The UN is the main public face of what's going on, with their Agenda 2021 and 2030 plans (recently renamed to Sustainable Development because apparently they realised that prefacing anything with 'agenda' maybe sounds a bit too sinister).

There's the Kalergi Plan. The ID2020 crap. Ireland 2040 plan. Last year's Event 201 (World Economic Forum). The list goes on and on. The end goal is massive population reduction (90%, maximum of 500mil people left on the whole planet - vaccines will be a component of this, just look at the results of Gates's vaccines in places like Africa and India for how well they work) and the absolute subjugation of everyone under Global Communism.

Sounds like a fun future, huh? Dave Cullen (Computing Forever on Youtube... until he gets banned like all the other creators who say things the corporate overlords don't like) has been talking about this stuff for quite a while now. A recent one, relatively short:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSiA2Rm-....

And something longer and more in depth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U9iqVJn....

Until people are willing to see what our governments/elites are doing and are ready to do whatever needs to be done to stop them... this is the world we've got to look forward to. And these last few months have basically destroyed any hope I once had that we could stop anything.
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Prepare for more mental gymnastics as areas below herd immunity may be showing a rise in cases correlated to the BLM protests at the beginning of June. But to support this argument one has to admit masks did not prevent infections - I recall being reminded over and over that the protesters were wearing masks and would be ok.


It seems I read something, but can't remember where, that those being tested in the last couple of weeks were not supposed to be asked if they had been to any of the demonstrations/protests/riots.

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Yep

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Prepare for more mental gymnastics as areas below herd immunity may be showing a rise in cases correlated to the BLM protests at the beginning of June.


All of the yelling, screaming, and chanting, which results in a lot of breathing that is more forceful than normal, coupled with the close proximity to each other for hours, should result in many more cases, masks or not.

Should we applaud the BLM folks for volunteering to be test subjects?

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Karl wrote..
Remember, you can't sue a vaccine maker if they do this and nobody will be criminally charged either.

but you can put a bullet into someone's head. If it were to go down like it did with the poor kitties and the surviving people knew that they had a potential time bomb in them, the rioting and purposely directed killing would be unimaginable.

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"Asimov" wrote..
If there's a person or group orchestrating all this insanity going on, and it's not just an example of typical human socialization gone wrong... I don't think civil war would scare them a bit. It's definitely some form of revolution or coup anyway.

It's an interesting thought experiment to take for granted the existence of such a person or group and try to figure out where they would be trying to take us.


Most empires fall from within. If you were trying to destroy the American Empire, infiltrating the political system and gradually transforming society into something that's either more favorable to your needs or that's doomed to implode would be a reasonable strategy. So would quietly taking over the media and using them to foment a nasty civil war that will almost certainly leave us an impotent mess economically and militarily. Heck, do both at the same time.

If it's not a conspiracy, I'm not sure you could've done a better job with one.

A genocidal vaccine, on the other hand, doesn't really add up. If we're only talking a small group of angry psychos that want to kill a bunch of black people with no other end in mind then ok, sure, your vaccine kills maybe a few million before people realize what's causing it and stop accepting it. You've sacrificed your credibility for a short-term victory. An anti-fertility vaccine would take much longer to detect, and attempts have been made at such a thing (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2665354/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12286012...., and there were allegations that WHO ran an experiment like this in Kenya where they put human chorionic gonadotropin in the tetanus vaccine to cause miscarriages), but the effect would ultimately still be short-term.

If we're talking Illuminati levels of conspiracy aimed at population reduction, like Radiosity suggests, then this approach is dangerous and unproductive. The risk of discovery involved in programs that supposedly take little chips out of population growth (GMO, childhood vaccines, EMF, etc) far outweighs the gain. It would make much more sense to just wait until your grand scheme to erode national sovereignty finishes playing out so that you can overtly implement a eugenics program. You don't even have to kill people; just sterilize the undesirables and let them live to death (like we did here in some states in the early 1900s). You would only risk pursuing the population reduction goal now if you had some kind of hard deadline beyond your control (maybe a natural or cosmic disaster, or an alien invasion) and you needed a low population by that point for some reason. Even then, starting a major war and killing hundreds of millions at a time seems much safer and more effective. Such programs could be construed as beta tests for future population control methods, but not something that's intended to significantly affect population now.

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KD: "The backlash from that might well start a civil war all on its own."

I do not want to see a civil war break out; we have enough on our plate. But, if the Feds try to forcibly immunize our people I hope that we will go to guns immediately.

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