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Peterm99
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Whitehat wrote..
Those in power, the old and the aristocracy, take the losses first as they know better than to kill the future.
More often than not, I am in agreement with much of what you write, but this statement is so far off the mark that it's almost laughable.

With the exception of tribal custom of essentially ad hoc "suicides" of elderly individuals who considered themselves to be a burden to the tribe in primitive societies (e.g., Amerinds, Inuit-Yupik, etc.), I believe there are extremely few significant historical examples of elders/aristocrats, as a class, sacrificing themselves or relinquishing their power/status by taking the losses first "for the future". Certainly, they have sacrificed many of their own members (along with the non-aristocracy) to wars ostensibly to preserve tribe, people, or nation. There are even some (not many) examples of the rulers of city-states etc., surrendering themselves to enemies in order to save the rest of their population, but that has been more the exception than the rule: with only very few exceptions, the aristocracy has been willing to sacrifice everyone else in order to preserve their own future.

I expect this to be the case in our situation - the elders/aristocracy/rulers (as a class) will never "take the losses" first (at least not of their own volition) in order to "preserve the future".

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A good friend (57), was found dead in his home yesterday by a family member.

He was told by doctors last year to "retire" due to pending total heart failure. He took good care of himself, was not fat, etc. Just lost the genetic lottery. He was on the heart transplant list.

Guess how many doctors appointments he had skipped or had cancelled due to kungflu?

Richmond VA's Mayor has extended the shutdown till the end of the month, despite the re-opening of the two Counties that totally surround the city.

To what end? He says he is following the data. As Karl has shown, he is either incredibly stupid, lying, or most likely, both.

How many more incidental deaths like my friends will occur till we stop the madness?


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To put this in perspective in the States that DID NOT intentionally seed Coronavirus into nursing homes the virus has created a roughly 0.5-1% all-cause mortality impact.

That is, Florida loses about 200,000 people a year. The virus has killed 2,000, more or less. Tennessee loses about 70,000 people a year; the virus has killed 305. Other states that DID NOT spike the death rate in nursing homes are similar.

Well, who wants to take the bet that the MISSED BUT OPERABLE CANCERS ALONE will kill more than 2,000 Floridians over the next 12 months? Of course there are also strokes and heart attacks, both of which SOMETIMES produce symptoms that would lead you to go see a doctor -- but if the doctor is not open and it's not an emergency, you don't go, the condition is missed and you die.

So on balance I'll take the bet that the all-cause mortality EX COVID will actually go UP more than Covid killed in those states. So not only did we NOT serve public health, we damaged it, we ALSO murdered the economy under false pretense.

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WhiteHat....."It will never be mass mandatory as there is no reason to light that candle."

What flavour of Koolade are you drinking? I would bet my granny's bloomers that this Will indeed eventually lead to mandatory vaccination. The sheeple are all playing right into the government's hands with this lockdown crap. I give it a year or 2 at the latest.
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@Pete_brewster, I wish I could give your post more upvotes than I already have as no punishment is too cruel or unjust for the politicians, governors, mayors, public health directors, etc. that are pushing this agenda. May they have the most severe and excruciating pain and public humiliation that could possibly exist and may their friends and family be witness to it all. I won't feel sorry for these people as they are evil beyond words and will relish with joy every second of any ill that comes to them.
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There's going to be no uprising as long as federal, state, and local government employees are drawing full salary for staying at home. We have allowed a behemoth to be created and it is now consuming the entire economic output of the country.

Keep going Karl, you're the only voice of reason in the ocean of mainstream media sycophants.
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Quote:

I would bet my granny's bloomers that this Will indeed eventually lead to mandatory vaccination. The sheeple are all playing right into the government's hands with this lockdown crap. I give it a year or 2 at the latest.


I'll take the other side of that bet. I know Dershowitz said the Federal government could force this on a "common good" argument but he's a pedophile idiot ...

This would be the spark that would trigger mass killings of politicians if implemented and take us into another civil war ...

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@Ticker guy I agree, as I too have pointed out that one way or another DC knew what was going on in China and or helping them!

There again those big corporations with production lines complete with people dropping dead or passing out finally got to the point they shut down!

Yeah Walmart CEO, Walgreens CEO, CVS CEO, etc etc all met with Trump about the crapdemic but somehow last year Chrysler, Ford and GM along with Apple's CEO'S was just just too darn busy to meet with anyone in DC and tell them the problems in China??????? ****in REALLY???

Yep those companies kept quiet thus helping China and or they told folks in DC but we wasn't informed until after the Christmas season! Hummmmm

...tis the season to commit treason, falala la la la,Trump is the Whitehouse and the right is nice and calm falalalalala, corporations hiding the truth,watching foreign workers fall over in a nation without white man sanitation system,fala fala fala lalalala
Perhaps we'll look back and refer to this as corona gate falalalala fala fala lalalala....
Jeepguy
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@Pandemicsamurai
Yes there is a major push for mandatory vaccines, and how the sheep will go for it,at least one tactic they'll use!!

"Must be anti Trump if you resist the vaccine"
"Trump haters are anti vaccine nutjobs"
"If you are a patriot you'll get the vaccine"

After all currently word has it among many that in order to be a true American Patriot you must not just like/love Trump but you must never disagree or call him out!!

So when they go to push the vaxy vaxy if you refuse it you'll be called a libtard even if you're a conservative a true conservative!!

Remember it's all about Trump-a-bump day in day out!!
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@Whitehat

Nice story, might even make a good thriller some day - EXCEPT - you discount that the SILENT HAND described and documented by Strauss and Howe in their 1997 book, The Fourth Turning as it IS and WILL continue in the same manner as Karl's mathematical analysis is and will financially - inexplicably to the historical conclusions of the last three (3) Fourth Turnings in this country.

What cannot be predicted - will it turn to the betterment and good OR to the foul, despicable and EVIL - THAT, I believe lies in the hearts, guts and minds of each of us.

WE fail, each of us individually, - we and our children will curse that which we allowed.

Just saying, not so much though!

Reason: grammar fopa
M1919a2
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@Invisiblesun

It's called SEDITION!!!!
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@Pete_brewster

As a canuck, you have very little sense of the history of your monarchs and the justice imposed by those who had no reason to give "due process" but did, EXECUTING him after trial and conviction and judgement passed - FOR WHAT CRIME

Violation of his oath of office. Charlie I 1649

We to the south adopted all the good and trashed all the bad of our prior ruling thugs and we will do so to these but IN JUSTICE not by barbarism!
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ASS KICKING

There are some here and definitely Karl's blog lays it out and demands it.

This link is by a woman, not unknown here, in an article entitled "And He Upbraided Them...", most appropriate for this day and it's ending shows three of the current despicable men - bill gates (lower case intentionally used!) being the last of the three.

WARNING - If easily OFFENDED avoid at all cost!

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/05/21/and....

Reason: incomplete sentence
Kgmqt
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Well, who wants to take the bet that the MISSED BUT OPERABLE CANCERS ALONE will kill more than 2,000 Floridians over the next 12 months? Of course there are also strokes and heart attacks, both of which SOMETIMES produce symptoms that would lead you to go see a doctor -- but if the doctor is not open and it's not an emergency, you don't go, the condition is missed and you die.


That will just be the round - those that were denied access because they were shut out of going to the doctor. The next round will be those that can't get the care they need because they no longer have the financial means to do so, or the care facilities are no longer there.

The biggest counter to opening the economy I hear from my facebook 'friends' is it will cost lives. Closing the economy will cost more lives than COVID when look at this 10 years from now. Loss of income, supply chain destruction, diversion of resources to COVID response - these will all end up costing lives. Even the change in lifestyle choices that will come out of this - how many people that had a good, active, healthy routine have fallen into a sedative lifestyle. Yes, these are choices, but for the past two months they have been telling people to stay home and binge Netflix.

I see a future that has a big(ger) uptick in obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and suicide. The number of life-years lost will be orders of magnitude higher than the life-years lost to COVID.
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@Little_eddie

IMO, don't let that thought go cause I think you nailed it. Sept/2019 exactly is when the emergency Fed operations started, and they never stopped, and it didn't look like they were going to be able to stop. I was thinking in Jan "there's no way they can keep this thing up up until Labor Day", and that's going to make it hard for Trump.

That's a big part of why I don't think the Wuhan virus is natural and I don't believe it's release was an accident, and I don't really believe it was the Chinese (although they may played the role of 'useful idiot').

I certainly don't think it was anyone related to Trump who let it out. The thought that keeps getting into my mind is the fanaticism and hate of much of the climate change activists. Intuitively, I just sense that's an essential piece of the puzzle.

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Thelazer: who the **** knows...

I am expecting there will be a second...third whatever number wave come Oct-Nov as solar irradiation drops UVB and Long UV drops off, because its what always happens with every virus, which is why we have a cold a flu season.

We may not see a second wave in NYC for reasons I don't care to get in to here, but the cliffnotes are, unless 15 to 20% of the populaton has antibodies, then, yes I expect it to be ongoing.
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Tickerguy wrote..
Corruption at the local, state and federal level is nothing new. But we've now got proof -- not evidence, proof -- that there are no local, state or federal officials, including the entirety of Congress, who are not corrupt. They've ruined businesses by the millions, they've killed seniors by the tens of thousands and the insult continues to this very day.


And the charade continues unabated...

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@Tickerguy

Cross-immunity wouldn't explain why children don't get this virus or at least don't get it with symptoms. Antibody dependent enhancement would though.

Turns out that they have already researched ADE in the MERS and SARS corona viruses

https://jvi.asm.org/content/94/5/e02015-....

Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) occurs when antibodies facilitate viral entry into host cells and enhance viral infection in these cells (1, 2). ADE has been observed for a variety of viruses, most notably flaviviruses (e.g., dengue virus) (36). It has been shown that when patients are infected by one serotype of dengue virus (i.e., primary infection), they produce neutralizing antibodies targeting the same serotype of the virus. However, if they are later infected by another serotype of dengue virus (i.e., secondary infection), the preexisting antibodies cannot fully neutralize the virus.
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I also think they will try to make the vaccine(s) mandatory.

That said, it could make for some interesting bedfellows in fighting it. Many of my hippie acquaintances are also strongly against forced injections. Might help the numbers if there are any (non-violent) protests. Not so much if/when the shooting begins.






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"what amounts to masturbation"

I dunno about that, masturbation at least gives you some pleasure into the bargain. Writing for a populace that doesn't want to hear is just plain depressing.
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If COVID is the "invisible enemy" and the US is at 'war' (Defense Production Act), then anyone giving aid to the enemy is thus a traitor.

Cuomo gave the command that provided the canon fodder to COVID.

Traitors get hung, so we're waiting...
[Noose]

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As much **** as I have heaped upon the bulk of the population in Ohio, I have probably been way too generous. The *******s in the state senate just unanimously voted down a very watered down bill that would have added some laughable oversight to that haggard old shrew running the health department. Our friends in Pennsylvania are not better off. I mean for **** sake...Corporal Klinger is running the ****ing health department. And Michigan. Ye gods....is it just me or does Frau Whitmer look like she's just a vinyl jumpsuit and riding crop away from being a full on dominatrix? Like the one in the old 80's porno "Scenes They Wouldn't Let Me Shoot". Every day I am so thankful that my grandparents didn't live long enough to witness this bull****.

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Frau WHitler reminds me of the Borg queen in Star Trek: First Contact.
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There's never a vat of warp core coolant around when you really need one.

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Something tells me that Dershowitz would change his tune if the .gov thought to put the vulnerable in camps, for their own safety, and plunge an ink laden needle into their forearm...

Just sayin'

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