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Pominoz
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At the end of April 7.3% of stockholmers had COVID19 antibodies. By their calculations this leads them to suggest that about 20% of Stockholmers have antibodies now.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-s....

If you believe as i do that lockdowns do very little to slowdown the virus as shown by the New York experience where 66% of New cases were on stay at home orders then what percentage of Milanese have antibodies now if they had 7% at start of April using the same calculations as Sweden.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/viru....
Pominoz
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Population of Stockholm = 2.344

Deaths in Stockholm (estimate) = 1300 (Just over a third of all deaths in Sweden)

Estimate of antibody rate from study in Stockholm at 20% as of now .(As per Anders Tegnell who believed it was a little more than 20%)

So 1300 divided by 20% of 2344000

Therefore estimation of death rate in Stockholm based on report 0.2773% or say 0.25-0.30 %

As better treatment protocols bear fruit and the new virus loses its mystique, the death rate would undoubtedly drop considerably. Then add in better protection for care home residents where 50% of deaths were from in Sweden and this virus wouldn`t even register on the excess death charts.

https://en.brinkwire.com/news/1-in-5-in-....
Mannfm11
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Incept: 2009-02-28

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John Solomon interviewed an epidemic statistician who said the plan that worked was to keep the kids in school, who would infect the parents. Hide the infirm and it would be over in a month. This is a bureaucratic normality. Get hands on something and make sure it is ****ed up as much as possible, extracts the highest toll, gives them more power. WE would never miss bureaucrats, if they all died. Amazingly complex problems would just disappear.

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Bodhi
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Incept: 2008-02-23

Canton, GA
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My 84-year-old aunt has been suffering from a double whammy of a blood clot in her colon and a mild stroke since February 14. Doctors had to remove part of her colon, and then she went to rehab for the stroke. She had made sufficient progress that she was scheduled to be released on April 29. However, a week before release one of the patients in the nursing home half of the facility tested positive for CV-19. Apparently it was brought in by a contract employee. So much for safe practices. My aunt tested negative for CV-19 infection and was released.

After 3 weeks at home (first 2 weeks in quarantine) she experienced another episode this past Monday and was taken to the local hospital. They did a blood test and now she tested positive for CV-19. They then did an antibody test which also came back positive, and said my aunt had been infected within the past 2-4 weeks. I strongly suspect it was at the rehab facility. Aside from a low oxygen level she is asymptomatic. My uncle and cousin who were quarantined with her are also asymptomatic.

Of course this is bringing up all sorts of questions. Especially how an elderly woman with so many comorbidities could get infected by CV-19, but be essentially symptom free. My uncle (84 years old) and cousin (63 years old) have so far tested negative for CV-19 infection.
Punch_rockgroin
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Incept: 2008-12-31

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passed a wopping tax increase to 'help those'


What's hilarious about this whole thing is the fact that the proposed allocation of these new funds was just about that specific. It was written as a measure to "help the homeless". Well, when you phrase it like that, how could PDX voters not enthusiastically bend over to receive skyscraper?

Not much in the way of specifics, which means it'll get dumped to the gen fund & pay for more PDX bull****tery.

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Asimov
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Bodhi: Even among the most vulnerable, only a small percentage (single digits?) are going to have severe symptoms, and apparently the "mostly asymptomatic" is 50-60% among them too.

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Uwe
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Pominoz wrote..
Here is an interesting bit of news from Italy(Milan) which shows that random samples of blood donors with no symptoms showed that 4.6per cent already had anti bodies present before the first domestically transmitted disease on Feb 21st. That rose to 7 % by begining of April. Relative small sample size of 800 random samples. If this is to be believed then as the samples were random, we can assume that this virus had been around a lot longer than the official line.

Not necessarily. A possible alternate explanation is a cross-immunity with another, less virulent corona virus that produces antibodies that these tests can't differentiate from those that the WuFlu produces. The "datasheets" for the some of the antibody tests that I've seen admit there is the possibility of false positives caused by antibodies to certain other corona viruses. Moreover if previous exposure to certain other corona viruses provides a degree of cross-immunity, it would go a long way toward explaining why so many people only have mild or no symptoms at all.

Pominoz wrote..
Population of Stockholm = 2.344
Deaths in Stockholm (estimate) = 1300 (Just over a third of all deaths in Sweden)
Estimate of antibody rate from study in Stockholm at 20% as of now .(As per Anders Tegnell who believed it was a little more than 20%)
So 1300 divided by 20% of 2344000
Therefore estimation of death rate in Stockholm based on report 0.2773% or say 0.25-0.30 %

Which is not far off from the average of all the studies someone collected in the following spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1....

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Bodhi
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Canton, GA
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Uwe wrote..
A possible alternate explanation is a cross-immunity with another, less virulent corona virus that produces antibodies that these tests can't differentiate from those that the WuFlu produces.


This is the theory I'm leaning toward at the moment. Until more research is done into the makeup and virulence of CV-19, this would be the simplest explanation for why some people get ravaged, but others are hardly affected.
Uwe
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This is the theory I'm leaning toward at the moment. Until more research is done into the makeup and virulence of CV-19, this would be the simplest explanation for why some people get ravaged, but others are hardly affected.

I doubt that's the only factor that determines why some people get it bad and others hardly at all, but it may very well be an important one.

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"Corona Virus will come and go, but government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of everyone's life; to control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table, church pew, and even whether you are allowed to leave your house.
Argos
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Incept: 2008-03-23

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. . . A new Global trial study by Washington University to include healthcare employees:

Washington U. researchers launch global trial to test chloroquine for front-line health care workers . . .


The trick is, Bluescup, is that there's no indication that any subjects will be administered azithromycin or zinc:

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/....

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2....

Thus, on the face of it, it's a study designed not to determine the efficacy of treatments utilizing HQ and HCQ. Given that it's funded by Bill and Melinda, whose interests would be served with the dismissal of these treatments, well, you don't need to be a weatherman . . .

Reason: grammar
Weezie
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Incept: 2008-05-19
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@Uwe - Read this. You're probably right.

https://t.co/7qKbHCYv3P?amp=1

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