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2020-05-20 09:15 by Karl Denninger
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The scream factory is at it again on Trump's statement that he is using HCQ as a prophylaxis for Covid-19, with some breathlessly stating that "he's going to kill people".

Well, is there any evidence for PEP (post-exposure prophylaxis) working?

Why yes, yes there is.

•In the context of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, management of exposure events is a concern.

•There was a large COVID-19 exposure event at a long-term care hospital in Korea.

•Post-exposure prophylaxis using hydroxychloroquine was provided to 211 individuals.

•Disease development was successfully prevented without severe adverse events.

Now there's no control group, nor is it random.  These are fair criticisms.

However, there were no serious adverse events and nobody exposed developed the disease either.  That's extraordinarily unlikely given the claimed contagiousness of this bug and that the index case was symptomatic unless the PEP was effective at preventing disease.

So let's contrast that with governors such as Cuomo who intentionally seeded Covid+ patients into nursing homes and no such measures were taken.

We know that outcome too; thousands of deaths.

Which do you think is a wiser choice?

Just asking....

Oh, and in a followup question, if you prevented nearly all of those cases of disease, and others where exposure was believed to have happened, would you still have any reason remaining for any sort of "lockdown" or "distancing" measures to be mandated, and for the economy to be destroyed?

Just asking.....

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The baldfaced political games being played is breathtaking. The science doesn't matter, the facts don't matter. All that matters is which individual says X first.

If I was in trump's shoes, the mention of HCQ as a possibility at a press conference would be one of the biggest failings of my administration. That information should have come from medical journals or... something. It would have saved untold thousands of lives. Why? Because political enemies jumped on it to show how orangemanbad it was and turned it into a political circus instead of a medical decision.


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My guess is that Trump know this as well.

He is fighting Fauci who doesn't want to give this treatment a fair shot cause it doesn't favor Big Pharm. So he takes it himself and leads the conversation by example.
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What he needs to do is direct Bill Barr to file federal 18 USC 242 charges against the mayors and governors (including in DC, which has issued such an order) that ordered Covid+ persons to be allowed into -- or back into -- nursing homes.

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Karl: A-****ing-men. TODAY.

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Off topic but of possible interest to people living in states with an income tax. You may want to consider changing your state withholding so you are not owed a refund next year. Because if you are, more than like you will never see it. Remember the IOU's some states were handing out after the last economic train wreck? Turning the stupid up to 11 is soooo 2008. They've already turned it up to 12 with plans for 13.

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A week or so ago I noted that there was a certain amount of irony that the head of Pennsylvania's "health" department was morbidly obese. Hardly the picture of health. When I saw "her" picture on a news article I thought was one fat, ugly old broad. Turns out she's a guy. So not only is the health director morbidly obese, she also has a mental disorder according to the DSM-5. It's just one embarrassing indignity after another heaped onto the people living there.

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Karl: A-****ing-men. TODAY.


I second that emotion.

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Actually there is a body of literature showing the antiviral effects of hydroxychloroquine. I post a review to Karl that just came out. The mechanism is mainly to block viral entry. It does not make a lot of sense to give it after the virus has already ravaged the lungs. It should work best either as prophylaxis or early in the infection.
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If you look at the records of those awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military award in the United States of American, established at the beginning of the Civil War (1860-1865, take note that a disproportionately large number were award to those, who during an attack on an enemy position, rescued the American Flag from the wounded and fallen flag bearer and continued the charge flag held high.

There might be some explanation there about Trump's hydrochloroquine usage.

Just saying!
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The anti-Trump screamfest has been continuous. No matter what he does they find a way to spin it against Trump. I don't watch the "news". I may scan headlines here and there. I watch a few videos over at bitchute. I mainly get my info from zerohedge. There is no 100% verifiable source of the truth. I sort through the BS and paint my own picture of reality. Whether people realize it or not they tend to listen to the version of reality they want hear.

Unfortunately when the media turns a "pandemic" into a political weapon it can cost many lives, trillions of dollars, and destroy our limited time we get to enjoy life. I still see people riding alone in their car with a mask on. People riding bicycle on uncrowded trails with masks on. But then on the other hand I saw an elderly couple carrying their oxygen machines going into the chinese buffet. Karen wasn't there to stop them from taking a risk.

7.8 billion people are not social distancing, wearing masks, washing their hands, and hiding in their homes. Karen needs to explain how there can be a billion canaries in the coal mine and they are not dead yet.
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My wish is for Trump to start wearing and demand we all wear masks. The Karens will instantly demand we STOP with the stupid masks!

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Karl, you'll love this one: https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursing....

The MN governor and DHS did exactly what Cuomo did and are STILL doing it. Moving elderly covid+ patients into nursing homes to keep hospital beds open. And then they wonder why MN has the highest rate of covid deaths among nursing homes of any state. The State even bought a couple of older facilities and revamped them with negative pressure rooms to house covid+ people but from what I can tell, haven't used them yet.

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@Tickerguy

Glowing article regarding Desantis's actions in handling the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/c....

Seems as though Florida took a better approach in dealing with nursing homes than many other state especially in its refusal to allow hospitals to discharge patients back into the nursing home.

Apparently, hospitals are under pressure to return patients back to the nursing homes as soon as possible due to the way Medicare reimbursement works. It doesn't say in the article if this was a legitimate concern. I wonder what role financial aspects played out in Coumo's horrendous decision.

One other point Florida has established "several COVID-19-only nursing homes, with a couple more in the pipeline". This would seem like a good policy decision on a national scale given what we know about the virus and the most vulnerable.
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@ Tdurden

I've been posting on Richard/Rachael many times on this thread over the last few months as well as our slope shouldered mediocrity of a Governor Tom Wolf...Here's a link to a story on Richard /Rachael done fairly recently in the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/....

Tucker Carlson called out Levine last night on his Fox News show and actually asked for Richard/Rachael's resignation. Here's a link to that segment as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDaoBXld....
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Did you catch how that great ass Cuomo was ridiculing Trump for the Hcq... but he took it when he got covid. I think this is his wife's web page.

https://thepuristonline.com/2020/04/chri....

The press deserves to be set on fire...
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Yes, unfortunately we live in a sick world where everything has to be turned political!

Yes covid is bull**** but what happens when we get a real emergency? What happens if someday their is a virus that causes all politicians and appointed officials to **** out of their mouth visibly?

I bet you'd see both sides claim that the other side ****s out of their mouth more than other!

What happens if we have a rash of actual terrorist attacks, because for decades now both fake sides let them in?

I bet they'll stand there and claim the other side let in more than the other did! Wanna bet? I'll lay down money that's what would happen!!

And of course most of the sheep will fall for it!!
Ignoring the fact that both fake sides let them in!

It's like right now there's a couple of bills going around in the Ohio Senate, to limit Amy Acton's power and require a review panel if she wishes to enact more bull****!

Yeah sounds great right? Well yes it would help with some immediate problems however, these bills still include social distancing crap and limiting the number of people that can gather!!

Above all it gives the state an inch, because if passed it puts on the books a situation where the state actually does have the right to declare a shut down, only for 14 days but of course you know that will be expanded!! Don't give them an inch!!

Those ruff gruff tuff conservatives have gone pussy folks, they're soft! I'm gonna have to break it to you, it's all gone Canada, in the sense that even the so called conservatives are left of center!

David yo yo Yost, Larry househoser, John Hustler husted, Spaz Mark Frazier, Mike the dyke dewine and my mayor Jeff no balls Hall can **** off for being blue blood fake conservatives!

This whole thing to me with each passing day looks more like a set up to get people to beg the federal government to come up with a way of overriding the states government!

I'm seeing more and more people ask where's Trump, where's the federal government?
They don't realize they're asking for something they don't really want! **** the state government we can resist this by just ignoring the dip****s!

We do not need the federal government to barge into our state and bark orders, we do not need Trump to barge in and bark orders, what we need folks is a large set of state wide BALLS!!

DO NOT GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ANYMORE POWER!
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What else?

Korea did so well at containing Wuhan flu because it was prepared for Red Chinese germ warfare.

Whether the virus was deliberately released doesn't matter. The Koreans had a plan for this scenario, and put it into action, because they recognized China as a military threat.

Western governments, who were in the back pockets of the Chinese or simply didn't take the Chinese threat seriously, didn't, and didn't.

Another thing:

Korea has no significant ethnic minorities, so attempts to control the importation of the virus into Korea were not condemned as racist.

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@Tdurden

Of course, "Rachel" made sure he got his own mommy out of the nursing home.

I wonder what conditions "Rachel" laid down to the rest of the family as the price of saving mommy. "Rachel" is back in the will, at bare minimum.

What is obvious is that "she" didn't do it because it was the decent thing to do.
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Of course as we know some are focused on the whole "anti Trump" "they're out to get Trump"

"THEY SAID ABOUT TRUMP"
"THEY'RE TURNING THIS WHOLE THING AGAINST TRUMP"

yeah nevermind it's been AGAINST US THE WHOLE ****IN TIME SWEETHEART!!

I mean he isn't going to lose his ass and livelihood over this!

OH YEAH, TRUMP WAS THE DUMBASS WHO DECLARED A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WHEN THERE WAS NO ****IN EMERGENCY! ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY IS OVER AND GEE GOLLY ****IN WHIZ THAT STOPS THE FUNDS THAT THESE GOVERNORS ARE GETTING! THEN THEY'D HAVE TO REOPEN!!

"BUT THEY'RE SAYING ANTI TRUMP STUFF"
"FOX NEWS SAID TRUMP IS UNDER ATTACK"
"THE LEFT SAID"

WELL DUH THERE JETHRO UMM GEE THEY ARE THE OTHER SIDE!! WHY DO YOU ACT SO SURPRISED WHEN THE OTHER SIDE SAYS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PRO YOUR GUY?

ARE YOU RETARDED? HUMM LETS SEE
GRETCHEN BITCH OUT OF MICHIGAN, GOVERNOR CUOMO OF NEW YORK AND THE LIBTARD RUNNING NEW JERSEY.. humm yeah boy oh boy they hate Trump-a-bump so bad YET HE'S GIVING THEM FEDERAL MONEY TO PRETEND THERE IS AN EMERGENCY!!

HAVE ANOTHER PIZZA BAGEL JETHRO AND KEEP WATCHING THE ENTERTAINMENT AND GANG MENTALITY ON FOX NEWS AND CNN AND SEE WHAT DA LEFT SAID ABOUT YOUR BOY TRUMP!

BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM, THEY TALKIN **** BOUT YOUR BOY TRUMP, YO YO YO THOSE MOTHERFUKERS TALKIN MAINSTREAM **** AND ****, BETTER SHUT DA **** UP AND GET DOWN WITH OUR BOY TRUMP!

YO YO YO **** DIS **** MAN I'MMA GO TO MY TRUCK AND GET MORE ****TY BEER HOPE TRUMP HAS MY COVID TEST READY WHEN I GET BACK!

PEOPLE BE REFUSING COVID TEST THAT GOES AGAINST TRUMP AND THEY JUST DON'T LIKE HIM! THEY'RE UNPATRIOTIC MOTHERFUKERS REFUSING COVID TRUMP TEST N ****!

NOW ANTIVAXXERS ARE OUT TO GET DA TRUMP! OUR BOY AND DAWG G HOMIE TRUMP!

FOX NEWS SAID ANTIVAXXERS ARE ACTUALLY LIBERALS!! NIGGA SAY WHAT? YEAH PEOPLE REFUSING TRUMPS VACCINE ARE LIBTARDS AND ARE TRUMP HATERS!!!

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THIS WILL HAPPEN IN MANY WAYS ITS ALREADY HAPPENED!! Grow up your lives don't depend on whoever is in the Whitehouse and the only one man it should depend on is yourself, **** the gangland mentality!!

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No one cares. They are too busy sitting on the couch fattening themselves up.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi....

It certainly feels like the masses have no idea they are in the slaughter house.
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What Trump does regarding his own health is between him & his physicians.

Rather than yammering about the president's personal medical matters, the screamers would better serve the public if they looked into the market boosting announcement from pharma company Moderna's touting its mRNA virus vaccine. Nice analysis of the "pump & dump" here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/12624....

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As of March 23, this doc in New York was 350-0 for curing people of the CV, sometimes in a matter of hours.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03....
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@Drifter:
C. Cuomos treatment protocol included quinine. An anti-malarial similar to chloroquine. They all know anti-malarials work.
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From Zerohedge:

"Here are the 10 steps you should employ, if you want to turn an unthreatening virus into a global power grab.

Start with a poorly defined virus, add an inaccurate test for it, and encourage as many terminally or critically ill people as possible to be repeat tested until they test positive.

Report your inevitably very high death rates and get vague about whether these people died OF the virus or simply WITH it.

Create a response to the crisis that rolls out a vast network of authoritarian measures, some of which have been in planning for a long while, and only a minority of which have any possible application to pandemic-prevention. (Make sure to cancel elections until further notice and to hugely increase police powers of arrest and surveillance)

Shut down your hospitals to all but covid cases. Cancel elective surgeries, kidney dialysis, cancer treatments, normal GP consultations and all non-emergency healthcare. Thus inevitably increasing all-cause mortality.

Change your laws in numerous ways to allow almost all of these new deaths to bypass normal checks and balances and be easily diagnosed as covid-19 related, either with the inaccurate test or simply by clinical presentation.

In case some attending medics are reluctant to go along with this, change the law to allow a single MD, who may never even have seen the patient in question, to diagnose covid19 at his/her own discretion.

Report the startling numbers of new cases you find as a result of these various manipulations, as evidence for how essential the new authoritarian measures are for saving lives.

With no sense of irony introduce mandatory Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)s for any demographic you consider useless eaters. (If challenged talk about human suffering, limited healthcare resources and ventilators)

Dont forget to add any ensuing deaths to the covid19 totals.

Make sure the media calls anyone who questions any part of this a conspiracy theorist.

Not only will these ten steps allow you to create a quasi-fascist police state, but the chattering classes will actually criticise you for not being enough of a police state and beg for more."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/10-s....
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