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Mannfm11
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I'm back in heaven, Fort Davis, Texas, where a new moon combined with the darkest sky in the US makes the trip worth it. I was through Fort Stockton and I was stunned how many masked people there were. Pecos county has 24 cases and zero deaths and lies in an area where people are as likely to tell the officials to **** themselves as anywhere. I guess the morons are watching CNN. The county has 15,600 people in 4765 square miles, 9000 of which live in Fort Stockton, about 1 person per 180 acres. Absent getting it on your hands, the risk of catching it is near zero, less than getting killed driving home.

It is amazing how the lie prevails. How bad are we getting ****ed? KD brings up the idea that there are people who just don't get this stuff probably because they have developed immunities to corona viruses for much of their lives. How else could the virus not spread on a cruise ship within a cabin?

How bad is the lying? Trump put his money where his mouth is and a relatively harmless drug is turned into a poison pill> How many FDA approved drugs are advertised for sale on TV and for suit as well? Where are the ads for HCQ? As many people who have taken it and no ambulance chasers?

Now the bull**** about the slow social distancing decisions killing so many people? If SD worked, why were there 26,000 new cases and almost 1300 deaths almost 70 days after it began? Did we even have that amount of either when the nonsense started? They are either lying or statistically challenged. I preferthe former. IT HAS ABOUT 98% LYING.

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Whitehat
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The reason that Americans have not found their balls as some posters in this thread validly point out is that the Americans with balls do not feel like dying or risking other harm and inconvenience for nothing. It is called balls plus smart. That smart also includes varying lines for different people. Right now the authorities are desperately trying to figure out the general line. No matter how close they get, there are going to be outliers.

Never forget that balls plus smart are not particularly enthralled with the inaction of their fellow Americans and are not willing to sacrifice themselves for them. Balls plus smart might enjoy the unliked fellow Americans wallowing in misery, fear and being harmed by the government as punishment for being spoilt *******s. Balls plus smart might wait for chaos and play whatever games necessary to avoid personal and beloved familial misery and harm including figuring out ways to avoid this probably **** vaccine. Balls plus smart might also enjoy hurting fellow spoilt Americans when deciding to take action against the bigger picture. Kind of a twofer.

Balls plus smart will probably take action for the greater ideal or perhaps personal line in the sand, but not for the relief and protection of the current denizens of his country. Balls plus smart is smart enough to know that the people as a group allow this and that there is no reason to die or be harmed in any way for them or futilely.

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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

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Jack_crabb
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I'm not arguing your point, Whitehat, and I'm not suggesting that it is time to get off the porch right now, but balls plus smart and getting the timing off - either too early or too late - leads to the exact same place.

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Molon Labe
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Peterm99
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Completely agree with what you say, Jack-crabb.

The problem is that not only does the timing have to be right, but that all the "balls plus smart" folks have to have their internal timing in fairly close synchrony, and, that is extremely unlikely to happen.

Consider the "stealth coup" of the imposition of the Constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation, or the Whiskey Rebellion, or when Lincoln trashed the Constitution, or when the Fed Reserve and income tax were imposed, or when Wilson lied us into WWI, or the many federal power grabs of FDR, or the metallic debasement of our coinage and the enactment of the '68 GCA under LBJ, or the passage of the Patriot Act, etc., etc., etc., etc. or any number of other events one might wish to name. It can be easily argued that each of these was the "right time" to reign in the statist power grabs; yet, it is obvious that an insufficient number of smart and ballsy people agreed.

Even in the present time, what are the "ballsy but smart" people doing? We are all retreating in the face of intolerable actions by local, state, and fed gov'ts; we have removed, or are in the process of removing, ourselves from intolerable situations by "going Galt" in one way or another. The way things are going, there will soon be neither a "Galt" location remaining nor a viable means to actually escape the gov't jackboot. Essentially, the "ballsy but smart" strategy has resulted in the situation that it will NOT result in the "saving" of this nation, but in waiting for its collapse/demise.

Or, to put it bluntly, the strategy of being "ballsy but smart" has utterly failed because we are well into the "too late" stage due to being "not-so-ballsy but smart" for way too long.

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Jack_crabb
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Exactly, Peterm99. The odds of a Henry Bowman-like situation are getting smaller and smaller. This society is the frog in the warm water that is now getting uncomfortably hot.

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Molon Labe
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The problem is that not only does the timing have to be right, but that all the "balls plus smart" folks have to have their internal timing in fairly close synchrony, and, that is extremely unlikely to happen.

agree with your comment Peterm99, however as quoted above, internal timing does not have to matter if the person is doing something for his own reasons for his own satisfaction. If the world is in some kind of sync, perhaps all of the Balls plus Smart will find their timing close together or quickly inspire each other to strike from personally canned plans once word gets out of the initial actions. Kind of like a chain reaction explosion happens so quickly that each detonation seems simultaneous. Concurrently with this chain reaction and enhancing it; the actions of one or a few Ball plus Smarts could be so salient that a difference is made in and of itself, plus inspiration described above for the chain reaction.

To put it succinctly one could do to someone something so terrible that when the reason came out anyone aware of the actions would be changed forever. Karl gave a horrible example of a politician's or cop's child being cooked in a stove set for self-clean. No authority hearing of that would ever be the same and would act differently as in more meekly.

Sadly, terrorism works. It's called the poor man's atomic bomb for a reason.


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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

What were you doing over the years as your children's future was being destroyed? Do not expect them to fix your mistakes or tolerate you for them.
Tickerguy
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Yep.

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Sadly, terrorism works. It's called the poor man's atomic bomb for a reason.

It also works for statists who are not so poor. Two examples are the Mongols destroying recalcitrant cities to induce other cities submit and the Red Terror.
Peterm99
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@Whitehat -

I'm not quite as convinced as you about "terrorism", no matter how heinous, working, if it's done in a onesy-twosey manner.

Arguably, Ted Kaczynski perpetrated terrorist acts against gov't officials (and others), as did whoever allegedly sent anthrax and/or ricin to various gov't officials, the guy who tried to take out some congress-scum playing baseball, those who assassinated (or tried to) presidents and/or other gov't officials. etc., etc., and other examples could be found, as well. Except for instituting better security and aggressively pursuing the individual perpetrators, those acts were pretty much ignored by the gov't at large.

I am of the opinion that had one (or a very few) of those "terrorism" events included extraordinarily heinous acts against a family member of a gov't official, the response by gov't would have been exactly the same, i.e., no diminution in the level of gov't screwing the populace.

In order to be effective, "terrorism" intended to change the behavior of gov't in a major way (e.g., "get serious about implementing the rule of law based on Constitutional principles") has to be more than simply a singular event: it has to be widespread enough (or alternatively tightly directed enough) that the policy-makers have to fear that it will also touch them and/or their families, AND it has to be relentlessly continued until the objectives are attained. "Terrorism" that does not do both is simply an annoyance to those in charge and accomplishes little. Yet, accomplishing both is impossible (IMO) if it is only a very few individuals who attempt to carry it out - they will be neutralized well before gov't will consider changing its behavior. So, using your example, broiling the kids of a half-dozen gov't officials will accomplish nothing, IMO, unless it's done as "one kid a week" continuing indefinitely until gov't behavior is changed.

Now we are back to the "critical mass" argument - there have to be a significant number of individuals that are willing to commit "terrorism" independently of, but contemporaneously with, one another (given modern tech capability available to the TLAs, any co-ordinated effort is doomed to fail). What is a "significant number" in this context? Hell if I know, but IMO it surely has to be at least in the many thousands or tens of thousands range, each of whom need to be willing to risk their lives in carrying out these acts and has arrived at that decision point independently and on his own.

And we, the allegedly "ballsy but smart" people, have trouble getting a few hundred, much less tens of thousands of like-minded people to do peaceful protests where the worst-case outcome is likely to be whiff of tear gas, a few days in jail, and costs of a few thousand dollars in legal costs.

The state of any meaningful resistance is that the balls have all shriveled away and the smarts have all leaked out.

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Asimov
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The only "terrorism" that will work to enact meaningful change is the type written about in unintended consequences.

Otherwise, you're just a lone nutjob and it's not going to change anything.

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@Peterm99 -- yes, i see your point and there is a lot of validity to it. I could be completely wrong. In thinking about your points one thing stands out, the public's connection to the targets. Regarding a perpetrator like Ted Kaczynski, he targeted people who did not register with the public. The concept of bombing is not that uncommon in the public consciousness. People hear terrible things in the news such as this and do not have an emotional reaction. Society hears about so much bad stuff that people develop a coldness over time. The reason that a minor gang shooting such as the St. Valentine's Day massacre is so shocking in the time in which it occurred is that such things at the time were rare in the public consciousness. People were horrified at the thought of such a thing being possible. Now if we add in the steady diet of war, news correspondence, ugly violence in the cinema and the daily information overload that became common once the era of color television began, people adapted by tuning out their protective emotional reactions. They might be somewhat glued to the screen for some horror, but are callous to it. Hence the lack of outcry.

Events need to have a personal connection to people and/or be localized and great in scale to provoke as a sufficient stimulus. We have lost empathy and the ability to perceive the probably empathic reactions of others. For example children raised with very limited television news react to the suffering of others vastly removed from them. I saw this with my own. They are horrified that people might have something happen to them of a violent nature and most often want some accountability.

In the case of the Unabomber (notice that i use the handle for a reason) he was more of a celebrity or curiosity to the general public. The reasons are above and also that his victims were not really that noteworthy in the public mind and of course not connected to them in any way. He was at best an interesting story. As for his writings made public, he was way too cerebral bordering on rambling which of itself was a turn-off to the mind.

A serial killer like Ted Bundy captures the imagination and public outrage because his victims had a face that could be identified by anyone as close to their loved ones. He attacked innocence and beauty and people's families in the archetypal sense. Even then it was much more about curiosity for a lot of people.

Politicians just by the nature of their work are more cold-blooded. Perhaps the endeavor attracts those that select for this highly. When terrorism occurs against members of the public who have no direct connection to them including horrifying attacks on children it is hard to imagine but true that the vast majority of politicians are acting. Before one condemns them, realize that even regular Americans now tune out for the reasons described above. It should be noted that Americans are still somewhat horrified by such acts but more in the terms of projecting their fears for their own. The politician is merely grateful that his family does not mix with the vulnerable public.

Given the discussion above one has to ask when was the last time a politician or her family was targeted. The shooting at the ball game still seemed like random nut as it was not the kind of horrific Ted Bundy stuff against their families or themselves. The violation was not personal or an invasion of personal space.

If actions start happening in the personal sense, there will be a connection to their social class and emotional sharing like never before. When one converses with families victimized by personalized acts such as school shootings and direct targeting of family members one perceives that these people have permanently lost their sense of security in their own person. Varying degrees of this are also present in the non-directly victimized such as the parents of children at the school shooting but not injured or killed. It also affected people more removed from the tragedy to the degree that they feel that they have kinship with the first-hand victims. They are never the same. This is what is played by politicians to manipulate the people's acquiescence to various schemes.

If it occurs, which I sincerely wish it does not and beg anyone considering such to rethink his plans, that the politicos and influential are stalked, targeted and subjected to horrors, they will all feel the same things described above and be changed permanently. It will also affect current and future people in these positions. They will take on all of the post trauma effects in the manner described above with non-directs to varying degrees.

As for the general public, they see these politicians as relatively frequent presences in their lives and have connection to them, unlike the Unabomber's victims. There is an obvious effect. The worst is something that has not been considered, going back to the TV.

Television personalities are like family to people and like family, love or hate, are part of their daily lives. These people no matter how rich have even less protection and usually only rely upon high cost of living to isolate themselves and their loved ones. Some of them are very pretty, kind of a requirement for some positions. Any attack on them will capture the public's emotion and due to similarities and connections will cross pollinate with the political and influential class.

I implore anyone considering these types of action to reconsider. There is nothing wrong with playing hardball with people in terms of investigation and exposure. We do not want to live in a world where people leverage the powerful with immoral acts. I have seen broken societies and the one thing to remember is that they are very unpredictable places. Remember that what is done to a bad person can be done to a good person. Once the genie of violence for political end is out of the bottle, we have no society and everyone is forced to rule in hell. Those of us who are flowers that could bloom in hell know that it is still hell.

All you have to do is vote all of them out. It is even easier now since in some areas everyone qualifies for an absentee ballot.

The most vicious and violent will tell you that it is a horrible way to live.

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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

What were you doing over the years as your children's future was being destroyed? Do not expect them to fix your mistakes or tolerate you for them.
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