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2020-05-19 06:00 by Karl Denninger
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'Troubling' Groveling Nutjob
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So when the Governor issues an order you find to be unconstitutional what do you do?

When you're a former WWE star and Tennessee Mayor?  You blow the Governor (and President Trump) since they are both in your political party.

Jacobs, a Republican who won the 2018 race for mayor in Tennessee’s third-largest county, Knox, said there is nothing in the U.S. or his state's Constitution that would allow for many of the restrictions.

Then the order is not only illegal it's void as if it was never issued.

This isn't my claim by the way --  it's a statement of the United States Supreme Court:

An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed.

Your county has formal police powers, including the right to arrest any person attempting to enforce an unconstitutional order, as such an order is not a law nor does it afford any protection.  That makes any agency of the State attempting to enforce same nothing more than armed thugs and armed thugs go to jail in your county, right?

Apparently not.

Now if you happened to agree that there was a Federal and State Constitutional provision that made such orders Constitutional then there might be something to debate -- specifically, whether there actually is.

But your oath of office does not include honoring the Governor's whims. In fact said oath of office is to the Constitution of the State of Tennessee and the lawful orders and laws of the state, county and municipality.

Again, an unconstitutional act is not a law.  It is void as if said act never occurred.  If you, as mayor, find that to be the case then you have an obligation under your Oath of Office to refuse said order and to refuse to allow agencies of the State to enforce said order within your political boundaries using whatever force is necessary to do so.

Of course you didn't do that, did you?

For that matter, neither did the other Counties.

So much for your "oath" of office; that "oath", it is now clear, was in fact a promise to use your man-pleaser on Governor Lee's and President Trump's schwantz.

Never mind that it's not like there isn't precedent at this point to give a big fat flaming middle finger to Governor Lee, right?  Wisconsin gave up after their governor's order was tossed by a judge.  Last night Oregon's governor Kate Brown had hers tossed as well and the judge who did it refused to issue a stay for appeal.

As I have repeatedly pointed out by the end of March we knew several things about this virus that nobody paid any attention to, instead listening to the screaming nonsense coming out of known-fraudulent computer models in both the UK and here at the IHME, along with parts of our government that have been repeatedly wrong and made promises they have failed to deliver on for nearly 40 years with another deadly virus, HIV.  As I've pointed out the IHME "model" falsely stated facts on the dates of initialization over multiple runs, which instant bins it as having any validity whatsoever.  The UK model has now been disclosed to be an ever-bigger mess.

Never mind that changing the time of an infection doesn't change the outcome; the premise of all of these models thus rested on one and only one claim: We would have an overload of the medical system if we didn't take the steps, and we would not if we did.

That's the beginning and end of the discussion and now, since that claimed overload risk is off the table everywhere on a national basis exactly zero of these measures are justified as a matter of law, ethics or anything else.

I accept my mortality.  I can read the data, and calculate risk.  Those who choose to remain isolated in whole or part, whether "socially distant" or who simply refuse to leave their homes, can do so.  The facts are that doing so will likely not prevent you from getting this bug, but it may well make it happen later rather than sooner.

If it's going to kill you then whether it does so now or in three weeks isn't all that material.  I've been over all of the rest, including governors intentionally seeding this virus into highly-susceptible populations not by mutual consent of everyone present (as is the case if you walk into a bar) but by literal force.  That's manslaughter just as certainly as it is if I run you over with my car after choosing to drive on a highway knowing that I'm well beyond the legal limit of intoxication.

I've been reporting on this virus now since February, and frankly, the screamfest and scamfest associated with it has reached a point that it simply isn't worth it anymore.  There are only 24 hours in a day and every one of them I spend behind a computer keyboard is one I cannot spend doing something else.

Let me know when you cut the crap America.

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Ugrev
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My ex wife filed a petition for custody changes and part of the petition is that I cannot fly my children from NY to NC when they come to live with me for the summer of 2020 only. No amount of arguing the numbers has worked (I was as advised, but on principal tried to argue some of it anyway). The courts didn't give a **** and I basically burned that cash. I can fly up alone, but I have to drive down with them.

My lawyer said the amount of legal precedence coming out of this is unbelievable.

If I had the money, I'd burn it all just to bring as much as I could down with me.
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Ugrev, I hope your Ex winds up homeless like mine has once your kids are grown and on their own.

My Ex lives either in her sister's basement or a spare bedroom at my Daughter's.

She refuses to get a full time job and has spent the last 20 years trying to scam disability, which she finally got after falling down the stairs at her sister's place and breaking both legs.

It was her idea to get divorced when I had some legal and employment hurdles in my life.

Off to spend the day with my adult son.

Actually getting 3 days off this week because the Team we meet in Texas decided to no call no show and we just went to CA and Back.

My case of 9mm just came in.



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1776.

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@Ugrev, one of the happiest days of my life was the day my kid graduated from high school. As I passed the ex wife in the parking lot on the way to my car I smiled and said "You're Fired." The next day I filed for the termination of "child support" and removed the ex from my payroll. The child has no legal claim to that money...it's the mother's to do with as she please.

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@Tickerguy Well yes, the virus is bull****
I agree! Frankly I'm interested to get back to your economic reports and podcasts!

Perhaps you would be interested in running a model on the effects of all this crap on the economy say 6 months out, three months would even be interesting!!

What I've gathered, mostly complied out of other peoples reports and my own visual assessment of retail stores, I see that the effects are here to stay!!

what's your thoughts on the concept that China cut us off? Any thoughts at all???

I know one angle that would be interesting for you to cover, that would be the automotive industry, they was sucking ass coming out of last year all the companies across the world was down 8 to 8.5% and now it's coming out they're starting up production again...
I say to them, don't bother everyone is broke and hey,no job no loan!!
Your thoughts??

Auto defaults are running high plus there's a flooded used car market out there!!

What do you think??

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regarding the Dershowitz opinion it is amazing how useful were those trips on the Epstein party jet. Such comments should be attached to every posting of the interview.

My spouse used to say that if this country ever fell apart (no law or consequences) one of the most dangerous occupations would be ex-wife. She further said that men would and probably should kill other's ex-wives just on principle.


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Something to start planning for now is when start rolling out their "vaccine". We know there has never been and most likely will be a corona virus vaccine, but they are going to force something on us they will call a vaccine. The last thing I want any part of again is something Bill ****ing Gates rushes to market. Windows Bob, 95, 98 ME anyone?

Sure, they might not go door to door and put a gun to your head. But they will suspend your driver's license, passport and any other permission slip they issue. Don't think they won't go to the lengths of freezing bank accounts and credit cards. They are already strangling the cash option wherever they can.

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Okay song Time:: CCR parody:: QTARDED::

OH QTARD, OH QTARD, I pity you, I really pity you, you say TrUsT Da plAn, you say TrUsT Da plAn, you say TrUsT Da plAn, with your president's schlong in your hand

YOU'RE QTARDED, YOU'RE QTARDED,
With the president's schlong in you're hand, YOU'RE QTARDED,

OH QTARDS, OH QTARDS, OH QTARDS, YOU TrUsT Da plAn, you TrUsT Da plAn, you poor QTARDS...

the rest is pretty much instrumentation and guitar solos played by special guest
John ****erty!


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Ugrev -really sorry to hear of your hassles with custody. It's disgusting that lawyers would take advantage of the situation like that. I am unaware of any legal basis that would justify a court ordering that you cannot put your kids on a plane. I guess precedent is being set as your lawyer is saying without any kind of actual government action.

No doubt the screams of "it's for the chill-ren" will drown out any legal sense.

I will say that, troubles aside, this is an interesting legal development that challenges the expected gigantic round of gaslighting I am expecting any day now from the airlines. You know, like a huge ad campaign persuading boobus americanus that it is safe to fly, never mind the fact that mobility spreads viruses. I expect "health theater" full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Plus the high likelihood that nothing will be done about the TSA other than perhaps anally fisting you and making you take your mask off as you are funneled through checkpoints with thousands of other passengers like sheep to the slaughter.

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"There are only 24 hours in a day and every one of them I spend behind a computer keyboard is one I cannot spend doing something else."

Yup. I gave up trying to educate anyone ages ago, I just write my books and enjoy the life I have left. While planning how I might survive when everything collapses, because that at least puts me a few steps ahead of the sleeping herd before they wake up... just before (or after...) the culling begins.
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Karl, I can see why you're no longer interested in Wuhan flu---or rather, the plot to cripple western economies ahead of the 2020 US election for which Wuhan flu was the pretext.

Once it becomes clear that President Trump is as popular as ever, the globalist, pro-China media will move on too. After Labor Day, with the US presidential election going into full swing (and Biden losing, badly), you won't hear another word about "COVID-19."

Unfortunately, we, the productive classes of the western world, will be paying the penalty for Wuhan flu for years to come---of which seeing your favourite pub close down for good is just a small down payment.

What does it matter after all, if your favourite places close down? The time when it was expedient for the likes of us to have nice things are over as far as our masters are concerned. You don't buy new toys for a dog you're going to take to the vet to be destroyed.
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Okay, so let's go over the true but secret meanings of the alphabet agencies acronyms! I think you'll find it very interesting and of course yes you will discover how strange the government really is!!

FBI= Federal board of intoxication

CIA= Central intoxication agency

NSA= narcs snitches *******s

DHS= department of homo security

DOJ= dumbasses on the job

TSA= totally **** airlines, used to be takin a **** airlines!
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In a true emergency most people are willing to grant the gov a few extra powers. However, in this case it was obvious at some point there is no longer any emergency. Not only that, but the original emergency justification was based on lies. The story already had a strong smell by the end of January. The numbers out of China didn't make sense to me. By March I already could see this was being over hyped and the WHO's 3% fatality rate was a crock.

And the efforts to raise the deaths counts because of the CDC's loose guidelines look like a deliberate attempt to generate fear. And the efforts to discourage the use of treatments that are working look like a deliberate attempt to keep us in fear of a disease we can not treat. And of course seeding it into nursing homes is going to up the death count quite rapidly. I call these actions treason by terrorists. We should not be giving in to the terrorists we should be hauling them off to jail.
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@Pete_brewster, Biden is a placeholder. He gets replaced at or before the convention. The only reason he is where he is is because DNC Inc needed to get rid of Comrade Bernie. They kept Biden in his basement to make sure he's not calling anymore democrats fat, dog faced and telling them to vote for someone else. No way he is allowed to go into any debate with Trump. Sure, the #MeeToo hypocrites will still vote for him after that kind of disaster, but none of the swing voters would.

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the authorities will NEVER force this kind of vaccine. The closest that they will ever come is what they do to hospital personnel by requiring the garbage flu shot. Let them deal with it anyway as they are part of the problem.

If the authorities tried such a stunt with any type of life restricting enforcement, people will be given an indication that things have gone too far. The politicos cannot have that. They play more on the fear of the of such actually happening. The minute it becomes actuality all of the hard data along with old media stories about the debacle of the swine flu vaccine come out.

They could try some **** with schools, but then again, your children do not have to go to school.

Right now the authorities are dealing with the fact that regular people know what we are discussing here especially that a vaccine is not possible and is possibly dangerous. They also know that our hands are dirty with that lab in China. Word is getting around that any vaccine might be a weapon. Tin foil or not, people are justified in making their own answers from the available information if they are not given the truth.

Let the government mandate something like this. It's all that is needed to start the spiral of things falling apart, and that will be just fine for certain people. They are well behaved as long as things continue to work, so there is no opportunity to bother with them. Once there is no law, they are the flowers that bloom in hell which is why the politicos will never knowingly invite such chaos or permit it to happen.

This is why they have something described by David Icke as the totalitarian tip-toe. Got to give him credit; he nailed it. The politicos will always find a way to make people comply by manipulating them. We have continually lost ground without any success. Why would the politicos change their plans? When one is winning, keep doing the same. The way to fight them is to make them change their approach.

Fear the people who follow the law perfectly, pay their taxes and fees, follow all of the rules and regulations, almost appear nerdy. They never say, post or hint at anything. How many of them have lists and detailed plans for surgical actions?

If a person is a tough guy, rule breaker, potential trouble, whatever, as bad times approach, he can expect a rifle butt in the teeth or worse from the authorities. There will be no chance for ruling in hell as even the locals who probably already hate him will invite and cheer such actions. When the authorities go home or are outnumbered the real tough guys come out and these apparent rule followers become the ultimate rule breakers. This is what the politicos fear more than anything else.

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why is FAR UVC not being promoted? medcram has been a good source of info during this pandemic. since most of us would watch their videos on you tube, it would/should be a big factor in providing good science to everyone. the big problem comes from you tube taking down videos. in update 57 (which you tube took down [btw, not the only one of medcrams']) far uvc is explained nicely! fortunately medcram still makes these videos available on their website. with a free account you can still watch all of their videos. you can start here... https://www.medcram.com/users/sign_in
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The sheeple are being rewarded for staying in the pens, and it will take more incentivizing to get them back out to pasture before July (if that early).

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insight/blog/ui....

Trump, Thuglicans and Demonscats all signed-off on this nonsense. So did any biz or church that closed 'as per orders'. Those that follow an unlawful lockdown order should not be surprised of the consequences. There was no stand against the tyranny at the beginning, so lo and behold the tyrants are still in power!

Memorial Day should be cancelled, because the sheeple are not worthy to honor those that fought for freedom.
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WhiteHat,

Right now a lot of teachers are very concerned that many of the students are getting used to 2 hours of education a day. Many students are falling behind, some are starting to aske "Why do I have to spend 9 hours in school for this?"

My wife is actually loving it. She can teach her students the short cuts and "easy" way to do the equations.
As to the vaccine, the Cult of Caren will DEMAND EVERYONE GET A VACCINE! Of course, this whole thing is starting to build a backlash against feminists like I have never seen.
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+1 Pharmadude.

That is why the next gaslighting campaign is so critical. You cannot just tell the sheeple to get out of their pens; nevermind the past 2 months! Now be a good sheep and fill up the malls, go on a cruise and have unsafe sex with COVID-19 positive individuals.

The authorities just kicked the ultimate own-goal. The whole debt-ponzi requires ever increasing velocity of transactions ... MOAR consumption, MOAR miles driven, MOAR crap-box McMansions going up in your neighborhood, and MOAR debt to service the existing debt.

That **** just got shut down HARD, harder and faster than any natural recession ever would. They cannot change human psychology fast enough to stop what is coming now.


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I couldn't go to college without an immunization record which showed I "had my shots". They'll always get you through the backdoor. Couldn't go to Elementary, grade or high school without the same, for that matter.
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Whitehat...you give way to much credit to the American sheeple. Look at how almost everyone has pretty much rolled over and let the government strip them of all of their constitutional rights.
I need to grab my popcorn and a cold beer. This is just getting started.
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@Supertruckertom my ex-wife is a verifiable malignant narcissist and will do whatever it takes to continue to control my life. The moment my oldest turns 18..well I can't wait to tell him all the psychotic **** she's done. Including using this COVID **** to scare him into not wanting to travel. I had to undo that **** by showing him the math and the CDC numbers with actual COVID deaths being half of what they are propagandizing. When I showed him the NYC stats, and said that only 6 kids had died from this, he was like "that's it? Six?".

When you live in a communist state with a psycho mom, who voted for Obama.. Yeah....don't get me started... this is what I have to deal with. On top of that, her lawyer is just as psycho and the AFC has lost his damned mind too and tried to INSTRUCT my son to not come down. If I had the money, I'd file a complaint and seek to have him disbarred.
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Whitehat

Quote:
the authorities will NEVER force this kind of vaccine.
I would not be hanging my hat on this (Hanging my hat, to whitehat....Giggle Snort...)

Who shuts down lawful tax paying business? Nobody.

Who shuts down the economy of a state that is dependent on tax money? Nobody.

Who shuts down an entire country, not to mention the entire world economy? Again Nobody.

Which business, churches, city, county and state government is dependent on Free money? All of them.

Student loan debt, small business debt, bonds, levies, for over 40 years every form of debt has been placed upon anybody wishing to "get ahead" we are told "debt doesn't matter" and our government is leading by example.

It is my humble opinion that the money masters do not care if the economy burns to the ground and in fact want it to. The scorched earth they create places more pain upon "The People" who they hope will eventually submit to "it's just a shot" i.e. "it's just a box car" what do you have to be afraid of?

Today "they" are asking, but soon it will be requiring. No loan for you, no shopping at major stores for you, no travel for you... Besides, "It's just a shot".

Don't get me wrong, their plan WILL fail and fail spectacularly. But it won't be for lack of trying on "their" part.

Besides "It's just a shot"


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