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 Hypothesis: Hospitals ARE The Vector @RealDonaldTrump
Mabman 220 posts, incept 2009-11-08
2020-03-29 12:38:48

Not necessarily related to topic of this post but came across this and wanted to share it.
I don't recognize any of the EPA approved products on the site, probably because they are all commercial/laboratory/restaurant type products as opposed to stuff that is available at the grocery store/Home Depot/etc.

So ... what are consumers using in their homes to disinfect surfaces ?
Lysol ? Bleach&water ? soap&water ? something else ? and is it effective ?

Which Virus Disinfectant is Best?
Coronaviruses are enveloped viruses that can be eliminated with disinfectant products

I want to use a product to kill SARS-CoV-2 but it isnt on the list. Is it effective against SARS-CoV-2?
First, review the related question to confirm that the product isnt on the list.

There may be additional EPA-registered disinfectants not currently on the list that meet the criteria for use against SARS-CoV-2. EPA will update List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2 with additional products as appropriate. In the meantime, we recommend using products on the list to combat this virus.

If a disinfectant product doesnt have an EPA registration number, then EPA has not reviewed any data that shows whether the product kills viruses or bacteria. EPA will not add products to this list that do not have an EPA registration number.

Mabman 220 posts, incept 2009-11-08
2020-03-29 14:49:36

Dr. Zelenko - FYI
This interesting.
Monroe, NY is a special situation, may be some genetic considerations here.
Ethnically non diverse.

10 hours ago
Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko

Board Certified Family Practitioner

March 23, 2020

To all medical professionals around the world:

My name is Dr. Zev Zelenko and I practice medicine in Monroe, NY. For the last 16 years, I have cared for approximately 75% of the adult population of Kiryas Joel, which is a very close knit community of approximately 35,000 people in which the infection spread rapidly and unchecked prior to the imposition of social distancing.

As of today my team has tested approximately 200 people from this community for Covid-19, and 65% of the results have been positive. If extrapolated to the entire community, that means more than 20,000 people are infected at the present time. Of this group, I estimate that there are 1500 patients who are in the high-risk category (i.e. >60, immunocompromised, comorbidities, etc).

Given the urgency of the situation, I developed the following treatment protocol in the pre-hospital setting and have seen only positive results:

1. Any patient with shortness of breath regardless of age is treated.

2. Any patient in the high-risk category even with just mild symptoms is treated.

3. Young, healthy and low risk patients even with symptoms are not treated (unless their circumstances change and they fall into category 1 or 2).

My out-patient treatment regimen is as follows:

1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days

2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days

3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days

The rationale for my treatment plan is as follows. I combined the data available from China and South Korea with the recent study published from France (sites available on request). We know that hydroxychloroquine helps Zinc enter the cell. We know that Zinc slows viral replication within the cell. Regarding the use of azithromycin, I postulate it prevents secondary bacterial infections. These three drugs are well known and usually well tolerated, hence the risk to the patient is low.

Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen.

Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea.

In sum, my urgent recommendation is to initiate treatment in the outpatient setting as soon as possible in accordance with the above. Based on my direct experience, it prevents acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), prevents the need for hospitalization and saves lives.

With much respect,

Dr. Zev Zelenko

cc: President Donald J. Trump; Mr. Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2020-03-29 14:50:23

I saw that at the time.

The problem with this is the lack of validation.

But..... it certainly argues for intervention before ARDS gets ahold of you, eh?

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Dasman 108 posts, incept 2010-06-27
2020-03-29 16:56:53

"But..... it certainly argues for intervention before ARDS gets ahold of you, eh?"

That's the booger, right?

It's a bit of an aside... but we are hearing of cases where people came down with mild to moderate symptoms, and were dead 2 days later.

I think, and this is right up the alley you have been talking about for a few years now, Karl... that we are going to see this burn through the population as sort of pie hole demographic "contrast" to the way Americans are eating... the sheer numbers that are pre-diabetic or have some kind of metabolic syndrome and crapola gut micro-biome... and yet mainstream medicine's "disease management" baseline for people's "normal" health says they are "otherwise healthy individuals".

Levels of inflammation and immune compromise as a result, especially because of poor diet and excessive use of antibiotics in animal husbandry, are EXTREMELY HIGH in the American general population.

I suspect we are going to see this play out in a nasty way... and by necessity ($$$), the Medical and Food Industrial Complexes will do everything they can do to prevent the public from seeing a snapshot of why there's so much vulnerability in people who are deemed "healthy" (but who are far from it, but whose bodies have yet to mount a full protest for the garbage they push into their pie holes)
Gauntlet33 381 posts, incept 2009-03-30
2020-03-30 11:44:51

"except every one of those new workers in the place is also a brand new vector to the rest of the community too unless they wash their damn hands before and after every contact with any item or person as well."

My baby girl was born on March 15th, just 2 weeks ago right in the middle of all this mess. The doctors would leave the room and use the "sanitizers" but I never once saw them wash their hands. The problem might be that using these might not be at all effective even though people like to believe that they kill "99%" of germs.
Kickthecan 1k posts, incept 2008-11-06
2020-03-30 13:07:02


The mantra I hear at the hospital is "foam in, foam out". While that is certainly better than doing nothing, it's obviously become a complete preventative in the minds of many. Even worse, many are probably not foaming thoroughly enough.

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