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2020-03-26 09:48 by Karl Denninger
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No, You Can't Have A Prophylaxis....
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This is why executive orders like Cuomo's on hydroxychloroquine need to be shoved up his ass sideways:

An entire New Jersey nursing home is presumed to be infected with coronavirus, forcing everyone from the facility to be evacuated on Wednesday, officials said.

At least 24 of 94 residents and patients of St. Joseph’s Senior Home in Woodbridge, about 20 miles south of Newark, have tested positive for coronavirus and the other 70 clients are also believed to have the virus, authorities said.

Here we go again.

Nursing homes have crap for infection control and always have.  Anyone who doesn't know that has rocks in their head.  This entire paradigm of "care" ought not exist in the first place, but I understand why it does.

Yes, I know, "we don't have clinical trials."  I get it.  And I also know that there are many people who cannot take this drug because of interactions with other drugs, and among nursing home patients there are plenty of people in them where it appears they take more drugs than food at mealtime.

But when you are talking about a population at highly elevated risk of dying from this virus what are the odds that this drug is more deadly than the virus is?  Remember, this is a drug that has been around for 50+ years, we know a great about it and it is used on a chronic basis by other persons for long periods of time -- specifically, for RA and similar conditions.

So whether the media and medical folks -- along with governors -- like it or not this is not a circumstance where someone's playing quack-quack or we have a particularly-dangerous drug (like, oh, all those HIV drugs which they're also playing trials with) -- we're talking about a preparation that has been used as a prophylaxis against malaria for a hell of a long time, and as a maintenance treatment for certain other conditions as well.

We understand its safety profile.  We understand it has risks.  There are people who can't take it because those risks include, in some people, a potentially fatal heart rhythm disruption.  As such "throwing the doors open" to stocking it like Tylenol would be obscenely irresponsible but there is utterly no reason for physicians to not be able to use it in an attempt to keep people out of the damned hospitalparticularly those at high risk.

Oh, and one other thing -- where is the antibody test?

Yeah, we'll talk about that on the podcast.....

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As of yesterday, koester pavilion nursing home (Troy, Ohio) has 17 cases of covid-19 and Springmeade health center (same complex, opposite side of town) had 5. 22 total. 1 confirmed + death, 2 additional deaths with tests results pending. 3 total deaths.
Additional 17 employees testing +
Various reports of hospitalization (5?)
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This seems like kind of a big deal ...

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/12....

"British epidemiologist who predicted over 2 million Americans and 500k Brits would die from coronavirus now says his model, which went viral, is wrong. Says England is unlikely to have more than 20k deaths & potentially much less. Whoops.

He also says hospitals in UK should have enough beds to handle things & that instead of lasting 12-18 months virus is likely to peak in two or three weeks. So, yeah, he got everything completely wrong. Sadly, his correction will get a fraction of the attention of his fear porn"

https://www.newscientist.com/article/223....

You should get a post up with the biggest "I TOLD YOU SO" in the world headlining it ...
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Isnt the use of this drug for COVID19 fairly easily fixed by FDA which Trump can influence? Doesnt he have power to replace head of FDA? Wont all the decrees by state governors be irrelevant if the FDA acts? The drug would still be prescribed by doctors who will know the patient history. Its not as if it would be OTC.
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@Jesjohn94 -- Yes, and further Trump could likely, under the DPA and such, make clear that he's going to "allocate away" any state that doesn't cut that **** out.

He could **** Cuomo up the ass so hard he'd bleed under that law. Now that's a rather extraordinary thing and would have severe political repercussions, but if we're going to play the "this is a life and death situation" card, well, there is more than one person who can play that card.

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This is just another teachable moment: months ago I said to myself, my family, my friends and here in the comments; even before Trump slammed the door shut on China I said that it was too late and now Mother Nature would be the decider whether or not SARS-COV-2 seeds Western Civilization - not the U.S. government. So what exactly is the teachable moment?

The lesson is that it's YOU who is responsible for YOU! - not Big Brother. YOU and ME, WE make the difference in our own respective lives.

Did you take out a little SHTF insurance starting in January? Did you pick up some extra vitamin C? - a month worth of food and water? - at least? - did you make a plan for the worst case scenario?

And later on, when this **** started to hit the fan, how about a supply of malaria pills? - or whatever else you thought might work? did you get some? Did you bug out before some mayor or governor ordered you to stay put - or else? Isolation works. And the only side affects are socioeconomic.

Speaking of economics: the government and the Federal Reserve are very busy putting a fresh coat of paint on a burning house. Really, the world has caught fire... And YOU! YOU are the one responsible for not getting burned... Will you let a fresh coat of paint fool you? Of do you smell smoke?

I smell smoke. How bad the fire gets is still an open question. Will the fire get put out in time for the American Empire to remain livable? Maybe. But remember what Lincoln said: "a house divided against itself cannot stand". The American Empire is not only on fire, it's becoming increasingly divided.

I'm still on yellow alert, but as every day passes I'm increasingly preparing for Great Depression 2... I'm not going hog wild, but, for example, I've cancelled my purchase of property in Oklahoma. Why? Because I think I'm going to be able to buy whatever I want to buy for a lot less money. A lot of people are going to get burned in this fire, and that means a lot of fire sales.

A lot of old people (not just in nursing homes) are going to succumb to the coming waves of SARS-COV-2 and the subsequent serotypes. More fire sales... We may be entering a period of time when YOU and YOUR overall HEALTH really matters.

Next flu season might hit like a ****ing ton of bricks. It might pack a one-two-three punch that puts a lot of unhealthy people down for the count - and they never get up out of the sick bed..

If I was fat, sick, out of shape, and shoving sugar and fast carbs down my piehole, I wouldn't expect to live long....and I'd be updating my last will and testament.

By the way, years ago I took hydroxychloroquine because I traveled to and from malaria infested ****-holes. The side affects are many. Some strains of malaria have become resistant. And I now have faith that my Beautiful Mother Nature will likely find a way to do the same with Her SARS-COV-2... In fact, She might have done so already... Mother Nature has made a firm believer in me... And even if My Beautiful Mother doesn't burn down the house, the dumb-**** Marxists will...


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in regards to the testing, does anyone worry about the massive amounts of DNA material they are getting and what they are doing with it?
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I said it in an earlier post, long term care homes SUCK when it comes to infection control. We go into lockdown for infection control but families can still come to visit love ones, it's their right. Never mind the fact that they are probably bringing crud into the home. It's their right. Never mind that their love one might not be sick but Junior might bring the virus with him, it's their right. Staff are some of the WORST offenders when it comes to obeying infection control directives! Many staff don't even practice basic hygiene going from room to room.
Just downright nasty!
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@Tickerguy, there are some antibody test kits available - abmc.com (American Bio Medics Corporation)
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If they start actually shipping....

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TDS is a killer
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Pandemicsamurai: He didn't say that....he said his original model was based upon doing nothing, but now with the measures being taken it shouldn't happen....hence, the need for new projections.

His new numbers are reflecting the new reality, everyone is having more limited contact, the economy is in the ****ter, so less people are going out and getting exposed.

Now you can say his original projections were flawed, but to say he is back peddling is dishonest, he is not back peddling, his original data set was based upon one model of contact and interaction, now we live in a world of another.
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Nope.

He's not modeling ****-eating (e.g. a trinomial or even binomial R0.)

The "distancing" isn't why it's slowing down.

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I'd like to take an antibody test. I went to the doctor January 11th, after I had been sick for a week, with an extremely runny nose, and 3-4 days of no taste or smell, and then a day of pink eye. Now those symptoms are popping up as possible indicators of corona virus. I'd really like to see if I had it already. And if I did, then why didn't more people in this area have it months ago.
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They did. Just showed up negative against anything they tested it for.

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"his original data set was based upon one model of contact and interaction, now we live in a world of another."

Bull****.

His original projection was based on mortality rate. Whether it all happens at once or over time, social distancing doesn't change the mortality rate of any disease unless you socially distance forever ... the mortality rate is the mortality rate once you get the bug ...

With this particular virus, it is obviously well below his original projection of .6%. Its currently trending towards .00015% or 50K deaths per year which is a medium-to-awful flu season ... 2017 saw far more deaths based on estimates.

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Here is another video pointing out what a POC we have at WHO and what a moron Trump inherited to stand next to him and give advice. Did Obama leave behind a group of Marxists and Trump got talked into keeping them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uWriZEC....

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Fauci is a Gatekeeper for the Medical Industrial Complex.

All his solutions are at taxpayer expense to pharmaceutical companies and medical companies optimizing with patented chemicals.

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