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for example, the virus droplets don't spread as far in humid air


Not sure but I think this is like Brownian motion. The virus droplets get bounced around when impacted by water vapor molecules. If it's dry it takes longer to get enough impacts to finally come to rest on a surface.

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I think @Tickerguy has too much money to care about the financial impact. Nothing wrong with an entrepreneur having money though. There is evidence Seattle has big impact, if this does spread over next few months more places will slow down. Right now it seems like 95% of people believe the just like flu story. Venice is empty. Much of Asian tourist spots are empty. Almost every business in the world is cutting back on travel. I do a personal international trip every year. I doubt will happen this year. Multiply that by millions of people it is a huge impact. I am looking forward to the @Tickerguy post when we get told to wear masks as they do offer a real benefit.
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Meh.

Only if YOU are sick.

And give a **** if you infect others....

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" .... humidity around 50% drastically reduces transmission rates."

The west coast, the hot spots, the cruise ships at sea all have greater than 50% humidity.
Something does not compute.
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RE people over 65,

I do not know why people that age (65-70...and above) are expected to be that decrepit. My parents stayed in their Paris apartment well into my father's 60s. There was no elevator (200 yo building-too narrow staircase) and we lived on the 5th floor. It was right in the center of town, everything of interest accessible by foot, they liked it there. Needless to say they would climb those stairs several times a day. That was a good thing because my dad used to smoke more than a pack of cigarettes a day, and one day he walked up these stars a bit too fast and got "winded" as you say. He stopped smoking, entirely, the next day and never touched a cigarette again. He looked like he "rejuvenated" at least 20 years after that... and never got "winded" again (and no he never developed lung cancer). My mom only had knee "limitations" if walking over 4-6 miles and then climbing back home.

Rock climbers do not stop at 70.

At 70 you should be able to walk at 4 miles an hour for 15 miles+ without a "pause".

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I started the couch to 5k several years ago along with the low carb diet karl at your suggestion. It has changed my life. I have been running a 5k almost every day, 4 to 6 days a week. I take my daughters dogs with me and it is the highlight of their day also. I have been running trails lately and I plan on doing the Pa. portion of the appalachian trail this summer with the dogs. I have had asthma all my life and was told that I had signs of COPD before starting this. I will be 68 this summer. Im not worried about the virus killing me but am concerned about the economic impact on us all. Im sure that the ticker readers are ready for whatever is ahead.
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the cruise ships at sea all have greater than 50% humidity.
Something does not compute.

Cruise ships are prime vectors of oral/fecal spread. Regardless of humidity.

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From Instapundit: NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG: One slide in a leaked presentation for US hospitals reveals that theyre preparing for millions of hospitalizations as the outbreak unfolds.

https://www.businessinsider.com/presenta....



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I'm just gonna throw this out here as more along the lines of triage/first aide if you are sick.

Tickerguy is right: Get Your Ass in Shape if you can. I've been trying to jog a bit every day.

Now as for emergency field medicine. I am not a doctor, anything I say is only things I would do in a pinch, because I have done them and plan to do them again if all access to hospitals and clinics are closed and I have to help treat myself and others.

You can still get bronchial dilator is like ephedra and primatene to keep in reserve on hand. Those will temporarily help with the O2 situation however they are vasoconstrictors and will raise blood pressure, they should be used very very sparingly. Old school asthmatics keep them around as a cheaper alternative to Albuterol.

Also B Complexes tend to have similar effects on capillary dilation in the alveoli, increasing blood gas exchange. Again this isn't without it's downsides, as it's B12 I think which causes kidney strain and this virus is a bitch with what it does to your organs.

I keep a cabinet stocked with all of this stuff, including asthma inhalers and Benadryl as well. In a cytokine storm Benadryl can mean the difference between life and death.

As for Vitamin C, Linus Pauling won his Nobel Prizes for a reason. He was also a little bit mad. His cancer claims might have been conformation bias but his theories in general on C and our bodies maladaptation lacking the enzyme to synthesize it and animal bodies using it for metabolism are factually accurate.

Again I can't say 'it will cure you all' it won't.

I will say, the evidence I've seen in SARS studies is that it does help. I've also seen first hand in my own N1 study when I used it for Mono, I was back up to normal in a week when my dip**** doctor at the time told me I'd be down for a month.

No I don't keep IVs of it on hand, I just keep a ****ton of oral around. It will absorb via the gut, just takes 4 hours like water rehydration via the small intestine. Yes IV would be better but you know what would suck? Getting an infection from ****ing up a placing a needle during the apocalypse.

Yeah, I'll just eat 5 or 6 packs of emergency-c and avoid the heroin junkie tracmarks.

There is still time to do improve your health and prepare for triage/first aide, maybe even lifesaving first aide.

The dollar tree has oral rehydration solution for a dollar a bottle as well as expectorants like guafficine and Benadryl sold as a sleep aid.

Hell even having dextromethorphan and quantity on hand is helpful, because if nothing else you can get your sick people high and make them not care as much about how ****ty the situation is.

Also as a side note: keep some bleach and acetone handy, I always do.

You can make chloroform in a pinch. Not that I'd recommend it, but if society is melting down, it could come in handy.
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@Redjack

I'm in Omaha and talked to a nurse at a kids bday party my daughter was at on Friday just after the news hit about the 1st case. She was texting her friend who was a NICU nurse at the hospital this lady was admitted to. She told her that this woman was a heavy smoker, but weren't saying that to protect her. Finally tonight saw that the state "officials" finally admitted she had underlying health issues leading to her rapid regression.

And in a presser with governor this morning they said she only went to hospital because she thought she got a concussion playing basketball at the YMCA. Also said she was at a elks or vets club is event the night before the YMCA, talk about being around a demographic that is suseptible! She apparently lived in an apartment alone.... reporter asked if they had notified the others in the complex as of this morning and they hesitated and said the have not "yet" done that.

Yeah and the chicken farms around here.....they all get sent to the brand new processing plant in Fremont to be made into $4.99 Costco rotisseries! Get your COVID $4.99 on your mad rush for TP!!
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That was stunning.

Is this takeaway correct? Resign yourself to the fact that you cannot avoid being exposed to it sometime over the next 18 months. How you fare will be a function of the condition you're in (probably combined with genetics), and it may or may not be too late for you to do anything about it. Regardless, make good choices.

Municipal pools. Ugh.

Much to think about.

Thank you.

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Hi Tickerguy, long time lurker (10 years+) I know going low carb changes the metabolic reactions in your body. From memory, roughly 50% more energy per oxygen molecule - with the trade off of less peak energy. Is this correct? and if so, is it taken into account with your numbers above? Ie being low carb/keto makes you more efficient with the available oxygen?

I know that when I am low carb, I feel much more efficient with my oxygen and less likely to get out of breath. Is this just a placebo type effect?

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@Peterm99, I agree with the use of the wording, but not the part about failing the collective test. That is yet to be determined. Mistakes have been made for sure, but how we adapt our response will ultimately determine our success or failure.
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You boomers must be pissing your pants right now. We are finally going to be rid of you and your RVs, mobility scooters, and type II diabetes medicine costs sucking money out of the healthcare system.
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@Jhh -
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Hi Tickerguy, long time lurker (10 years+) I know going low carb changes the metabolic reactions in your body. From memory, roughly 50% more energy per oxygen molecule - with the trade off of less peak energy. Is this correct? and if so, is it taken into account with your numbers above? Ie being low carb/keto makes you more efficient with the available oxygen?

I know that when I am low carb, I feel much more efficient with my oxygen and less likely to get out of breath. Is this just a placebo type effect?

Well, "less peak" is not really true for 99.9% of people. Can you outperform in CERTAIN sporting events on a carb-laden diet? Sure. How many people run Olympic-level (at that level of performance) 100 meter sprints? That's what I thought.

It's not really that you're more efficient with O2 transport, it's that lipids have ~9kcal/gm where carbs and protein each have 4. So you have more energy available per unit of mass. In addition you need less water to process it, so when you shift to ketogenic function you tend to******out a couple of pounds of water right up front. That's a one-timer, however, and if you eat a few fries you'll drink it right back up.

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You boomers must be pissing your pants right now. We are finally going to be rid of you and your RVs, mobility scooters, and type II diabetes medicine costs sucking money out of the healthcare system.

Good luck with running that **** for any length of time around here.

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I am curious how being adjusted to high altitude would affect this. I normally am at 8000 ft and on the rare occasions when I go to sea level, everything is tremendously easier because of the extra oxygen.
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I'm a late bloomer almost 59. Last time I went to the doctor was at 55. Stop going to the doctor because they always want me to take drugs.

If I was using the healthcare system wouldn't I be putting money INTO the system? Asking for an older friend.

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What happens when all the people who perform routine but necessary work to keep the lights on (coal/nuclear/whatever) are dead / dying / quarantined at home?

What happens when the water main breaks and no one comes to fix, because everyone living went to college for underwater basket weaving gender studies or played sports or just sat back and collected a cheque from the government

What happens when the trucks stop delivering the food to the store?

We were probably due for another dark ages and here we stand at the door

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Another BI article-- basically a 50 y/o NY Jew lawyer is patient zero-- tied to 28 other infections. Not sure if these are clients, from temple or a mix yet.

@death-- what I find interesting is that the generation of boys from high school through college are, for the most part, total pussies. Granted there are exceptions, but there is a definite lack of testosterone in this age cohort. I have two teen boys-- I hang with these kids. It's a weird gen.

These kids can't fix ****, can't reason ****, can't even open a jar of pickles-- leaving them with deep impotency psych issues, usually coming out as keyboard death wishes to whomeverthe**** gives them the sads.

Odds death is a pasty-white twentysomething living with parents still?

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@Deathsquad1488 Congrats! My first ignore!

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@Drifter


"what I find interesting is that the generation of boys from high school through college are, for the most part, total pussies. Granted there are exceptions, but there is a definite lack of testosterone in this age cohort. I have two teen boys-- I hang with these kids. It's a weird gen."

Try homeschooling from infancy for a far superior outcome.....

@Death

It's not just the Boomers. They are just now becoming first in line. Take a good look around you next time you visit a Blue City... It a Sea of Obesity. "Over 70 million adults in U.S. are obese (35 million men and 35 million women). 99 million are overweight (45 million women and 54 million men). NHANES 2016 statistics showed that about 39.6% of American adults were obese. ... Including the obese, 71.6% of all American adults age 20 and above were overweight." .....

....and it's only getting worse.

The American body populus is a sea of fat. The American mindset is even worse, viz., a heads full of Marxist Excrement Collectivism. This = Death.

BTW: "Death", nice nom de plume, very apropos for the Malthusian & Marxist decades ahead..

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I logged in only to say to death...Right back at you dude!
And you will get there much sooner than you think. smiley
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Staying Keto over the next few months worries me. I've been Keto, at first strictly and presently for weeks at a time when I'm in need. Dropped to a new baseline weight and maintain it easily. Exercise was not a factor, although I did so regularly for many years prior to Keto and continue to do so. If Covid causes significant supply chain disruptions I think staying Keto (in terms of low carb consumption) may become quite difficult. There is only so much meat, eggs, cheese you can store and at some point consumption of shelf stable foods that do have carbs may become the only option. I really hope it does not come to that.

To that point, I think the need for exercise will become more important than ever both to keep a check on glycogen stores as well to keep your CV conditioning as high as possible to remain in the group less susceptible to a bad outcome (to Karl's point) if you do become infected. So agree 100% - regular outdoor exercise (run, bike, walk) will be your friend for the CV, calorie burning and mental benefits that we will need. As well, my 3-4 day/week weight training/cardio at the gym may need to become something I do at home/ outdoors vs. risking exposure in a public indoor setting.

Another thought - If you are out of shape and want to start, get an e-bike. Between the utility it can provide getting around, combined with the exercise benefit which you can adjust to match your ability, it may be good option.

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I agree that being in good shape generally will help, but I also think there is a genetic component of this which is related to cytokine storm (also goes by several other names). Up to 15% of the population is genetically predisposed to be challenged in this way.

Our CDC / WHO recommendations basically only include supplying oxygen and treating for sepsis (at which point you're probably already cooked.) They recommend against corticosteroids or similar treatment. There seems to be no consideration of this possible catastrophic condition. As a starting point, there are some good articles here:

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/know-more/publications/item/8909-here-s-a-playbook-for-stopping-deadly-cytokine-storm-syndrome

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02....

After being contagious for about a week (or 2), followed by a mild cold for a week, the sickness then suddenly goes from "I just have a cough" to dead in about a day. It's estimated 2/3 of the dead in Wuhan died at home.

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Uh oh. We got an 88'er.

What are you boy? A refugee from Stormfront?


That being said, a lot of octogenarian sociopaths that profess to be our rulers along with the degenerate Hollywood filth that shapes our culture may very well be disproportionately impacted by this and... I am pleased with that.
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