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2019-11-19 13:58 by Karl Denninger
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Tdurden
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The NSC is a nest of vipers that needs to be burnt to the ground. Add the state department with it. Once this impeachment bull**** is over, there had better be mass firings the next day, complete with yanking of security clearances. Anyone who hesitates for so much as a second to carry out the firings get's fired on the spot. Yeah, I know the old saw about keeping friends close and enemies closer, but this cannot be allowed to be a consequence-free event. I've said a few times, it's eventually going to come down to whose orders will the military follow. These are the ****ers that can't be anywhere in the chain of command when that day comes.

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"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some favors come with too high of a price." -Vir Cotto Babylon 5
Wifi
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Karl, is correct, UDMJ, defines the military justice system and lists criminal offenses under military law. Military members are not allowed to protest, there is a chain of command, they are not allowed to go around, unless they have proof of criminal conduct, the chain ends at the CIC. Vindmin, violated the code, it appears. He should be court martialed. This idiot, has damaged his military career, he is ****ed even if he is not court martialed.

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Frat
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Any other highlights of Vindman's "testimony?" It really just sounds like he's a partisan hack who both hates Trump and is butthurt that the president ignored his advice and experience (aka: Vindman's talking points). This ****show just keeps getting more unbelievable. Someone must be getting close to some very damning proof for the dems to be putting all their faith in this Hail Mary play.

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We're ****ed. Where's Henry Bowman when you need him?
Tickerguy
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@Frat -- I did not hear ANYTHING that came anywhere close to a claim of criminal conduct being witnessed. The bottom line was that he thought what he heard was "inappropriate", he raised hell with an appropriate legal contact within his CoC, was told he'd look at it but otherwise to shut the **** up with anyone else (duh, other than going to his direct boss up the CoC) and he DID NOT go up the chain of his CoC, he went AROUND him and, it appears, was the "Whistleblower's" direct source.

He ALSO admitted that the lack of putting "Burisma" in the transcript was not material, and further, that he did NOT attempt to put the word "demand" into the transcript either. He came up with his BELIEF that there was a "demand" based on what HE saw as the relative power differences between Ukraine and the United States.

Yep. Trump didn't adhere to "his" talking points (which he has the chain of command exactly backward; Trump sets that agenda, not him) and other similar items.

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Winding it down.
Rickysa
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I loved his argument that "demand" was implied because when in the military a request for a favor is deemed a demand. To bad that neither DJT nor Zelensky ever served, so that kinda fell on its ass.
Asimov
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I heard something about the networks realizing that that nobody cares enough to watch.

So I guess the ****show will come to a conclusion when they can't get any more media coverage.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Whossane
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He testified (paraphase) that he was concerned that Trump's attempt to encourage Ukraine to investigate the 2016 election meddling and the Biden corruption would harm Ukraine because they would lose bipartisan support.

Well what the hell does that mean? Sounds like the Democrat's and the Department of State's policy in 2019 is exactly the same as Joe Biden's in 2016.

I said, Im telling you, youre not getting the billion dollars. I said, youre not getting the billion. Im going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: Im leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, youre not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.



Tjsaid
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About Vindman lying about knowing the identity of the leaker/whistleblower...

When was Vindman asked that question? (when he responded that he didn't know?)
Because there may be a rational explanation depending on the timeline...

If contemporaneously with the call, or soon after, he did speak to the person who was in fact "The Whistleblower", he might not have known that it WAS the whistleblower. Or still may not actually KNOW that is that person because there are denials about Ciamata (sp?). It could be he suspects it. Or knows it now but not at the time he was asked (if that was in the past)

Schiff probably is preventing the deduction process to identify the whistleblower by silencing that answer about to whom Vindman spoke, because it was the whistleblower or eliminates a path to find him/her.

Tjsaid
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Also. is the Dem claim that investigating his son is equivalent to investigating a rival candidate?
Xqqme
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These side stories are interesting....
John Solomon being investigated by The Hill for his Ukraine reports.
Jim Jordan being targeted as 'allowing dozens of teenage boys to be raped and sexually abused by team doctor' (teenage boys are college students)
Over target taking flak
Tjsaid
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Ok one more...
Reading the transcript here (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-.... trying to answer my own questions...

I am wondering now if the heat applied to the Biden side of the call for investigation is to prevent the Crowdstrike investigation...

The material problem for the entire intel community to hide is how they created the false Russian collusion narrative... the Dossier. Has that part of the call been discussed? seems like biden part was a red herring and some kind of pretext to do anything possible to prevent the crowdstrike investigation, real story from coming to light!
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No, it has not in my listening thus far. You can bet they'll dance around that toadstool if AT ALL possible.

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Winding it down.
Xqqme
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You must realize that whenever you bring up Crowdstrike the phrase " debunked conspiracy theory" accompanies the name
This is a big waste of time! The House is going to vote to impeach. They don't need no steekin crime
Eleua
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The House is like a bunch of women. They need the issue, not the resolution. The power is in the nagging.

Once the House actually votes out articles, they lose 100% of the control. Keep that in mind when forming your opinion of how they will vote.

They know there is a 0.000% chance of a conviction in the Senate. All the power is in keeping it on the House side.

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"Me and my homies woulda been stackin' bodies by now."
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Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.
Themortgagedude
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The Democrats may very well hold a vote and have most of their peeps vote not to impeach. They can then state that they are fair while the Republicans are partisan. They will vote whichever way the wind blows I would assume. And the wind is blowing against impeachment right now.

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I think its time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that our founding fathers intended for us. Ronald Reagan 1964
Rickysa
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after watching that cluster****, we don't walk this back to normalcy; we don't have any chance of reclaiming our lives as we once new them.

Time to tune out, I'm done.
Tsherry
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Trump needs to burn the NSC and the State Department to the ground.

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Omne mendacium est.
Krs
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All I know is I can't wait for tomorrow, see how this Sondland squirms out of the mess he is in, I'm still thinking he's the fall guy.

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Fog, smoke, and mirrors... perhaps those tin-foil-hat wearing digital dickweeds were on to something?
Tyler Durden on the Fed Feb 28, 2013
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I think this point was brought up here in the forum a few weeks ago. It's interesting to see Jordan, Zeldin, Nunes and others challenge incompetent and disgraceful Schiff on this basic fact.
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@Jim_Jordan: Lt. Col. Vindman says he doesnt know the Whistleblowers identity. RepAdamSchiff claims he doesnt know the Whistleblowers identity. So how is asking who Lt. Col. Vindman spoke to outing the Whistleblower?

@RepLeeZeldin: If Adam Schiff & LTC Vindman dont know who the whistleblower is, how would they know that naming the one person LTC Vindman spoke to in the intelligence community would out the whistleblower?




what a maroon, what an ignoramus, what a ta-ra-ra-goon-dee-ay. This guy should be striped of all rank, dishonorably discharged and billed for the millions of tax dollars he wasted (along with his co-conspirators, the Lawfare group).

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Amused
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I'm convinced now more than ever that the purpose of the whole affair isn't to remove, it is simply to damage Trump as much as possible, or rather, let him damage himself as much as possible if you can believe the polling. The election results from the places he hit in the last few rallies showed a greater turnout for Democrats and Independents voting after he visited an area, so I think I understand the plan now.

If they are not going to get removal in the Senate, they can force those Senators in swing States that are close to face an impossible choice,******off independents that would support Impeachment or******off the base that would just as soon see blood in the streets as see Impeachment.

One thing that struck me today that Volker said, when he talked about the benefits of Sondland's Political Contacts and how Politically Appointmented Ambassadors sometimes have a more direct channel than the Career ones made me think more on something I was pondering yesterday. Making them all Political Appointments like a Spoils System invites corruption, but having them all be career people has its own issues, but maybe the system we have now really is the best compromise and is the best of all possible worlds.
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https://johnsolomonreports.com/respondin....
For the record.
Solomon's response to Vindman.
28 points include documentation backup.
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