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2019-11-18 07:35 by Karl Denninger
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(Another) Many Billion Dollar SCAM
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And here 'ya go folks....

PHILADELPHIA — Stents and coronary artery bypass surgery are no more effective than intensive drug treatment and better health habits in preventing millions of Americans from heart attacks and death, a large study found, shedding new light on a major controversy in cardiology.

Read that.

Then read it again.

Bypass surgery and stents on non-acute patients do not keep you from dying.

They may well provide tangible, documented benefit if you're having a heart attack but if not, nope.  They do relieve symptoms in people with frequent angina (pain associated with a heart condition) but do not extend life.

The reason for that is not known but it might be because the pain, if you have it, tells you to slow the hell down where without it the damage has already been done and you push yourself further, which then leads to the "big one" and you die.

Is that the bottom line?  Don't know.  But it's entirely plausible.

Thus much I can tell you for certain -- there are plenty of cardiologists and hospitals that make billions a year performing procedures that now, statistically, are shown to be worthless in terms of their primary goal -- keeping you alive.

Leaving aside monopolist pricing issues performing procedures that have a risk of killing you outright which has no statistical improvement in your lifespan is flat-out nuts and can only have one word used to describe it: Extraction.

That ought to bring prison time, not profit.

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thank you

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News of this procedure performed unnecessarily by one specific doctor at St. Joseph's Medical Center (formerly Hospital) here in MD (s)hit the fan a few years ago; do no harm my arse. Links to the Baltimore Sun's coverage & the hospital's subsequent settlement as follows, respectively:

baltimoresun.com/health/bal-heart-stent-archive-storygallery.html

baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-county/towson/bs-md-co-midei-settlement-20130502-story.html




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And instead the article pushes statins and aspirin.

Didn't they just say aspirin was worthless?

I'll keep taking it (Aspirin) anyway, I don't have any side effects (a cut takes a couple extra seconds to clot - no big deal), plus it's excellent for my other aches and pains. Also doesn't make my nephrologist twitch like Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen do. (one kidney is so tiny as to be useless, from birth)

And keep avoiding statins. Hell, even if they worked, the side effects are terrible. I tried two, before I got educated.
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If people had better health habits, especially eating LCHF, the need for meds would likely decrease if not eliminated, too.
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Careful with aspirin. It can aggravate all kinds of gastro issues. Caused problems for me, went away when I stopped taking it.

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When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.....

Sums up the a lot of the medical machination. Check up Billings = x, surgery billings = x^2 - which direction does the doc lean? couple that with a general stupidity of the populace and an inability for the patient to right their own ship and you get a cynical doc that's self interested and has zero faith the patient will follow their advice. Until this patient pays 100% of the bill, all this continues.
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I just had a cardiac calcification scan done. I was hoping to be able to donate two thirds of my liver to my brother, who has stage 5 cirrhosis due to obesity (not drinking). Alas, I am not healthy enough. I am in the 94th percentile for women my age (56) for calcification. In absolute terms (quantity of plaque) it is not terrible, but it is heart disease. So is it due to my years of periodontal disease (a version confusing even to my periodontist, now solved with 4 surgeries)? My genes (terrible in the heart disease area)? Being vegan for 19 years (but my blood sugar was 5.5 after all that, and now is 5.7; I'm not overweight)? Who knows.

The main thing I'm finding that seems to keep this from progressing (other than solving periodontal problems) is aged garlic. But maybe that is a scam; at least some of the clinical trials seem to be funded by Kyolic.

So, I wonder how many people on this site have had the calcification test done. It is useful information ( It is only $150, self-paid). As is knowing that stents are not any better than medicine.
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@Kareninca, I have not had a calcification test. But I've heard a few podcasts called "The Fat Emperor". He is big into that test. It's on iTunes and elsewhere. He's a low-carb advocate. https://thefatemperor.com/

Since you're vegan, are you eating a lot of omega-6 PUFAs (vegetable oils)? Those can wreak havoc on heart disease, gum disease, even macular degeneration.
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Meanwhile I read today that high-dosage fish oil is proving to dramatically reduce the growth of arterial plaque. And there's something--I forget exactly what it is--being tested in mice which makes it melt away.

But neither of those are likely to make as much profit for doctors as heart surgery does.
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Just went through this with my Dad about 6 months ago.

Doctor found some slight blockage and recommend bypass surgery.

He walked into the hospital for surgery...he did not leave.

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I haven't been vegan for about four years, Spence. I suppose the calcification could have happened while I was vegan. When I was vegan, the only oil I consumed was olive oil (with very rare exceptions).

I will check re the fish oil, Emg. Thanks.
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Oicu812: Sorry man.

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Oicu812, I am very, very sorry about your father.
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Quick administrative note: A banhammer was recently received by someone pushing "alternative therapies" for these conditions. The point of this article was not to draw out or debate such things for which there is a paucity, or no, scientific evidence. You get one attempt, which I simply won't approve and thus won't post.

If you cuss me out in response to that you're gone.

Anyone who has been here for any length of time ought to know that. If you're a newly-minted user, well, now you know the ROE around here.

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If one has changed to have healthy eating habits (no PUFAs nor processed foods) and has arterial plaques, or calcification, or whatever it's called that hinders bloodflow, is there anything to clean out the arteries without surgery?
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I doubt that even surgery is actually effective, except in an acute situation (e.g. heart attack) where you're dead if they don't do it right here and now.

The problem with stents is that they don't actually remove anything. The mesh and balloon inside are inserted, the balloon inflated and it mashes the mesh into the deposits, forcing them into the wall of the artery and expanding it slightly, which then is the new (artificial) permanent interior surface. However, the artificial surface is incapable of ordinary biological replacement mechanisms since it's not alive and yet if you look at any mechanical system that carries a fluid and moves it has a cycle life and will eventually fail. Living tissue mitigates this since living tissue can repair itself. Replacing the artery (e.g. with a piece of one from your leg) is likely more-effective since that's living tissue and thus participates in the biological repair process but has its own set of risks since scar tissue is inevitable at the junctions of old and replacement and that's not a good recipe for the future given what happens if any of that gets loose in your circulation.

BUT if the alternative is immediate death, well, then there really isn't a choice, right?

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