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2019-11-18 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Sweet Jesus....

Prince Andrew, Duke of York, has broken his silence on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal in an interview with the BBC. Until now, Andrew - who has strongly denied claims that he had sex with Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre (nee Roberts) - had only released statements on the issue through Buckingham Palace’s press office.

Uh huh.

If you didn't watch it I hope you are both sober and sitting down if you do -- you might shoot your television, smash it with something heavy, or fall over with a stroke watching this bullcrap nonsense.

This man is, in my opinion, 100% full of crap and his "interview" is one of the worst public performances of someone accused of a heinous act that I've ever seen, right up there with this one.

That, of course, was later proved to be complete crap when the blue dress showed up splayed with Bill Clinton's jizz.

Then there's the true crazy -- that Andrew claims he was at a pizza place with Beatrice on the day in question.  The irony of that precise claim, never mind the alleged purpose and such of a royal going to a pizza place with his daughter, is amusing.  So is the alleged alibi, since such a trip would presumably be in the afternoon and the encounter in question allegedly took place in the evening.  Oh, and he admits that his wife was not home -- so if he came home later smelling like some other woman she wouldn't know.

And yes, royals do have "minders" who could be watching kids during the evening and in fact typically do, do they not?  Oops.

You believe whatever you want.  What I believe is that he's a creep, he voluntarily associated with Epstein including after he was arrested and thus Andrew knew he was involved in trafficking young girls, and then there is the picture that appears to show him with his arm around her.

Proof of guilt?  No, but there's a hell of a lot of smoke, and further, if you think everyone and their brother in the media isn't going to dig into the claim about a pizza joint -- oh, well, yes they will, and yes there damn well ought to be evidence of that somewhere, if indeed it happened.

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Wait a minute, I think I saw him at that pizza place! did he have a crown on his head? I'm sure I saw him! Oh wait that was Burger King... is he sure that he wasn't at Burger King?
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His publicity guy quit over this interview.

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Maybe he was at Comet Pizza having a pie with John Podesta.
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The specificity of a pizza joint is two-fold: 1. he's obliquely referencing Pizzagate so he can claim it's an ongoing conspiracy theory if it goes further and 2. he's signalling to co-conspirators that he will bring them all down if they don't get him out of this predicament. Conspiracy or not, pizza (and pizza party) is common enough code to speak openly to both sides while taking cover behind the conspiracy claims.
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This doesn't jog his memory?
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In a BBC article, this pic was placed right below the interviewer asking him a second time if he'd even met the girl.

Interviewer didn't say, "well, we have this photograph of you with her right here".

What a bunch of cowards.
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Lots to unpick in this interview, he never mentions the victim by name (distancing behaviour), nor does he show empathy to the victims and his body language was evasive.

Beggars belief that he made contact again with a convicted sex offender, for the claimed purpose of ending their relationship over a 4 days stay with young girls present.

Why did he do the interview? It wasnt a train wreck...it was a dumpster fire with cherries on top.

My only guess is that there is FAR worse to come and this caused him to make a desperate attempt to draw a line under the matter. He failed.
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He said that photo is fake.

His PR guy quit. Last seen running for the hills saying "OMG what did that Jackass just do??!?"

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But...but.. he is a war hero.

He was flying his helicopter as a decoy for Exocet Missiles, to protect the Royal Navy ships...



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Prince Andrew has now confirmed what was suspected; that he's not very smart.

My question is, how did this stupid idea make it through the many levels of royal beaurocracy?

Regardless of the cause, Epstein is dead. It makes me wonder why and of what they are all still afraid.

There must be a lot of loose ends left hanging out there.

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If you read it really carefully it is even worse. He basically claimed he associated with this creep because he is so LOYAL and NOBLE and HONORABLE.
He's a legend in his own mind. He'd have been better off to laugh at it and say screw you - royalty has always had privilege.
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My question is, how did this stupid idea make it through the many levels of royal beaurocracy?


It didn't. His PR guy resigned over it. This is the future king making decisions. Historically, kings haven't always been the sharpest spoon in the drawer.

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Pizza is pretty much established code for raping little girls, hot dog party for raping little boys.

This weirdly specific detail is this child raper either laughing in our faces about his evil, and/or a warning to other pedos that if he goes down, he takes a lot of others with him.

From the Podesta emails:

Get ready for "Chicago Hot Dog Friday"

I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in
pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long
ago, assume we are using the same channels?

*A channel? What? A channel is used usually to intimate something illicit, something established to circumvent control or observation*

RE: Get ready for "Chicago Hot Dog Friday"


If we get the same "waitresses," I'm all for it!!!


Aaric S. Eisenstein

*Why the **** would waitresses be in quotes?*

Then you have the royals recent interview where he says he was at a pizza place. Weirdly specific - and his way of openly laughing at YOU dear reader, you who aren't in on the gag, or perhaps an open public warning to his fellows that if he goes down, then he takes some with him?

Imo you need to realize two things - one, your government is literally run by another (something) for it's benefit and NOT YOURS, and one of the primary control levers on those in power is the LOVE to******children, OR they're being blackmailed via video of them doing the same, or lesser blackmail.

But I think we can all agree the most powerful and visceral lever would be pederasty; any sane human reacts with rage and disgust at such behavior thus it makes the best control lever.

You don't realize these facts by now, I doubt you ever will.


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Living proof that we aren't lead by the best or brightest. So why are we lead by people like him? Why do people follow them, defer to
them? He has done the world an enormous service by putting on display his utter stupidity and lack of any kind of positive value.
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Asimov wrote..
This is the future king making decisions.
No, it's not.

While technically, he is in the line of succession, it is extremely unlikely. He will NEVER be king, unless Charles, William, William's children, Harry, and Harry's child all die first.

Of course, none of those seem to be noticeably brighter than Andrew, so one can't really say that the monarchy is any more viable because of that.

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The UK is an island in the North Atlantic of no real importance. At least anymore.

Why the people there continue to pay for the Monarchy's lifestyle is beyond me.

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Such a shame that it wasn't Paxman doing the interview.
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Yeah, the way he somehow contorted his post-conviction stay at Epstein's NYC home as being "honorable", and then he blamed himself for his "honorability" being too excessive was the money shot for me.

Proof that he is WAY out of touch with reality.

It's also factually challenged... The royal family already has existing residency annex arrangements in NYC. The argument that his choosing to stay at Epstein's is clearly NOT one where simplified logistics was the rationale.

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To put it mildly, he doesn't seem particularly adroit with the press. He does seem as if he has been counselled to avoid explicitly accusing others of perjury or fraud. He chooses for some unfathomable reason to find detailed answers to questions which one might think he should feel no need to answer, but perhaps that is his character.

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I don't believe that photo was taken in the way that was suggested


This, and the rest of his commentary on same, does lead me to wonder whether it was simply that he was avoiding the accusation of forgery/fraud, or whether he truly believes that the source images (whether accurate or assembled) were captured by a concealed camera.

But either way, I do come away believing that he lied inasmuch as he clearly did not tell the whole truth, not to mention that he clearly was misleading about his motivations and feelings regarding Epstein and about staying with Epstein. I am not persuaded as to whether he lied about the sexual encounters, but he was clearly deceitful about various aspects of it, such as the nightclub.

Overall, I found the fact that the interviewer couldn't be bothered to button up her tunic to be far more off-putting than any single thing he said. But notwithstanding any single thing he said or didn't say, the totality of his interview paints a picture of a terribly inept chap who is concealing something very significant.

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Peter: Oh, I didn't realize he was that far from the throne. I guess he gets to be the embarrassing brother-of-the-king.

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Yeah he's several layers off -- an effective zero chance of ever being King.

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Lemonaid wrote..
Why the people there continue to pay for the Monarchy's lifestyle is beyond me.
Although I consider the very concept of "royalty" to be completely abhorrent, it may just be that it's not all bad in the case of the Brits.

Some time ago (decades?), I read an article that claimed that an objective financial cost/benefit analysis associated with the British monarchy showed that it was a net positive, i.e., the monarchy generated more money for the UK (e.g., from tourists interested in the "royals", etc, etc.) than it cost the Brits to support them. I have never heard of any analysis claiming the opposite.

Obviously, I cannot vouch for either the objectivity or the correctness of any such studies/analyses.

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Sounds like bull**** to me Peter.


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@Lemonaid - I honestly don't know if it is or isn't BS - both sides of the argument have their own agendas.

Excerpts from a 2018 article in the UK's Independent newspaper: (emphases are mine}
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Direct funding to meet the monarchys official expenditure is now through something called the Sovereign Grant. . .In 2016-17 the Sovereign Grant was 42.8m, rising to 76m in 2017-18, with the increase earmarked for refurbishing Buckingham Palace. . . However, this does not include the security costs of looking after the family.

One republican pressure group has estimated that these add up to 100m a year and help push the actual annual public cost of the monarchy closer to 350m.
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. . . a consultancy called Brand Finance estimated in 2017 that the monarchys annual contribution to the UK economy to be around 1.8bn a year, drawing in an additional 550m of tourism revenues a year, and an increase in trade, from the Royal Family acting as ambassadors, supposedly worth 150m a year.


IF that is to be believed, the royals contribute ~ 5 times as much to the economy as they cost the Brit taxpayer.

(note HTTPS link: www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/royal-wedding-family-how-much-uk-economy-benefits-cost-meghan-markle-expense-a8345436.html)

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