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Amused
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Stee_man: don't get me started on the Rents...

40% of California is owned by the Federal Government, another 20% is locked up in State Wilderness preserves.

when you take 60% of any commodity off the market what does that do to the price of the remaining 40%?

Of course the owners don't want their values ever go down because they see their home as an investment rather than a durable good.

And the environmentalists would have a conniption if that 60% of the land was ever put on the market.

We could solve the problem in fairly short order the by putting that federal land in a Homestead Act sort of program.
Mangymutt
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Where the HELL is FERC and NERC and other power company regulators?


https://www.ferc.gov/enforcement/enforce....
"FERCs Enforcement program focuses on four priorities:

*Fraud and market manipulation
*Anticompetitive conduct
*Serious violations of the electric reliability standards
*Conduct that threatens the transparency of regulated markets"


https://www.nerc.com/pa/Stand/Pages/defa....

"NERC Reliability Standards define the reliability requirements for planning and operating the North American bulk power system and are developed using a results-based approach that focuses on performance, risk management, and entity capabilities."

I assume they are too busy watching porn like their brothers and sisters (And those too confused to know if they have a dick) in the SEC.

To have a spot power outage, especially during adverse conditions is somewhat to be expected. To shut off power indefinitely because there might be a possibility of adverse conditions, is criminal.

As a society we take for granted flipping a switch and having light, or pushing a button and having our coffee brew. How many things do we learn to turn off after using them because of the inherent danger of leaving them on all day or night? How many things do we use that can cause harm if not shut down or start up unexpectedly? Oh there will be great inconvenience do to this, but how many injuries, deaths, or lose of property will be a direct result of PG&E and the regulators not doing what they are charged with doing?

Ever own a business and set the alarm at night? You need electricity for that. You can't tell me bad guys and gals are not salivating at the chance to cause mayhem. How many drivers know the rules of the road and are willing to be civil to other drivers or pedestrians?

There is no excuse for this and the fine folks that get paid lots of money at the regulatory departments should have at least a half ass plan to take care of this. But apparently they don't.
Asimov
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We'll all be wishing we lived in a first world nation before long.

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Indeed.

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Quik49
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And how does this affect other infrastructures....water...sewer...gas....they are ****ed.

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Peterm99
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Look on the bright side:

At least this will make even the most ardent "environmentalist" think twice about buying a Tesla or other EV. smiley.

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Captainkidd
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Poor Tesla owners.....

But, on the bright side, PG&E might be preventing a few fires there, too.

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Quick - Gravity fed water should be ok. But many larger cities rely on pumps and I would guess with SF having all them hills they would use quite a few.

Most sewer systems have overflow ponds, (No, I do NOT mean the streets of SF) but that would only have a limited capacity.

If you do not have gas, you will need funnel, length of hose, a storage vessel and a screw driver. Go to Walmart, find a car with decent clearance, grab your supplies, crawl under the car, use your screw driver to poke a hole in the gas tank and wait for it to drain.

PRO TIP!!!! Only light up a ciggy AFTER you are clear.
Redjack
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Shirt tail relations out there. Some are finally looking at getting out after 40 years.

Any guess on how many people will die? For that matter, how long till riots?

My cousin said it might be weeks!
Redjack
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A former employer has a plant that is possibly going to be affected. Full power loss, and the $100 million dollar asset is worth scarp after four days.

A former coworker texted me "Cali don't care!" There are teams of people staging to try to save it, but after the power is cut the natural gas will stop (no pumping stations), so even the temp heating to save SOMETHING will be gone.

They will not rebuild, but move the plant or expand others. SO that is 400 jobs gone in the area.
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Wait -- WTAF?

Nat gas pipelines can run off their own supply... you're ****ting me; they converted (for greenie reasons) to full-electric for booster pumps?

Well then whoever owns that place is full of **** for staying there and I hope they ****ing lose EVERY ******N PENNY.

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Robc
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Even better is the idiots mandated that if there is no electrical service that any solar panels are automatically disconnected. Not that the system is disconnected from the grid so you don't zap linesmen when they are working on the lines, but literally that the solar panels can't even feed your battery bank if there isn't utility power. They also mandate utility hookups. It is illegal to build an off grid home in Cali if a utility hookup is available.
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Nice...

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the idiots mandated that if there is no electrical service that any solar panels are automatically disconnected. Not that the system is disconnected from the grid so you don't zap linesmen when they are working on the lines, but literally that the solar panels can't even feed your battery bank if there isn't utility power. They also mandate utility hookups.

In other words another form of slavery.

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Thie debacle in Kali just gives me the warm giggles. Oh, and I've laid in a supply of popcorn too! They've done it to themselves and it will be fun watching the finger pointing and the manifestation of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

The tree-huggers and lefties won't know whether to **** or go blind! It would be good to have extra rental trucks and trailers prepositioned there to handle the exodus. Pretty soon even the illegals won't want to stay.

I'm still too close (PNW) to feel really good about that but it just can't happen to a more deserving group!
Amused
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I don't think that part is true, at least for all of California.

I know people that have battery backups and are grid-tied. You just have to have a smart inverter that will cut the line and switch to your battery bank.

At least for SDGE when they approve your solar system plans, one of the models I've seen allow for grid-tied with the smart inverter and a powerwall.

PG&E though might be stupid...
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So does California, go dark, freezers thaw, sewers back up, fires flare up anyhow, people's anger flares up , and we see some uncivil disobedience?


Electric Boogaloo, for real.

Could this be the final Straw and Jefferson secedes from the rest of CA?

That seems to be the only way it gets resolved.

The affected areas have to go their own way.


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Asimov
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They also mandate utility hookups. It is illegal to build an off grid home in Cali if a utility hookup is available.


*Blink*

That may not be the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but it's particularly difficult to understand why they would do that.

What, exactly, was the reasoning when they mandated THAT bit of idiocy? Oh, wait, lemme guess... It's for the children? Or did the pg&e decide they would throw a few million at politicians so that they wouldn't loose a few thousand from these homes?

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Whitehat
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perhaps this also serves as a dry run to prepare them for the rolling blackouts destined to be caused by green power schemes, the expansion of electric vehicles and other bull****.

on another note, from having family that lived there decades ago, fires are possible due to conditions and the spark is less of an issue as opposed to mitigating the effects of the fires or managing land to prevent them. if you build in a fire zone, it is only a matter of time before the great barbecue.

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Asimov
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Didn't realize how widespread this was.

https://www.kqed.org/science/1948809/sea....
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Jrminter
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Up here in Western NY we get windstorms and occasionally early winter blizzards when the leaves are still on the trees. Like some of the other posters, our subdivision has underground utilities and falling trees occasionally take out the above ground feeder lines. The last big one for us took out power for 4 days in winter. We had the food from our freezer in the garage (it was below freezing) and by day 4 we could leave the milk on the counter in the kitchen which was 40 degrees. At least we had natural gas for cooking. We had sleeping bags in our beds. Bailing out (by hand) the sump in the basement every 8 hours was a major pain...

On day 4 we went to a laundromat that had power and to a grocery store with power. On our way home we were so happy to see the Canadian power crew that came down to help. We had power back that afternoon.

Now we have a whole house generator that runs on natural gas....
Bodhi
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Supertruckertom wrote..
So does California, go dark, freezers thaw, sewers back up, fires flare up anyhow, people's anger flares up , and we see some uncivil disobedience?


Electric Boogaloo, for real.

Could this be the final Straw and Jefferson secedes from the rest of CA?

That seems to be the only way it gets resolved.

The affected areas have to go their own way.


I visited Coos Bay, OR about a month ago. One day I wore my State of Jefferson t-shirt and got a lot of thumbs up from the locals.

 
Quik49
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Wow Asi...that's nuts.... Napa in it....bet those wine producers are happy....

looks like Oakland is safe...can you imagine Lootie in that situation

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Quik49
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PGE down 30% today

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Tickerguy
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If you're on a sewer system in such an area and the power is off for any material length of time you go to the cleanout at your home, remove the plug and insert DOWNSTREAM a plug you can later remove.

Then DO NOT use any drain in the house.

This will prevent the sewer from backing up INTO YOUR HOUSE.

Of course that doesn't help with your ability to flush a toilet or drain your own shower, but there's no answer to that if the system is down -- and this, at least, prevents your NEIGHBOR from ****ing you (unintentionally or not.)

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