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2019-08-09 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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What do I call this?

U.S. immigration officials say raids at seven food processing plants in Mississippi resulted in 680 arrests.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Acting Director Matthew Albence told The Associated Press that the arrest count from Wednesday’s raids may make it the largest workplace sting in more than a decade and probably the largest ever for a single state.

A good start -- now add four zeros to that number and I'll be impressed.

That, by the way, will still only be about a third of the illegal invaders in this country today.

The trope run by CNN is "oh you terrible monsters!"

Elizabeth Iraheta told CNN she shared the video so people would see what was happening at the plant, where she said she's worked legally for 19 years. It was devastating, Iraheta said, to see family and friends suffering "just for coming to work hard in this country, and to see so many families separated."

Uh huh.

If I rob a bank and have an 11 year old child, I will be separated from said child.  Said child will likely be placed permanently under someone else's care.  Why?  Because I'm a criminal, that's why.

If you don't want to be separated from your children don't commit crimes.

Coming into the US illegally and working illegally are crimes.  They should be crimes.  The reason said people are hired is inherently coercive; the employers hire them because they don't pay all or any of the taxes that are levied on legitimate US citizens and those with green cards and in addition if you're here illegally you obviously can't call the cops, the labor department or similar to complain about things like unsafe working conditions, sexual harassment, sexual assault, being shorted on your wages and hours and other unlawful acts that employers do sometimes commit against employees.

There is no reason for US employers to hire illegals except for one of those above purposes.  Hiring legal US immigrants and citizens requires you follow the law because they can (and will!) complain if you don't.

Congress could put a stop to this instantly and so could the Executive.  Both could insist on 100% compliance with E-Verify before anyone is hired with all 941 transmissions (which go in with your federal tax deposits) having the E-Verify control number associated with every employee.  Omission or failure to report an employee can be defined as a criminal felony carrying a prison sentence and 300% fine of all taxes not collected, wages not paid and similar.  Such a change would ruin the agricultural sector companies that cheat, while having exactly zero impact on those who hire legal immigrants and citizens.

These business people who are engaged in these practices not only screw their employees they screw their competitors who follow the law, along with screwing all the other people in the area who would otherwise be able to obtain employment at lawful wages and under lawful working conditions.  There are millions of Americans, whether native-born or immigrant, green card holders or citizens, who are intentionally displaced out of those jobs by these jackasses and every one of these firms deserves to be shut down, their owners and executives imprisoned and their buildings seized and burnt to ash.

The people impacted by this on the labor market side are nearly all comprised of those on the lower end of the skill and ability bell curves.  These are the very people who must have legitimate, lawful and productive work available to be had or we wind up creating despondent, desperate people who cannot manage to keep their heads above water and either turn to drugs and alcohol or worse, decide to shoot up WalMarts and downtown party districts.

The incentives to cheat for any business are immense.  This is simply a function of economics; labor is always one of the biggest expenses in any business, large or small.  If you can remove someone's ability to complain and screw them either on working conditions, wages or hours there is a tremendous financial incentive to do so.  If your competitors are all doing it and you don't you'll go bankrupt.  The blame for those bankruptcies lies in the 536 **********s in Washington DC who collectively refuse to demand that this crap stop and the state and local legislatures, governors and so-called "law enforcement" who willfully and intentionally overlook the lawless nature of these firms, executives and their labor practices, even lauding them as "pillars of the community."  To this we can add the media such as CNN that glorify the status of people who come here illegally and by implication glorifies those employers who break the law and abuse them for profit.

This must be fixed and no, ~600-odd arrests will not do it.  We need ten thousand times that number of arrests or simply make clear that the busts start tomorrow, there will be 10,000 of them a day, and if you wish to recant and pay all the back taxes along with firing every illegal you have employed whether it be in landscaping, construction, agricultural work or otherwise you have 24 hours to comply and pay all the back taxes or your ass is going to PRISON.

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Jal
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"The incentives to cheat for any business are immense"

I guess that there will be 7 food processing plant closing.


Do other countries use "illegals" or different methods "to cheat"?

Are business owners more honest in other countries?


I'm assuming that there are a lot of changes coming in our social/economic systems.
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The Feds must hit the Employers the hardest.
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But then they released about half of them on "humanitarian" grounds. Trump is completely worthless like all the other politicians.
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Just fine the owners the maximum. And move on to the next one. In three weeks problem will be solved.

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To make your analogy clear, the criminal brought the 11 year old to the bank robbery and then used the child as a human shield to avoid getting shot by cops.
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680 counts of aiding and abetting after the fact.
680 counts of accessory to tax fraud.
680 counts of illegal employment.
Against the CEO(s).
And the HR managers.
Jail the CEO(s)
And the HR managers

Fine the companies the maximum for each count.

Problem will go away.

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Azengrcat - And pimped the child out to force the tax payers into buying her food and paying for her rent.

The 11 year old child is also bringing diseases they will share with your child while in school.

There is a decent chance the 11 year old child isn't even biologically related to the arrested parent.

The 11 year old child might not want to be here in the first place.

The 11 year old child can also work the fields - For Free.

The 11 year old child can also be exposed to sex trafficking.

Who knew an 11 year old child could have so much value?
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If the left really gave a flying **** about illegal immigrants.. ONE paragraph of what you posted is all that needs to be said and they would stop the BS. I say that as an immigrant (legal). It is NOT compassion to let illegals come and stay, it's cruel to the illegals and makes them live under a lawless structure that in NO way should be acceptable in any first world country let alone the "land of the free" because Illegals are anything but free, they are committing a crime to be here yes, and some % are scum, the vast majority however are now good people in a VERY bad situation. It's time to be honest about the fact that immigration round ups, while not "nice" are in fact nicer than what a very large % of illegals have to deal with on a daily basis because they have no real protection and are preyed upon.

"Coming into the US illegally and working illegally are crimes. They should be crimes. The reason said people are hired is inherently coercive; the employers hire them because they don't pay all or any of the taxes that are levied on legitimate US citizens and those with green cards and in addition if you're here illegally you obviously can't call the cops, the labor department or similar to complain about things like unsafe working conditions, sexual harassment, sexual assault, being shorted on your wages and hours and other unlawful acts that employers do sometimes commit against employees."
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@Jal, they will have their workforce replenished in a week. With mostly illegals.

Frankly, for the business, it's still worth the risk. What % of businesses that hire illegals get busted per year? In Arizona that's gotta be a negative integer. Blind eyes at every level.

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Just fine the owners the maximum. And move on to the next one. In three weeks problem will be solved.


I am not against a fine....it needs to be BIG, though. What I really would like is jail time for the CEO/Executive/etc. of said company if they have been found to hire illegals without doing due diligence in verifying qualification for hire status.
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A fine is just a slap on the wrist, and the cost is passed on to the customer and considered "cost of doing business". Just look at some of the recent big pharma fines, what a laugh. There need to be real consequences, such as prison, as Karl has said many times. Responsibility starts at the top, IMO.

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You have to throw them in prison.

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You might understand them running an operation like this in a high wage cost place, but Mississippi? Amazing the same people who want a $15 minimum wage, bargain to bring people in that, if allowed, would work for $4 an hour.

Note they always go to the children. These are the same people that have no problem butchering babies that are about to be born. Nothing is said about the exposure these people create for themselves, that affects their children. There is no telling how much white slavery is going on in these instances.

I happen to like most Mexicans. But, I can separate the person from the situation. I grew up with people I liked that ended up in prison. They earned their way there. Crossing the border without permission is against the law in every country on Earth. Try it some time.

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@Mannfm11 -- Yep - cross the border the other way and you will have a Mexican Federale with his gun up your nose in minutes. You WILL go to jail and you WILL NOT be released on an "appearance" ticket either.

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Tickerguy wrote..
You have to throw them in prison.


Or hang 'em.

Just sayin'...

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Jack, the equipment for knifing or stoning them would more likely be easier to obtain than a stout long rope and big tree or tall lamppost. Defenestration from at least fifteen feet could also produce a desired result, though the higher the start, the less likely the result will maim and the more likely it will be fatal. Unlike gallows, no specialised structures are needed, as the building has already been constructed. If conducted at a busy city intersection, the start can be witnessed by a multitude with only those with an unobstructed view of the point of impact would be able to see the carnage.

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