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2019-07-29 09:36 by Karl Denninger
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I've seen a lot of schemes in my years.

I've seen plenty of people try to profit off tragedy.

Occasionally it actually does the people harmed some good (e.g. selling generators at a crazy markup after a hurricane; at least the people who overpay have a generator where before they did not.)

But this is one of the most-outrageous things I've seen to date -- and Scott Adams is one of the people with a direct financial interest in the "app" in question.

 

Needless to say he got a lot of pushback on that.  And that was probably the real point of his doing it -- generate "buzz" for what looks an awful lot like a moribund has-been cryptocurrency play (oh yes, there's one embedded in there -- of course.)  All publicity is good publicity, right Scott?

I used to find Dilbert funny.  I no longer do because now I know something about the jackass behind the keyboard drawing the strip, and it makes me want to vomit.  Cartoonists come in many forms and fashions.  Some are good at making you laugh, some are satire factories and some go into biting sarcasm, especially in the political realm.  The usefulness of all three is not in question; the craft has been around since the first publications that could reproduce hand-drawn artwork.

And let's not kid ourselves: Scott Adams has certainly monetized himself, self-styling himself as highly knowledgeable in the "art of persuasion", specifically centered around Trump's election.  Of course he certainly has, from available evidence, managed to persuade someone young enough to be his daughter to date him.  Money has a way of doing that, if you're so-inclined.

This side of the coin is simply the converse of the grievance industry that exploded into relevance on the left after 2016; that has made plenty of people rich too.  Rather than invent something useful we now are reduced to making money off other people's misery as the best and highest calling in our society.  This is just the latest example but Scott did one very useful thing with this display in that he marked his true intent, top to bottom, in indelible ink.

Make Adams draw Dilbert again -- and only for himself, as every newspaper is pressured to drop the strip.

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Wowser!

Lost all respect for him...
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/nod that's ****.

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What a dick...

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I always thought a nullmodem would be more useful.
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Real POS lost every ounce of credibility he once had.

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What an unbelievably ****ty thing to do.

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@Tsherry -- I suspect "Whenyour****ed" is what this is turning out to be -- an expected cash cow that turns out to in fact be a bull with teats that produces nothing.

He's been shilling that crap on Twatter for a good while now; in point of fact I suspect the entire point of him being on there is do exactly that. He's never disclosed to my knowledge exactly how much of it he owns or how much of his skin is in the game -- it's not at all hard, with a bit of celebrity, to have the figures be "X% and 0%" respectively -- or it might be something with a bit more sting to it if it turns out to be a zero.

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(previous post incomplete - please delete)

I've been following the podcast for a while. Most of it is defensible. The whenhub plugs are obvious and I never mind. The app could be useful to some.

The crypto play I never quite understood, including bringing in some "teen crypto genius" for a call. I can imagine hyping something up to cash out before a crash. I cannot understand doing so when you already have **** you money and are in your 60s.

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Maurevel: Because sociopaths always want to rack up a bigger score, in this case it is dollars. It doesn't matter if it is a scam, all the matters is that the score increase.

Scott Adams like a lot of other successful people, fit this mold. You have to have a degree of emotional detachment to put the energy and attention in exclusively in to your work and not get bogged down in relationships and other humans.

Not that you can't get rich or anyone who works hard is automatically a sociopath, but certain traits and behaviors favor certain outcomes quite often.

This is why you will always see **** like this from some in a cert group
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I hope when people see this they decide not to do business with this prick. He's not even a big fat prick. Just a skinny noodle that deserves all the hate and ridicule coming his way.

Die Dilbert Die..... Sorry I ever read that comic.

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When he first created that app, I could see this coming, and pretty much tuned him out at that point.

But trying to monetize this just prove a lack of a moral compass, and quite effectively. I sorta look at life these days through my parent's eyes. If they would have been mortified, I probably should be as well. Despite their (normal, numerous) human faults, this would not have been something they would've condoned.

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I listened to Scott's show today. He noted that he put out a similar tweet when the helicopter crashed in NY a couple months ago, killing the pilot, and didn't get a single complaint.

Cernovich points out that the corporate media is also for-profit and nobody complains when they seek out witnesses to shootings. I agree, everyone first heard about this on a for-profit media outlet like FOX or CNN selling ads.

 
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@Spence -- Sorry, no equivalence.

I missed his attempt to shill when the chopper went down; if I hadn't I would have excoriated him at the time on that one too. But while "if it bleeds it leads" is a well-known mantra among news organizations there is a monstrous difference in character between an accident (whether born out of stupidity or not) and an inherently criminal, depraved act.

Paying sources, especially during or immediately after an event is inherently dirty and leads directly to ****. While the corporate media is certainly for-profit they don't pay the witnesses who they interview and P&G doesn't target diaper ads on segments which feature mass-shootings. If you pay a witness at a trial it has to be disclosed and if that's all you got you've got a pretty good chance of an acquittal -- the legal process recognizes that this is a transaction that contains inherent vice and thus is inherently untrustworthy.

Secondary to that is the inherent vice in all "crypto" nonsense. The entire premise of the so-called "interface" is queered by the token bull****. There's nothing wrong with paying people for consulting work (gee, that's only as old as Christ and awfully close to being as old as prostitution) BUT adding the cryptotoken aspect to it makes the person on the "platform" not actually selling a service for a given amount of money, but rather that is the secondary activity since the price is not actually known and there is a hidden, but present, commission structure inuring to the founders. At least with scams like Bitfraud the scheme is in the open since it's the proclaimed purpose of the token. In THIS instance that is not the case and yet it's hidden; the so-called "experts" on the platform price in dollars yet they're not dollars; the announcement SPECIFICALLY STATES that "Experts who earn WHEN tokens will want those tokens to increase in value." (https://cointelegraph.com/press-releases....

Subtract the token nonsense and I'm willing to bet that gee, it would have never been created. Ergo, the point isn't to "sell expertise", it's to gamble, which means you're not really buying and selling said "expertise" at all; that's merely a convenient sideshow. This in turn means that in the context of a mass-shooting, you want to be present at one so you can gamble in Scott Adams' cryptoscheme. And let's not kid anyone here -- it's his cryptoscheme according to the launch announcement.

Adams says when queried that he's "part" of this and yet according to the launch article he's (1) a co-founder, (2) chief strategy officer and (3) the primary (and quite-possibly only) source of the platform's seed capital (e.g. without him it wouldn't exist.)

Still comfortable with that since we've now taken exploiting human tragedy caused by felonious criminal misconduct and added in gambling on it?

Adams got ratioed on this one and for good reason; I clearly wasn't the only one who found it extraordinarily offensive.

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@Tickerguy - Good point about the problem with paying sources! His tool has the option to set your price to zero for news tips, in which case he makes nothing. He probably should have forced that for news tips.

I've been skeptical of his tool for consulting expertise. I think it's prone to con men. They will read the wikipedia page for arthritis, for example, and then become an expert consultant. His tool does give the first minute or something for free so you can 'vet' the expert. Really?

I am a total skeptic on cryto-currency so I've completely ignored that part. But what you say makes sense, it does sound fraudulent.

I like a lot of what Scott talks about but boy, does he go off on some bizarre areas that makes him look nutty. He made the case on why trannies should be allowed to play girl's sports which was bizarre reasoning. He took calls on that and every one thought it was a nutty argument. He also goes off on artificial human consciousness and makes some really uninformed arguments on that. I'm no expert, but I've read enough about it to know he should study that some more before he opens his yap.

The other thing he's been pushing is Bill Pulte's (heir to Pulte Homes) push for #TwitterPhilanthropy. Pulte is giving away money to people including veterans that have a hard luck story on Twitter. Well that seems nice, but if he keeps it up there will be a lot of con men rushing to cash in on that.

The TV show "Sneaky Pete" is a pretty good look at con men.
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@Spence -- The test for anything with "crypto" as a part of it is simple; remove the crypto element, transact in actual currency and see if the business model still works. If it does there's a business there. If it doesn't then it's a carrier for a virus -- in other words, a scam.

There's a reason regulators have historically looked very sideways at any sort of real company selling real products and services owning a payment system of any sort. WalMart (and Home Depot) both tried for a long time to get a bank charter and kept getting told to **** goats. With good reason.

Now add the speculative (not just "who we fund and on what terms") aspect of cryptoscams to it and you have a much bigger can of worms. That **** should have brought INSTANT regulatory scrutiny and a slammed door on Adams' dick, severing it along with his "investment" in this thing -- for the very same reason.

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