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2019-06-06 10:19 by Karl Denninger
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The Magic 8 Ball Says: War
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It rapidly appears we are running out of options.

Unfortunately war is part of the human condition.  It arises from an unwillingness to leave freedom of speech and association alone, or a demand that someone give you that which you cannot freely negotiate for (because the other party says "no", which incidentally their right to do.)

Sometimes nations "decide" they want to rule by other than consent.  Sometimes they decide they want land that isn't theirs, or the resources on or under that land.

And sometimes Marxists who organize into "companies" or "associations" and then both demand that you kowtow to some sort of belief set while, having acquired sufficient power, acting to silence those who disagree.

The radical left-facing tech firms have lost their minds and are going to provoke a war.  A real war.  At the same time Youtube thinks Crowder should not be able to say what he thinks, never mind a whole bunch of other people, they apparently are peddling videos full of kids to child molesters.  Of course this is all an "algorithm" they say, just like the big Usenet houses all said there was "no intent" to peddle kiddie porn and ripped off scans of naked men and women in the 1990s even though they were buying 10x as much disk storage, computer processing power and network bandwidth to provide it.

Sure they weren't doing it on purpose.....  Of course the purpose was to make money, but does that make it ok?

Everyone acts as though these big firms who have no effective competition and destroy anyone who attempts to set up a competitor by buying them or stealing their ideas have the "right" to de-monetize or even ban certain creators.  Really?  Do you, if you're the only grocery store in town, have the right to ban white people or those who say "Trump" at some point?

"But that's different!" you exclaim!

No, it isn't.

Crowder only has ads on his channel from people who want to buy ads on his channel.  By definition they're ok with the content there.  Those who watch his channel are ok with the content there too.  So what's the problem?

The problem is that these people have decided that you have no right to LIVE if you disagree with them.

Well, that's a very "nice" sentiment but I think it's rather obvious to anyone with an IQ larger than my shoe size that this position, unless it stops right damn now, is inevitably going to lead to a no-bull**** shooting war.

Tell someone who disagrees with you that because they do -- they simply hold different views and wish to speak of them -- that you're going to try to dispossess them of the ability to earn a living and you should expect violence in response.  What other option do you give them?

Those people are exactly identical to those who burned witches: "Repent or die!"

War is a part of the human condition and when it arises because you try to kill lots of "someone else's" because they simply disagree with your point of view, well, you tell me who the real aggressor is.

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Radiosity
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Remove someone's ability to speak and all you leave is violence. There's a damn good reason Amendment #2 follows #1, because you need to defend #1 with #2, and if you remove #1, #2 is all you have left. It's not difficult, but apparently it's still beyond Lefties.
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Saw this coming after the 2018 election results when dozens of Dems won their elections 2-3 weeks after the election with straw votes coming in. The whole thing was a fraud and the GOP looked the other way. We noticed the traffic on our sites completely imploded about 4 months before the election. It almost seemed like someone turned off the power and blocked us. I now believe this is what is happening all over the world by big tech. They are either deleting or blocking all conservative voices before the next election so that voters can't find the truth anywhere. They will make sure the left wins everything in 2020 no matter who tries to stop them. Illegals will vote in every state and the dems will win a record number of elections. Our election system is so tainted now that it has become completely meaningless.
The saddest part is that so many people don't think it's important. They spend too much time staring at their phones to understand the ramification of the left taking over our government.
We will become slaves to our government just like they are in the EU. Very few rights and the abuse of power will be felt by everyone except those doing it. If folks think it's bad when they block conservative voices on the net, wait until they start fining and jailing people for anything they say. Free speech will no longer exist as we know it and violence will most likely be the end result.
The left is completely out of control and will do anything for power. When the so called leadership in our Congress allow so much third world trash to invade our country and do everything in their power to increase the flow, we have a map of their plans for the future. They want to turn us into the EU and that also means disarming us.
Last week there was an internet black out on the east coast and parts of California. It almost seemed like someone flipped a switch and shut it down. If they have this power once the left takes over, then this will be how they blind the populace of any free thought.
We have a year to plan because they are going into overdrive to stop free speech. Go long ammo because in a year it's going to be a hard to get commodity.
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Quote:
Tell someone who disagrees with you that because they do -- they simply hold different views and wish to speak of them -- that you're going to try to dispossess them of the ability to earn a living and you should expect violence in response. What other option do you give them?


Wasn't it the anniversary of the kill-dozer (which didn't kill) the other day? Or is it still coming up?

Anyway.. There's a lesson there that goes with this article quite well.

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Tickerguy wrote..
...but I think it's rather obvious to anyone with an IQ larger than my shoe size that this position, unless it stops right damn now, is inevitably going to lead to a no-bull**** shooting war.


I'm not so sure about that. Yes, it is obvious to those of us that can reason, butI believe many of the useful idiots on the left actually believe that everyone will do as they dictate.

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They're dead wrong.

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KD and AZ= a BIG +1

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You're damned right they are dead wrong! I mean each and every one of my taglines.

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Molon Labe
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Youtube wrote..
(...will be...) specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion

So... if I'm reading this right, they'll be removing all videos of any sporting competitions in which the winning team get to proceed to the next round and the losing team don't. Not to mention any videos which dare to support licensing or examination or permitting. For example, videos suggesting you should see a doctor rather than self-diagnose. Or any videos which advocate for concealed carry permits.

I'm thinking there are really quite a lot of videos out there for which we, as good comrades, should be reporting our concerns to the Stasi... err, sorry, to Youtube customer service... so they can send the offending videos off to re-education camp. Please, dear reader, go do your part, be a good comrade, and report evil wherever you find it. It's important for people not to be evil.
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They don't want "repent OR die." They want "repent AND die!" Note what they do to the people who cave and apologize for their transgressions. They beat them about the head and shoulders with their admission of guilt.

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When I was reading a lot of tinfoil over 20 years ago (Most of it had a definite basis in fact, as we have arrived), the UN Genocide Treaty was brought up, finally ratified by the US during the late Reagan administration. What the UN Genocide Treaty did was ratify PC. You couldn't say something that even served to hurt the feelings of a member of a group. The Birchers of the 1950's and 1960's said we needed to get out of the UN. It is clear that they were right.

I was banned from Twitter for writing the statement, NZ was a false flag. Now, I had no intention of making that an anti-Muslim statement, but it was branded as such. I protested that I meant the official news was not true about the details. Turns out I was right. Instead of being a right winger, the guy was a communist. Though the statement was vague, they invented the intent.

My point is the news, the official story that is put out, is rarely the truth. AZ mentioned the 2018 elections. Clearly 10 to 15 of the lost seats were due to election rigging. The vote in the AZ Senate seat was so unusual that I suspect they had the tallies backwards in Republican areas.

Look how long the media (they are not the press) have pushed the Russia story, though there was little to back it up. How is Madcow still on the tube? We had a shooting in Las Vegas in October 2017. The true details of that have never been put out. Sound analysis indicates there might have been more than one shooter. The motive was never established. The history of the dead guy was quite unusual. The story was he made a living off video poker. The odds of beating the machines in a casino over time are zero. There is no talent is playing a rigged game to win, only circumstance.

I was silenced for questioning the official story. I was suspended once saying Maxine Waters could go to hell. Another time for pushing back against a troll. I was shocked to be suspended for questioning an official story, Twitter making up what I meant.

Obama made up the term fake news. It was to censor the people who didn't agree with the official story. We spent years in Iraq, trillion of dollars and many destroyed lives over the official story. We got entangled in Viet Nam over a fake official story. The press tells and repeats the lies over and over again and those who disagree are silenced.

The Bill of Rights is all we have to protect ourselves from tyranny. They were put in to protects us from the government. They can't be destroyed by treaty. They can only be destroyed, if we give them up. Big government should be dismantled, if it threatens our rights. The rule of necessity has been over applied.

What is the narrative today? Right wing terrorism. Where is it? Any real investigation points to most acts being committed by leftists, especially attacks on churches ad synagogues. Fascism and Communism are both socialism, the only difference being ownership. The NZ shooter, in his suppressed manifesto, noted that the right was aligned with corporatism, whereas he favored the Chinese system. WHY WOULD THEY SHUT OF THAT THE GUY WAS A LEFTIST, TO THE POINT THEY BANNED PEOPLE ON TWITTER, WHO QUESTIONED THE STORY?

Americans need to get it out of their head that the government should be used as a weapon against others, who disagree? No place on Earth, that has an overreaching government, enjoys freedom. The party members rule and the rest get the scraps and had best keep their mouths shut.

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Aztrader: I agree with you that they are shutting down our communications. For the longest time, I could email freely. Then suddenly, about 4-5 weeks ago, emails from people I conduct business with that I have emailed with continuously in the past go directly to my spam folder -- even though I continually say these emails are NOT SPAM.
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Gaunt,

I find the same on FB. My company uses it for marketing and when I page down, it stops suddenly and nothing. I am very vocal there about immigration and have been blocked several times.
This country will be on verge of revolution if the left takes over. They have already given us their game plan and it doesn't look good. Everything they are offering for votes will destroy our country. Most folks I talk to agree that we are truly in trouble if the left gets power. We have noticed that our business has almost disappeared in the past 2 weeks. I have had distributors calling asking about business and they are seeing the same thing.
Either the general public has gone on a buying strike or something more sinister is happening. The internet is no longer free and will now be used as a weapon by the left to silence the right.
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THIS- Aztrader:"Either the general public has gone on a buying strike or something more sinister is happening. The internet is no longer free and will now be used as a weapon by the left to silence the right.:

Yep... same... rogue shut downs of my internet connectivity... entire network goes... even noticed cell web service went down... "sinister" is the exact word I'd use as well....

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These regional internet outages - I suspect something happened and the powers that be didn't want news of it propagating from individuals.
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Aztrader: Agreed. The collapse of free communication on the internet is the first of the worst that can happen. That's why I keep urging Karl to keep these running here on The Market Ticker so we can at least have a community where we can share our ideas (or at the very least vent) so at least the intelligent people on this planet who give a crap can hopefully find a way to soldier on...

Karl, don't turn off the lights. If need be, I'm sure many of us here wouldn't mind making small donations to keep things running if overhead became a problem. Plus, there's something to be said for commiserating about another's misery...
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Yup. I am at Orange County airport and using their JWA FREE WIFI. I went to www.amren.com, and it was blocked as a hate site.

...and to think that today we observe the Diamond Anniversary of the battle to liberate The West from NAZI control.

This is nothing mor than a modern book burning



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Hot civil war is now inevitable.
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Just watched longest day and Ryan....they are rolling over in their graves. Life's not a movie but we're in a ****show and headed to the toilet. I went on a rant about the left bull****....wife and I chat about where futures going...hunker down....it's not pretty down the road

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Don't forget: something like 70% of Silicon Valley employees are foreigners. They don't care if they start a war, because they'll be on the first plane out when it starts.

Americans are literally being censored by foreigners in their own country. Thanks to the massively-abused H1B visa.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if many of them have been sent there by their governments to start a war and cripple the US.
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Karl,

I'm surprised you didnt mention two things which are especially egregious.

1) Youtube admitted that Crowder had not broken their terms of service.

2) They have now changed said Terms of service to include .....you guessed it....IMMIGRATION STATUS.....You evidently can no longer criticize illegal immigrants on youtube.

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"... is inevitably going to lead to a no-bull**** shooting war."

Who is going to do the shooting, you think? I have read in other places that the left thinks they will control the right by using the military, Feds, or local police. Since many of those folks are genuinely conservative, I have a hard time thinking they will go after others that are too.

At the same time, I am old enough to remember Ruby Ridge and Waco. I am no tinfoil hat-wearer though and read a fascinating book of an insider's view of the Waco debacle from a Fed that was there. I tend to think Waco was not akin to Ruby Ridge, but again, what do I know. :)

I am just curious who you think will be shooting when it is the right that owns the guns.
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first they burn books. then they burn livelihoods and businesses. then they burn people. sound familiar.

back in the early 1990s the whole movement to get someone fired from his job for something he said that was non-PC was promoted by the media and reported enthusiastically when it happened. a common line was, "He should lose his job," for something essentially non-violent. the idea that one's personal opinions might be unacceptable in corporate job interviews was openly discussed. no one did anything then; no one will do anything now.

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@Momfive,

Who will start the shooting?

The only scenario I see where the Right starts the shooting is if the Left openly comes for the guns. At that point, it's game-on, because the Right knows that the only thing between them and the gulag/death camps is their guns. The Left knows it as well.

The most likely scenario for the shooting war is that the economic salve that keeps people content, even with creeping socialism, comes into serious compromise. The first people that will be effected will be the FSA, who will loot the stores if the EBT cards don't work. The cities will devolve into chaos, as the stores will close.

The Right largely lives outside of densely populated cites, and their goals will be to contain the damage to the cities, and to secure their own ranks. The cites will eat themselves, with White Liberal being eaten first, largely by the Amish. Then, the Amish will be eaten by the Latins, who will be no match for the rural Whites.

82% of Americans live in urban areas. Half of them will die when th shooting starts. They will shoot each other and the cops/mil will be home protecting their own families. Even if they wanted to use the cops/mil, and the cops/mil didn't protect their own, there are not enough - nowhere close to enough to make a dent in the chaos.

It's one thing if it is one area of one city (Ferguson, MO), but quite another if it is nationwide.

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Hot civil war is now inevitable.
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Ram up food production or gathering, get the right group pumped up for action, tighten control of undesirable civil group, locate your back up and get into the good with them, make big claim to stir the big ****, sit back and watch what pops up its head, then go with plan b, c, or d to further.

It looks like more than one country have set the ball rolling, hope that it is the bowling ball and not the cannon ball that is making the rumbling.


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