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2019-06-04 08:26 by Karl Denninger
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Oh bullcrap.

Caster Semenya won an interim ruling in her battle against the IAAF when the Swiss supreme court ordered athletics’ governing body to suspend its testosterone regulations on Monday, raising the prospect of her competing at the world championships without having to take hormone suppressing medication.

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The IAAF rules apply to female athletes with medical conditions known as “differences of sex development” (DSD) and specifically those born with the typical male XY chromosome pattern. The athletes also have testosterone levels higher than the typical female range, which the IAAF argues gives them an unfair athletic advantage over other women because the hormone helps build muscle and increases oxygen levels in the blood.

This person is not a "her".

Folks, it is not about whether you have testicles.

It is chromosomal and goes all the way back to birth.

Semenya is a man.  Period.  There is nothing that can be done about it; that chromosomal set was present at conception and cannot be changed.  It has given this individual athletic capabilities that are far beyond that of any actual woman and there's nothing that can be done about that either, because a good percentage of those advantages were conferred before Semenya even contemplated athletic competition.

This insanity is flat-out outrageous.  A tiny percentage of people have this disorder; they have an XY chromosomal pattern but do not develop external genitalia consistent with men.  It doesn't matter; that person is genetically a man.

I don't care how you costume yourself to others.  If you feel you got a raw deal in the genetic lottery, so be it.  You're destined to perpetual misery if you go down this road, but that's on you.  It is no more or less than me being unhappy because I was not born a UK Royal and thus don't have instant and perpetual access to the billions that the Royal Family has as their property, never mind the prestige and ability to attract all sorts of very beautiful women to do my bidding.

If I was black and wished I was white, same deal.  If I wished I was Asian because I like their facial and body structure, same deal.  I can have cosmetic changes performed, whether I do it with make-up or go so far as to actually start cutting things off and putting things on surgically, but none of that will change my genetics.

There's an article in the Spectator on this as well.

Titled “Young Trans Children Know Who They Are,” the piece focused on transgender children — those of whom identify as a different gender from the one they were assigned at birth. Ed Yang, the author of the piece, argues that, from an early age, children already have a strong sense of identity. He contends that some children as young as three already have a strong sense of their identity. If a three-year-old boy tells his parents that he identifies as a girl, Mommy and Daddy shouldn’t just listen, they should consider gender reassignment surgery. After all, although he is only three, the boy clearly knows what he wants.

As is pointed out in that article that entire premise is a load of crap.

I remember my childhood.  Many do not, but I do.  All the way back to early single digits.  Childhood is full of fantasies; exploration of that which is not, and is all about the feels.  It's normal, it's how a child's brain works and there's nothing wrong with it.

Except that it's not real and one of the purposes of being raised by adults is for those adult(s) in your life to provide guidance as to what is real.

Just last night at Run Club I was part of a conversation with a parent who had a kid that identified repeatedly, during their young childhood, as a horse.  She's now a healthy and normal young woman; she was never a horse, of course.

What's the difference between that, prancing around on all fours as a kid and declaring that you're a boy?  Nothing.

Both are fantasies.  Neither is actually true.  Neither is harmful unless it's indulged by the adults in your life and permanent changes are made that you cannot undo when the rest of your brain "comes online" and your fantasies are recognized as just that -- fantasies.

Everyone is unhappy about something in their genetic makeup.  For some it's their face.  For some women it's the size of their breasts -- they either think they're too big or too small.  Some others don't like the look of their labia.  Some men would like a bigger penis, and some a smaller one.  Some men wish they were "wooly" and some who are wish they were not.  Some men and women are bent about their hair color, and of them some go to great lengths to change it -- repeatedly -- throughout their life.  As men get even a bit older some get bent about the fact that they start to go bald and spend thousands or more transplanting hair and using drugs to try to change that.  Some people are short and wish they were tall, and some who are tall wish they were short.

Men and women both have their particular preferences when it comes to partners.  Some of those preferences are emotional and some are physical.  I have mine and so does everyone else, and it's not just "I'm heterosexual so therefore I like women" either.  A woman with certain physical traits is more attractive to me.  That doesn't mean I haven't and won't date a woman that is missing some of those traits, because on balance there's much more to someone than physical characteristics.  But it matters on the margin, and on the extreme other side sufficient to push my "not attractive" button it's enough to be exclusionary.

Exploiting these genetic differences to call yourself that what you're not, when it confers a physical advantage, especially in athletics, is bull****.  It's cheating and anyone doing it should be permanently barred from competition.  Period.  Notice that nobody goes the other way; where are all the girls who want to run on the guys track team?  It is always MEN demanding to compete as a WOMAN, not the other way around.

These are NOT girls or women -- they're MEN.  Period.  If you have an XY sex chromosome pair you are male irrespective of your external genitalia, what drugs you consume or what surgery you undergo.  If you're XX you are female irrespective of your external genitalia, the presence of developed breasts or whether you have functional ovaries and a uterus or not.  I do not give a flying **** what cosmetic decisions you make but you cannot change your sex -- it's immutable from the fertilization of the embryo that turned into you.

This bull**** must stop or it's literally the end of women's sports.  If you think not, and that this garbage is "balanced" in both directions and not an intentional act of cheating then show me the list of genetic girls -- XX chromosome -- who think they're guys and are competing on men's teams.

Go ahead -- I dare you to find said individuals -- and if not then you may as well admit it -- you're a lying sack of crap.

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What I've noticed is they are all obsessed with stereotypes of gender. There was an article about a family that had both the brother and the sister change genders. Up until the day the girl declared herself a man she was not allowed to use a chainsaw. After she declared herself a man her dad took her out into the backyard and showed her how to use one. That is child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
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"After all, although he is only three, the boy clearly knows what he wants."

Yes, because, as any parent of a 3-year old can attest, 3-year olds clearly know what they want.

This stuff is how a society dies. Total insanity. It's also probably the result of the daycare generations. Parents "too busy" to take care of their kids, who are relegated to minimum wage workers and bundled at 8 per worker, from as early as 6 weeks old. Then, parents feel guilty about the fact that they aren't spending enough time with their kids, so they pander to their every wish.

Seriously, this stuff is society-ending. Say what you will about them, but the Chinese and other Asians (that are still in Asia, not the ones that come here---they end up corrupted after a couple of generations), as well as Eastern Europeans and, unfortunately for us, Muslims, don't tolerate that junk. Those societies, for better or worse, will dominate the future.
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This is another strike against the medical industry. It used to be they recognized gender "confusion" as a mental illness. It was considered unethical to do such permanent and invasive surgery on the mentally ill. There were extensive review processes to make sure patients weren't harmed because of feelings.

Now I guess they'll do anything for the money.

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Quote:
It is always MEN demanding to compete as a WOMAN, not the other way around.


Weeeelllllllllllllll........


https://nypost.com/2018/07/02/meet-miss-....

Of course this is in an area women will always be superior to men in.
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I do not give a flying **** what cosmetic decisions you make but you cannot change your sex -- it's immutable from the fertilization of the embryo that turned into you.


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When my daughter was three, she told us she identified as a dog, even though her species assigned at birth was human.

And she could bark to prove it.
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When I was 3 I wanted to be Rodan the monster. And I was a monster. Never outgrew it either. I should be declared a protected species. I want my rights!

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It's the next step in mainstreaming pedophilia.....

If a 3 year old is old enough to:
Decide its gender.....
Request "reassignment" surgery....
Make permanent life changing decisions...

They can consent.

Nothing to see, folks. Move along.

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Captainkidd;
Bingo!
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They should also do other adult activities, like get drunk, drive a car... (hopefully not at the same time), go to titty bars, get drafted, get a job, pay for medical care, etc.

Sounds like a winning combination to me! Lets make it a political platform!

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Asimov,
What if they get drunk and identify as sober. I mean, if you suspend a little bit of reality, eventually the whole thing is toast.

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so you must be 16 to drive a car, 18 to vote and enter binding contracts, 21 to use alcohol/tobacco/legal pot, and 24-ish now to still be on your parents medical/financial aid cause you are not yet "adult" enough on your own
...and 3 to choose your sexual identity.

Sounds perfectly reasonable...if you are bat-**** crazy retarded

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When I was three I told my Mom I wanted to be a Gladiator when I grew up. She was none too pleased about that. I'm happy there weren't any gladiator surgical procedures done at the time. :) A year or so later I told her I wanted to be a garbage man because of all the neat stuff they collected.

I will say that neither of my wants at that time came true. So, even only a year later I had changed my mind about what I wanted to be as an adult. (I'm still trying to decide what I want to be when I grow up... and I'm retired)

Yep three year olds always know what they want. Just go to any Walmart or grocery and stand in line behind a Mom and her three year old to see what they want. They're usually very loud about it, too.

Hmmmm.... the next thing you know they'll be voting for whoever will give them what they want at the moment.

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The Assault on Mt. Mitchell was held a couple weeks ago. It is a 102 mile bike ride with an 6000 ft change in elevation. Cumulative climb is 11,000+ ft. (From Spartanburg, SC to the top of Mt. Mitchell in NC.)

Fastest women's time was 7:01:50.
That was 88th place.
So outside of the top 3, there are 85 guys that could "identify" as female and beat all the, uh, other women. Examples like this are in the Sports section of the paper every day.

I've lost patience with the loony tunes. The faster we destroy women's sports, the sooner the women will either recognize the insanity or their heads will explode with the cognitive dissonance.

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I pretty much expect that all protections females enjoy to give them access to things they otherwise would not be able to participate in because of very real differences in physical development will be destroyed, and, they will be called the baddies for demanding it back.
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"so you must be 16 to drive a car, 18 to vote and enter binding contracts, 21 to use alcohol/tobacco/legal pot, and 24-ish now to still be on your parents medical/financial aid cause you are not yet "adult" enough on your own"

Ah, but now a 3-year-old can 'identify' as 16, 18 or 21 and drive drunk to the polling station to vote Democrat. If the police stop them, they just identify as sober, licensed and insured, and drive away.

Once you normalize insanity, there is literally no end to it until the Gods of the Copybook Headings come for you.
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I have to say, at that professional level its not right - and these people are destroying trans rights and acceptance

Its pretty ******** wrong

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the one outlier i have seen was courtney duawalter in the moab 240 in 2017. its a 240 mile run thru the utah desert with a 30,000 ft. elevation change and she beat the first place man by 10hrs!
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There will be no more sports events in the lands with SUPREME courts in the future; if you cannot win just sue until you can!

I am sure someday that someone is going to sue to keep out people with more than 2 legs in any running event.

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Completely agree that this entire issue is absolute insanity and just one more symptom of a society that is going to hell in a handbasket. However, I must admit that sometimes the ridiculousness of it all doesn't strike me as a total negative.

Libs/progs/many women have been at the forefront of the "gender fluidity" agenda and have been pushing for decades to remove all of the barriers that separate men and women in all manner of things. Some examples: women firefighters, women military pilots, men's sporting events, Boy Scouts, etc., etc. In some cases, removal of the barriers were accomplished without demanding special consideration for their gender (e.g., Danica Patrick neither demanded nor received any special consideration when she was racing against men) and this was, IMO, a good thing. In other cases, standards were lowered for them to be able to participate (e.g., women firefighters, women fighter pilots, etc.) and I consider both their demanding special consideration and the acquiescence to their demands to be reprehensible.

Well, with biological men pretending to be women and competing in women's sports, they have gotten their wishes: "gender fluidity" and "no barriers" have come home to roost, so to speak. So, sometimes my initial reaction is to just roar with laughter and think "Too ****ing bad, you got what you agitated for - now live with it".

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Transgender MMA fighter cracks women skull in round 1 2 and half minute bout.

http://cavemancircus.com/2019/06/03/tran....
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That sort of **** is NUTS.

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This **** is a sickness that will destroy this country if not stopped soon. this insane idiocy is infecting nearly aspect of life, with no end in sight. I can't see this with a happy ending.
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