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2019-06-01 09:55 by Karl Denninger
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Well well look what we have here...

The chief said that a .45 caliber pistol, a suppressor and several empty, higher-capacity magazines were found near the gunman.

The gunman is thought to have purchased the firearms legally, according to initial information investigators have, a law enforcement official said.

Suppressors require a roughly six month wait while the BATFE conducts an extremely thorough background investigation, including fingerprints.  They are individually serialized exactly as is a firearm and cannot be bought over the counter.

This is a nonsense restriction, incidentally; nobody in their right mind would ever suggest that you'd need a background investigation, a $200 transfer tax stamp and a six month wait to buy a muffler for your car, lawn mower, chainsaw or motorcycle.  In fact in many of those cases you can get cited for not having one.

But that's how it is.

David Hogg, who survived the Parkland massacre, responded to the latest mass shooting with a short Tweet: "How many more."

Ah Hogg, you ****ing piece of ****.  This jackwad already passed all the background checks and all the investigations we can muster.  He didn't just pass a check with NICS he went even further, submitted fingerprints, submitted evidence from his local chief of police or sheriff and paid a $200 transfer tax stamp fee and waited months -- typically six months or more -- for BATFE to check everything out, including him personally.

This will wind up being one of those incidents that gets memory-holed fast because it is proof that there is literally no set of background checks, no set of "qualifications" and no "extraordinary list" of people who are good enough.

Whoever this guy was he was squeaky-clean at federal, state and local levels.  He obtained sign-offs not just from the BATFE but also from local law enforcement.  He not only paid a crazy tax on a piece of metal that cannot hurt anyone, voluntarily, he also submitted to the investigative equivalent to a digital rectal exam conducted by the Federal Government -- and passed.

Further, he didn't use something "extraordinary" (in gun-grabber's views) either.  He used an ordinary, garden-variety .45 caliber pistol.

Of course Faux Snooz calls it a "silencer", which it is not:

Megan Banton, an administrative assistant in the public utilities office where the gunman worked, said she called 911 and barricaded the door.

“We tried to do everything we could to keep everybody safe,” she said. “We were all just terrified. It felt like it wasn’t real, like we were in a dream. You are just terrified because all you can hear is the gunshots.”

muffler doesn't "silence" a firearm; this is not the movies.  It still goes "bang" and is plenty loud.  What it does do is reduce the hearing damage that firearms otherwise cause, which can be considerable.  Then again it doesn't appear the shooter much-cared about that.

Snooz also says:

DeWayne Craddock, 40, was a longtime public utility worker who made multiple firearm purchases in recent weeks, officials told the Wall Street Journal.

Snooz makes it sound like he just waltzed into a gun store and bought both the weapon (singular, as far as we know from the scene) and suppressor.  Uh, nope.  Have a look here, from one of the firms that makes them.

Don't expect the media to grill the gun-grabbers on exactly what they think are "reasonable" gun laws given that this guy apparently passed all such screening requirements we can dream up; you cannot just walk into a store and buy a muffler for your gun.  It takes months to get approval, a crazy-high tax stamp price for a muffler -- a piece of metal that doesn't shoot anything and is not dangerous in any way, and you must undergo the rough equivalent of an anal exam in terms of investigation by the federal government first.

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Aztrader
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I have been waiting over 5 months for mine and still wondering if on the hit list. I am meeting with my gun guy today to see what exact date we sent the paperwork in. If this one clears, then will apply for a rifle suppressor before the Nazi's take over in 2021.
Heard the shooter was disgruntled and a liberal. Another government worker that was entitled and simply decided that he was the boss and no one else mattered. At least they don't have to waste time and money on a trial.
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Does not fit the narrative. Dismissed.
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From post-action analysis standpoint, and based on the limited, perhaps erroneous info available at the moment.

1. a 45 ACP is naturally subsonic and suppresses very well. It isn't quite "movie quiet" but damn close, especially if run wet and using a 1911 style handgun. Also, single-stack magazines, and very low probability of feed jams.

2. If all the arms were legally acquired, it shows that mass-killers are learning from each other. Changing tools and tactics. Suppressed subsonic rounds DO NOT sound like gunshots. Especially to the uninitiated. This gives the killer time to progress through the environment with fewer startled or prepared victims.

3.Old story of "workplace violence" disgruntled .gov employee going postal. Race, politics and tools don't fit the narrative so down the memory-hole.

4. Responding LEO took a round in the vest and it appears to have worked. As it should versus a pistol caliber round.

Of course, being a municipal facility, it is virtually assured to be a gun/weapon free zone. Nothing changes.

Expect the normal shrieking. With the addition of outright ban "silencers". KD, normal wait is 12+ months, sometimes faster, but that is rare IMO. Of course manufacturing is trivially easy and if you are committing mass-murder, the tacked on federal NFA charge is not a factor.

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@Spankton9 -- Good point; if you intend to shoot people with the thing in a murderous rage I'm not sure you much care about the additional 10 years for the suppressor, eh?

Then again I'm not sure you care if you can hear or not either, so...... yeah.

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KD wrote-
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Then again I'm not sure you care if you can hear or not either, so...... yeah.


I think it, potentially, relates to the evolution of these killers. The suppressor maximizes their time to attack without alerting or startling victims with recognizable gunshots. It also allows the shooter to maintain greater situational awareness. If targets are making noise in closets or other rooms, or someone is rushing from the flanks, the ability to hear those footfalls provides time and options. I agree they aren't likely looking at long-term hearing benefits, but the in scenario benefits are real tactically.

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I dunno -- a $100 pair of amplified, stereo shooting earmuffs is even better from a situational point of view; you get both amplification when not shooting and suppression of hearing damage WHEN shooting. Further, anyone near you gets deafened when YOU fire, especially indoors, so they can't hear YOU coming. Never mind that a suppressor makes the weapon considerably longer and heavier; both work against you in a close-quarters situation.

Now on other the other side, that is, preventing everyone within a half-mile knowing you're shooting immediately, yeah, you have a valid point there. But assuming that suppressor was legally acquired he sure as hell didn't make a snap decision after he came to the conclusion he was going to commit mass-murder to buy it and go get it, since you CAN'T do that -- it takes at LEAST six months to get the Form 4 back, and usually quite a bit longer.

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I don't think getting it was a part of any plan. He just happened to have it when he snapped and decided to go with it.

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Well, probably.

But that's the entire point -- they gave him a rectal exam and he passed. What sort of criteria would you like to impose on firearms ownership that this dude did not already meet?

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Oh thank heavens David Hogg has made a statement on this - We can all calm down and put this one to bed, I value the Hogg man's opinion almost as much as Don Lemon.

So how much does the fact the shooter is black change which direction they take this story?

I realize there will always be kooks who believe so strongly on any given issue they will take that belief to their grave, but with so much light being shown on how much the media manipulates our perspective of events, it seems even some of the dimmest bulbs are starting to see the light.

Personally I do not care what the skin color of a person who can commit terrible crimes like this is. But the media seems to always make plays on it - When it fits their narrative - So more importantly was he on some type of SSRI?

He is also an engineer. This is a profession full of people who prefer to spend Friday nights playing with their KwikSet 8888 than going to the local Rave. The articles I have read do not say he purchased the suppressor - He could have fairly easily made one too.

Supposedly he was fired or terminated fairly recently. If so what was he doing back at work? Any time you have an employee let go, especially if it is due to their conduct, you have a potential situation in the making. How much more does that situation grow when it is a long term employee who has built a life around that job.

If it is true he was fired, I can only assume it was because of some type of fairly serious wrong doing. As it usually takes quite a bit of paper work (especially for a government agency). If he was a long term employee, who was recently let go from a government job, in a "Gun Free" zone - Why didn't they provide better security?

I also question why he would need a suppressor? They are only good for "sneak" attacks and after the first shot or two all advantages have been lost and now you have an added and unneeded device attached to your weapon. But of course someone who is willing to gun down their co-workers isn't thinking straight and may have just been thinking - "Damn these people will think I am Cool with this suppressor"

Also as a (presumed) recently fired employee he should not have need the suppressor as many of his co-workers would not have thought much of seeing him in the place, maybe they did not know he was fired, maybe he is back to get some stuff, visit...Who knows. The only way he would have needed the element of surprise is if they had security to stop his sorry ass. Which apparently they didn't.

So how do we know he didn't build the suppressor himself and why is it more of an issue than the lack of security. Security that should have prevented a recently fired long term employee from causing murder and death in a government imposed gun free zone i.e. Death Trap.

I know Hogg man has our backs on this and I have not had the opportunity to find out what I am supposed to think from Don Lemon, but I am curious - Regardless of how a most recent mass murder got a supposed suppressor, why is that more news worthy than the lack of security?

If he was fired - What for? Was he already known to have mental issues? Did he already impose a threat to co-workers? Or was he just padding his resume for the SEC by viewing porn at work?

And most importantly was he on some type of SSRI prescription?

For those who were directly impacted by this, I am sorry for your lose and the tragedy you are experiencing.
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Tickerguy -
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they gave him a rectal exam and he passed


I just submitted an application for a suppressor in Nancy Pelososie's name :)

But damn to hell, she will probably like it.
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The authorities have already said they traced the weapons and they were legally purchased and had no history of involvement in criminal activity.

Since suppressors are serialized that would include the suppressor.

Which again STRONGLY implies he passed the most stringent set of "background checks" that we apply to ANY purchaser of ANY firearm.

Believe me, if he had a HOMEBUILT suppressor that would have been the LEADING item along with screamfest calls to ban them all forevermore. It's not like it's hard to figure out either; there's either a serial number on it or there isn't, and if there is it either matches a BATFE Form 4 registered to him or it doesn't. I bet checking that, given the instant fodder for the left and press IF it had been homebuilt or illegally sourced, took all of about 10 minutes.

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@mangy whats with the pro-nanny state comments asking for someone else to provide security for these people? Its on them, each one individually. Christ, a town the size of Virginia Beach and they have that many folks in the public utilities department!? And you want more security i.e. yet more people hired at taxpayer expense? Please.
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What sort of criteria would you like to impose on firearms ownership that this dude did not already meet?


"Shall not be infringed"

But I'm not the target audience for your statement anyway. :P

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Empty pop bottle with zip ties makes a passable suppreesor.

In Virginia.

Open carried today at Lowes, Wawa, Southern States, and Target, .4o Beretta. While wearing my Virginia Tech cap.

A few sour looks, a few "thanks for carrying", pretty typical OC day for me.

Of course, not a single person on site at the city was armed.

My company policy is no weapons. When I beat around the bush with my supervisor (20 years younger than I with 3 small children), he winked and said it's against company policy.

Ookaaay.

**** the statist oligarchs.

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More fodder for my smaller government screed.

Fewer crazy government employees.

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There are adapters out there to attach an oil filter to a rifle with a threaded barrel. There are videos out there if you look.
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Wa Po aeticle has so many gems...

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In his arsenal was a .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun with an attached sound suppressor and extended magazines, Cervera said. Craddock fired indiscriminately after entering the building, the chief said.


"In his arsenal" wtf???

The "cheif" wasnt asked what else was in the "arsenal" but the neighbors said he had, gasp, cameras in his house!

Not sure what that is in the video and its' name doesn't help me.

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List of those that were killed, https://www.theepochtimes.com/all-12-vic.... looking at the photos, it is apparent skin color was not something this guy took into consideration, he id not care, maybe SSRI, it appears this guy snapped. He had issues, more than likely it was noticed but not acted upon. The guy that set himself on fire seems to have zoned out, somehow ignoring/tolerating the flames, and the pain that goes with it.
 
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At lest he did not take anyone with him.

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Mtdm - LOL, nothing pro nanny state about it was intended.

The state wants to tell us how to protect ourselves, yet fails to provide basic safety against somebody they fired.

If the crazy gunman shot his way past even one security guard they at least showed they took not just their own policies serious, but also their own words about "Safety First"

Just calling their epic fail.

Your safety is your own job.



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The fact that the shooter passed all the background checks is a feature to the anti-2A crowd, not a defect: it means NO test is sufficient.

But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for CA Senator Kamala Harris to turn in her weapons.

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The fact that the shooter passed all the background checks is a feature to the anti-2A crowd, not a defect: it means NO test is sufficient.
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This was my thought, too.
Their position will be:
No check is enough.
No precautions are sufficient.
No mitigation is possible.

So....
No guns.

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Why is the only photo of this guy a washed out B&W image?

NM, I know the answer.

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Six month wait? I wish. My last suppressor (2017-2018) took a year and two days to clear. While I think that suppressors should not be subject to any restrictions beyond those required for firearms purchase, a one year wait is significant.
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