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2019-05-15 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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I find this tremendously amusing....

House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff floated a new idea at an Axios News Shapers event this morning about how to enforce subpoenas against the Trump administration: fine officials who ignore them.

Why it matters: It's a risky move for House Democrats if they go ahead with it — because it's a largely untested idea, it's not 100% clear that Congress has the authority to do it, and it's definitely not clear how they would enforce it.

Yeah, it's not that simple either.

The inherent contempt power was last used in the 1930s; it was used to arrest people who refused to come testify -- physically arrest them.  But the premise of issuing fines has never been used by Congress.  Whether it actually has the authority to do so and how it could collect them is an open question -- and sure to be challenged.

The not-funny part of this garbage is that when Obama was President the Republican House subpoenaed Eric Holder in relationship to Fast-n-Furious, his gun-running program that got a US Border Agent (and hundreds if not thousands of Mexicans) killed.  Holder put up the middle finger, Congress held him in contempt, the referral went to the same department he headed which then (of course) exonerated him.  Duh.  Congress kept up the pressure, however, but the DOJ ran out the clock.  And that's the basic problem -- it can take years to put these cases through the courts; long enough for it to moot the issue.

Note that what Holder refused to comply with was a subpoena for materials by low-level people within the department, well under his level, that had blocked disclosure and retaliated against whistleblowers.  Obama claimed "executive privilege" over things that had nothing to do with his deliberations with anyone -- well, at least as far as we know.

What Barr has refused to disclose is grand jury material.  He's absolutely correct in doing so; there is literally nothing that would corrupt future investigations more than to destroy the secrecy of the grand jury.

But more to the point, and what Schiff better be damned careful of, is that he seems to think Republicans will never get the House back again.  That's what Reid thought in the Senate too when he changed procedural rules on the filibuster.  He was wrong and the result of his own actions is that now nearly any appointment cannot be filibustered.

If Schiff goes down this road and come 2020 the Democrats lose the House I want to see Eric Holder and Obama personally arrested and put in the dock under the US House of Representatives.  In fact, I can come up with a dozen or more of the jackwads in the DOJ/FBI that can join them too -- including Comey.  I suspect there's a long list of those who would refuse to testify and who then could be have contempt voted upon directly -- and tossed in jail.

Go ahead and do it Schiff, if you're actually so ****ing stupid to try this.  If you manage to establish that the power you seek in fact exists I will be cheering on the day you twist on the end of the rope you in fact purchased and demanded be installed.

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Tdurden
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The stage is set for **** to get really runny really fast. The left has been saying for awhile that they are going to wait until Trump is out office and THEN come down on him and his kids like a tonn of bricks, if not thru the SDNY, then through the state AG's, the latter being totally outside the power of the pardon that Trump could use on himself and those close to him. How do you head something like that off without having to pull what Sulla did in ancient Rome and just start putting to death anyone who could come back on them?

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IMO, Trump was foolish not to nail Hillary, Obama, Holder et al to the wall for their crimes. He knows the Dems are going to come after him once he leaves office. The Dems are going to keep pushing until a shooting war starts.
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Tickerguy wrote..
Go ahead and do it Schiff, if you're actually so ****ing stupid to try this.


I believe Schitt really IS this ****ing stupid.

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Molon Labe
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This is what happens when morons can't even think a step ahead.
The 2nd order effects will be delicious.
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Democrats to Stage Marathon Reading of the Mueller Report on Thursday

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"This report illustrates a presidency founded in opportunism, devoid of respect for public service and the rule of law," Representative Mary Gay Scanlon of Pennsylvania, vice chairwoman of the House Judiciary Committee and a leader of the reading effort, said in a statement. This administration and its enablers do not want the American people hear the contents of this report."


Yeah ****t, is that stupid, these miscreants will not back down, it is only going to get worse.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/....

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Apparently, the Democrats, as a whole are stupid as Schitt according to Wifi's post. What a nothingburger. It's only the crazy left wishing...

Like they say, put out both your hands, fill one with wishes and the other with Schitt. Which one fills up first?

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Molon Labe
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(1) How long before they stop reading?
(2) I feel like I should follow along and mark down what they skip over
(3) Oh I forgot, I got rid of TV about four years ago...

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