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2019-02-09 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Measles, Vaccines, And The Truth
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There have been recent measles outbreaks in the United States -- which have led many to claim that this is likely related to "anti-vax" sentiment and "personal exception" laws for vaccination.

(CNN)So far this year, Washington state is averaging more than one new measles case a day as officials try to help stop the disease's spread.

Since January 1, Clark County Public Health has confirmed 47 cases of measles. In King County, home of Seattle, at least one confirmed case was reported.

A vast majority of those who came down with measles -- 41 -- were not vaccinated against the disease, Clark County officials said. One patient did receive a vaccination against MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), but the health agency declined to provide more details on that case "to protect the patient's privacy."

Measles is a nasty disease.  It is not simply "a rash, a fever, and then it's over" sort of thing.  In a small but significant percentage of the people who get it the infection spreads to the brain or causes a secondary pneumonia condition to arise; both can permanently injure or kill.

The MMR vaccine is allegedly about 97% effective in providing immunity if you get both doses (one at about 12 months, and the second between 4 and 6 years of age.)  The problem is that we admit into this country a huge number of individuals who have no vaccinations in this series and sometimes none at all, nor do we track them.  They're illegal invaders.

"Herd immunity" is often claimed as the reason to require everyone be vaccinated.  But that claim is bull****; herd immunity is the phenomena that drops the transmission efficiency of a given disease below 1.0.  Measles is extraordinarily contagious, however -- a single person who has it and is contagious that comes in contact with 1,000 non-antibody carriers (either through previous exposure or vaccine) will likely infect an utterly enormous percentage of those exposed.  While it is true that in vaccinated populations transmission will eventually die out due to herd immunity those who have vaccine failure -- and a single-digit percentage of those vaccinated are not protected -- are still nearly-certain to contract the disease if they are exposed.

The bottom line issue here is that illegal immigration is a monstrous vector problem and one we can put a near-100% stop to by stopping all invasion of this nation by those who are not vaccinated.

Again, while a wall or other hard border barrier will not stop all persons from coming into the country illegally it will stop more than 90% of them immediately.  That's the record other nations with border walls have -- including Israel.

If you decide for whatever reason not to vaccinate your kid(s) then your kids are the ones primarily at risk.  But those who did take the vaccine and have it fail for reasons entirely beyond their control, simply because it doesn't always work, should not be exposed to the risk of serious disease and even death simply because some jackwad politicians and businesspeople want political favors and cheap under-the-table illegal labor.

Those who advocate for illegal immigration and protection of any who cross illegally and are already here ought to be charged as accessories before the fact with manslaughter should any US Citizen die as a result of such an infection and be hung at the national mall in fulfillment of their sentence.

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Bodhi
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I agree 100%. The left has everyone walking on tip-toes lest they be accused of racism or xenophobia for even suggesting that noble immigrants would bring diseases with them across our borders. So much easier to blame mostly white anti-vax fanatics.
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My brother's step-daughter is a doc in Vancouver. In a conversation earlier this week, she sorta went out of her way to state that it wasn't illegals that are the primary group, but Eastern Europeans (Russian/Baltic) people who naturally distrust .gov requirements of all kinds, and the other major group, uber-liberal non-vaxxer's who obviously know better about everything, including doctors. (My opinion: Once this gets into the Hispanic population in the Seattle area and in the agriculture-centered part of the state, this will be a ****ing wildfire.)

I have no idea if what she says is the truth, but given the enormous percentage of Super Libs in Vancouver/Portland, I think there's at least a half-truth in there.

Tom S.

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when this story broke up here a few weeks ago I tried to explain to people that it sure as hell would help if we wouldn't accept the invaders in. but that apparently makes me racist. even people with good reasoning skills didn't get it.
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All of the diseased illegal invaders need to take the pill.


L---Limits
E---Every
A---Applicable
D---Disease

It is only effective when applied at a rate of 1200 feet per second or above, the cool thing is the "pill" comes in many different sizes, and velocities.

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It's not just measles, it's Typhus, Polio, Whooping Cough, and a host of other diseases that haven't been seen in this country in decades.

The Democrats and others for Open Borders refuse to acknowledge this aspect of Illegal Immigration. This is where the real crisis is, our country being invaded by people carrying diseases that threaten all of us. The irresponsibility of those pushing Open Borders is Treason and nothing else.
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We see DHS busing in this crap from the border. How well are they checked? Don't know and all these foolish churches taking them in will pay in the end. How would you like to have a young child in a school and they bring in these illegal kids that may be carrying a virus? Who becomes responsible when an American child gets sick or dies? Screw the compassion issue. This is about national security.
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this makes me wonder. i was born before the measles vaccine, my mom said all my brothers and sisters had the measles except me. i certainly was exposed to it then. do i need vaccinated?
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I had the measles as a kid. I also had the mumps and chickenpox. So, I apparently have a lifetime immunity to these diseases. The measles vaccines need periodic booster shots to maintain some semblance of immunity.

I have noticed that most of my adult friends who get the shingles vaccines tend to get shingles. This might be anecdotal, but it makes me suspicious. The VA really pushes vaccines, so in a weak moment, I let myself get vaccinated for pneumonia. A few months later, my cousin died from pneumonia and lung cancer, and I caught the variety of pneumonia that she had. It took me over a month and a half, and 3 antibiotic regimens to kick that bug! I realized then why it was fatal for her. Apparently that pneumonia shot was not for the variety that I had.

There is a lot of money in those vaccines, and I really wonder how well they work?
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I had the measles as a kid. I also had the mumps and chickenpox.


Ditto. In addition I had rubella, also called German measles in those days. None of them were pleasant, but my immune system is much stronger for having fought off these diseases. I rarely get even a cold anymore, one in the past 10 years, and haven't had the flu since I was a teenager. Since we vaccinate for all these diseases now it is vital that we prevent outbreaks as they can be deadly for adults who never built up a natural immunity.
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"even people with good reasoning skills didn't get it."

You only think they have good reasoning skills. Clearly they don't.

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Tsherry
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"they can be deadly for adults who never built up a natural immunity."

Is it wrong for me to hope that everyone in the 202 didn't develop a natural immunity?

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Health officials are being tight lipped about the source of this outbreak, all I can do is share the little I have been able to piece together as a resident of Clark County.

Clark County WA sits on the I-5 corridor, this is a major thoroughfare that runs from Mexico to Canada. It also sits on the Columbia River which helps link the mid-states with the Pacific Ocean. And the rail lines link the Pacific Ocean to the East Cost. PDX, Portland International Airport is also a transfer station for passengers and air shipping from all over the world.

Over the last few years Portland has implemented policies that are not only inviting homeless to the area, but incentivizing them to show up. Couple that with I-5 and a very nice tax payer funded transit system, the Columbia River is no longer a barrier and Clark Counties homeless population has literately taken to the streets.

There is also a larger Eastern European population, who do tend to be mistrustful of any goverement system. Which kind of fits Tsherry's theory.

I first heard of the measles out break around Christmas Break time, part of the reason I know this is because some schools were stating they would not admit any children after Christmas break until the proved they were immunized.

Somehow health officials knew a measles carrier went to a Blazers game. If that was true - Yikes. All I can surmise, is it was someone associated with the health care system. Blazer tickets are not cheap and how did they know this person was exposed prior to going to the game?

Other than the number of children getting measles, health officials are not saying which demographic is most at risk. Which could be a red flag they are trying to hide that demographic, if that is true. Why? My first thought was illegals, but at this point the numbers don't quit add up. I believe they are a factor though. From my very limited view on things I had already been leaning toward Eastern European connection expressed by TSherry above.

This outbreak started at Christmas Break time, in an area that is heavily populated with people who have an aversion to government programs. The area is connected in more ways than one to international travel. Some of these travelers have probably never even heard of a measles vaccine. And a public transit system that links all kinds of different people and their sub groups together.

If this assessment is close to accurate this should be a HUGE warning to healthcare officials and the public that illegals coming in pose a HUGE threat to the health of American Citizens. They are fortunate this was only the measles. Yes, only the measles. Many of the people breaking into America have 3rd world standards of sanitation. They will mix with the transit population who have adopted a 3rd world standard of sanitation. And they WILL be traveling freely amongest us.

In My Humble Opinion the measles out break is happening within a subset of the population during the coldest time of the year and it will be fairly quickly contained. There a many worse communicable diseases out there, that love the warm weather and water.

Healthcare officials will soon be patting themselves on the back saying "Good Job" "We are heroes" Blah...Blah...Blah.... But the biggest threat to the general health and safety will still be flowing across our borders unchecked.
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I am NOT an anti-Vaxer. However I strongly believe informed choices should be made before forcing families to get vaccinated. Shortly after a child is born and sometime before the baby can suckle and connect with it's mommy, the child is given a vaccine. If memories serves correct this is Hep-B or something to that effect. If the child is just born and the mother does not have Hep-B how is the child going to contract it? If the child is born to a mother who has Heb-B how is the vaccine going to help it? Breast milk is the best thing any newborn can have, bar none.

Flu shots? Why are they giving them away? Heck I have seen them even paying people with discounts on in store purchases if get the flu shot there. Go back and read any one of hundreds of Tickers about YOU being the product when the service is free. Flu shot, Free....Whatever.

MMR. All three at once? Seriously! A child NEEDS to have three foreign diseases injected into their body at the same time? Really?

And please, please, please do not sell me on the Herd thing, I get it, I understand it. Karl just explained above why it is bull****.

I am certainly not against vaccinations, I believe they are very beneficial, but I am not for being forced to do something you do not fully understand or give consent to.
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How well are they checked


They aren't checked AT ALL. For anything.

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They aren't checked which is insane. When my daughter was born 5 years ago in sc its standard practice to take their DNA to "test" for certain things which they keep on file for 18 years (yeah right). I said **** off on that which was another hassle and they looked at me like I was insane.
So they can check and keep DNA from legal citizens but wont for invaders.
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in 1970, aged 8, i almost died of measles. i was 3 days in a coma and considered a goner.
took me months to recover.

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MangyMutt.. I fall into that same category.

How I WISH I could get the MMR split into each unique vaccination, so "IF" a reaction should occur, I could at least know which one did it and sue the (oh wait, vax court...) living******out of em.
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And now... Several mumps cases confirmed at Texas ICE facility, health officials say

https://www.foxnews.com/us/several-mumps....

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Mumps can make you sterile. Just saying...

New research also shows that measles resets your immune system. Those diseases that you were immune from, you are no longer. This can last for months. I am guessing the dendritic cells got clobbered by the measles and need time to build back up.

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And they (PTB) will blame it on anti-vaxers, when the cause is probably linked more closely to the illegal invaders.
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I have taken vaccines and vacinated my son 20+ years ago. But I get very skeptical when the government gets involved and disallows/limits lawsuits for those harmed by vaccines or attempts to force someone to be vaccinated. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves what they put in their bodies.
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Many things hit to diminish Roman power, but plague was the main cog in their demise. They had no defense against it, and they were scared ****less over plague.

Flu ended the Great War, and killed millions. We have no defense against it, but think it won't happen.

Black Death killed about one third of Europe in less than a decade; about half in some places. It was imported. Of course, that could never happen again.

Most of the world is a ****hole. That's a fact. It is a ****hole, not because of geography, but because of who lives there, their biological limitations, and their cultural imperatives. Importing them to the US has the obvious effect, but we think our high ideals will trump that reality.

The next downturn is going to be epic. It will be the Black Death of the 1300s (spread by air travel and global shipping), combined with the economic collapse of the 400s (credit collapse), and a house-to-house civil war of Bosnia writ large (ethnic driven). Add in a sustained solar minima, and crop failures are going to be icing on the cake.

Change my mind.

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Mangy: Yup.

Quote:
Amid a measles outbreak in Washington state that officials have confirmed has spread to at least 51 people and suspect to have spread to over a dozen others, hundreds of people showed up to a rally on Friday to demand the right to keep exposing their kids to the possibility of contracting easily prevented, potentially fatal illnesses, multiple outlets reported.



https://gizmodo.com/hmm-this-anti-vaccin....

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So I'm curious - the measles vaccine doesn't give you lifetime immunity. So what happens when you get it as an adult?

What is the comparison to having it as a kid (with the known small percentage of serious cases) compared to getting it as an adult (because the third world visits you) after your 'immunity' wears off?
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