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2019-01-25 10:25 by Karl Denninger
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Ronald Reagan famously fired PATCO employees who attempted to go on strike in 1981 -- 11,000 of them, all at once, after giving them 48 hours to return to work, which they refused to do.  He got sued.  The people suing him lost.

Those who are currently calling in "sick" but are labeled "essential" employees -- TSA and ATC folks in particular -- should remember that Stare Decisis applies here.

Trump should immediately fire and replace any ATC or TSA individual who calls in sick and does not have documentation substantiating that they are actually ill.  That would be basically all of them, by the way.

Ditto for any other "essential" government employee.  Refuse to show up, get fired.

Simply put this issue has been fought in the courts and is settled law.  If you walk off the job in those positions you're subject to being fired for cause immediately and you have no recourse for your self-inflicted injury.

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They are not getting paid, right? Doesnt that make a difference?

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Every credit union I have an account with is offering some type of special relief to furloughed federal workers including 0% personal loans with no credit checks. Food banks all over my area are offering free food to federal workers and they have also been getting food stamps, mortgage relief, utilities paid for, car and loan payment relief, free child care, etc, etc, etc. There is absolutely no reason they can't make it financially even if they live paycheck to paycheck. This is an absolute propaganda **** show.
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Let me start out by saying that I believe that ~90% of gov't employees are "non-essential" anyway so they shouldn't have a g-job in the first place and that most of the departments and agencies that currently exist are outside the scope of Constitutionally authorized gov't functions and also need to be eliminated. And, quite frankly, most of the so-called "essential" gov't employees really aren't.

While I agree with the general premise that those who fraudulently (i.e., lying about being sick) don't to show up for work should be summarily fired, I'm not so sure that the PATCO precedent would apply. PATCO was about folks just being on a typical strike. This is a different scenario.

IMO, it is unethical (don't know about illegal) to demand that somebody show up for work while telling them that they won't actually be paid for said work until some indefinite time in the future. After all, isn't the normal custom of a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly paycheck for work performed actually part of an implied contract? If so, the gov't is obviously not meeting the terms of that contract. Therefore, I can see some validity to the claim that the gov't employees are completely justified in not showing up for work under those conditions. ETA: Of course, it is idiotic for gov't to promise to pay all employees after the "shutdown" even if they were not required to work. That complicates the issues even further.

However, I also believe that they are committing fraud (or some equivalent) by claiming that their not showing up is due to illness when it's really not.

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They are not getting paid, right? Doesnt that make a difference?

Nope -- Congress has passed and Trump has signed into law the bill that they WILL be paid. Not right now, but they WILL be paid.

Do you have to go to work while not being paid? If your job description requires it, yes. It's unlawful to not pay someone voluntarily but that's not the case here. Every government employee knows when taking the job that their pay is subject to appropriation and that it can lapse. It's part of the deal. They get paid (salary + benefits) at a rate that is some 25-30% above market rates in the private sector, so they're being compensated for the risk as well.

They have a losing position if they sue.

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