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2018-12-04 09:36 by Karl Denninger
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Time To Say Goodbye To Florida
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No, I will not be setting up operations to license out HomeDaemon-MCP on a "distributor" basis while in Florida.

I will be leaving Florida.

The recent election was too close.  Worse, there are now not one but two initiatives headed for the ballot 2 years hence that will ban the 2nd Amendment in the state.

Now granted, they need a lot of signatures.  But they'll get 'em, since signatures on petitions are really almost-exclusively a function of money.  The actual ballot language will almost-certainly be misleading in some way, as the Grayhound one was -- that provision, which passed, omitted any mention of the fact that it was not limited to dog racing but in fact put an animal rights clause into the Constitution.  That of course can be used to ban hunting and fishing -- and you can bet it will be tried.

One of these petitions would ban all semi-automatic weapons in the state.  Even a lowly Ruger 10/22 would become illegal.  So would any Form-4 weapons.  The test is whether such a weapon can take a larger magazine than 7 rounds.  This would encompass all semi-automatics, since all of them with detachable magazines can accept a larger magazine.

I'm sure there would be an immediate lawsuit should this pass, and perhaps before it is even on the ballot, but does it matter?  If this sort of Marxism is what Florida has become I want no part of it, and I certainly want no part of building a business in the state and employing people which will add to the tax base and common benefit for state residents.

There has to be a price for this sort of horse****, and the best and highest peaceful price I can exact is to leave, taking not only my personal commerce and thus the taxes that generates but also the business taxes I could generate were I to stand up a retail or distribution firm in the state.

So if you want to pick up HomeDaemon-MCP and be the seller, well, as I pointed out recently now's the time since the price is lower now than it will be once I choose a new home and settle there.  I will, assuming someone hasn't bought me out on this first, bring that business and tax revenue to said new state, but I'm going to take my time and choose carefully, since I'm not getting any younger and wherever I go this time around it will likely be where I choose to lay down roots and, ultimately in another 30 or so years, wind up as ashes.

So be it Florida.

PS: Want to buy me out on HomeDaemon and maybe include the Ticker in the deal, the latter of which does have a registered Federal trademark?  Look to the right for contact info...

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Good luck.

I'm betting you don't move back to Illinois. :)

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My instincts are telling me that the left will be hitting all states in 2019. They need absolute power and that can't happen without disarming the populace. They demonize guns just like they demonize conservatives. The evil is in the left and because they own the media, most folks never know it. We saw what happened in this last election and that's just the start of things to come. The right should have been all over every dirty election, but let them stand. When you sit there and allow yourself to be beaten, then you get what you deserve.
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Yes, it may be time to say Alpha Mike Foxtrot to Florida. The last close election portends impending Marxism for Florida and Texas (or is it Tejas?) as well in the next statewide or national election. Perhaps Florida will one day split into two states: one with everything from Orlando southward called North Cuba/West Tel Aviv San Juan/South New York Ontario eh and the other either Florida or South Alabama. When Florida and Texas tip, the commies will force Marxism on deplorable America and our slide into a Third World sh**hole class nation will accelerate.
There may be no place left for freedom loving people to retreat to. Where is Maximillien Robespierre when we really need him.
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Yep -- Texas is not a choice either, for the same basic reason. The State has refused to stop the bull**** with illegals ultimately poisoning the demographics.

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Well Karl I think the choices are getting limited. Of course the west, places like Wyoming, Montana, etc., may still be pretty good but you have a dramatic change in weather.

What about the U.S. Virgin Islands, it's still a U.S. territory, would it be any better?

I live in Arkansas and it's still a good Red state.

I will be interested in what your ultimate choice is.
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If by some chance you end up in tennessee, I'd love to work with you. (Or for you.)

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Still love Arizona even though illegals get away with a lot of stuff. The terrain is rugged and this makes it difficult for the powers to be to enforce much of anything. Too many places to hide with a great climate year round. How many states can you hop on the road and drive a few miles to go shooting?
The liberal left is nothing but a disease on society. Anyone that thinks they can dictate to the rest of us how to live our lives, what to wear, what to say or what to own are going to get shot. That will be the end game. Push too hard and pay even harder.....
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Georgia dodged a "bullet" as well this time around, I don't think it will be as lucky next time. And I'm realizing my county is more blue each election (Gwinnett). It went for Hillary in 16' and Abrams 18'. Rob Woodall barely squeaked by for my district. If you look at a map of the metro area it's like a cancer. If it's not too late I'll move to a more red county or another state entirely.
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I was contemplating the North Georgia area until this latest election. Not a snowball's chance in Hell I will move there now.

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I was going to say the same things about Georgia. The gubernatorial election was FAR too close for comfort. Atlanta and its 'burbs run riot over the rest of the state. I am also contemplating my next move before Georgia flips blue.
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Hey Karl: Been reading your post for years and never responded till now. Totally agree on your reasons for leaving with the way Fl. is leaning left even though the 2nd amendment issue would probably get struck down if it were to go to the SCOTUS with it's recent appointees. Main reason I'm responding is to suggest checking out Charleston SC area. Been here most of my life. Mostly conservative, lots of water, great running community here, and some excellent watering holes! Certain areas have become a bit pricey lately but worth checking out if your looking. Get in touch if you want a local's insite - and no, I'm not realtor or anything like that.

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I'm not sure why anyone would consider moving close to any metro area given the climate right now.... We are considering rural Missouri.
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Yeah "minimum safe distance" comes into play here for sure.

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Oklahoma's not too bad overall. Mostly red, but getting bluer with each election, as it seems most states are. The summers are usually pretty hot, but you get 4 distinct seasons. There are lots of lakes in NE OK for water activities. Cost of living is low compared to a lot of places. We have looked at several areas in case we ever decided to move, but most of them are too cold and have longer winters with more snowfall. Not a fan...

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Rural is good but I can assure you Idaho and Montana are rapidly changing due to massive influx of Californians. Idaho just voted to expand Obamacare/Medicaid via prop 2.
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I'm in the same boat...WA isn't working for us. CHS is awesome (lived on JI for years) but has become too expensive. Started looking into Nevada of all places this morning. Gun friendly, and its supper cheap to fly out of there (we travel). Texas was on the radar but not so sure about that now.
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Texas has two EXTREME problems - the first is property taxes, which are outright confiscatory in most places. Worse, they've ramped BIG in the last 10+ years, which bodes very poorly for the future.

The second issue is water access issues tied to mineral/subsurface rights. That can be serious trouble too since potable water is one of those things you gotta have, SOMEHOW.

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Yeah, one of the reasons texas is out. We have family around Hou and Dallas and they pay 8-10K per year in taxes. The only out is to have land and clam you are a farm. That and there are toll roads everywhere. To claim tejas is free is a joke.
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I live in Houston. You're right, so don't come here. And I'm not being a smart ass. I really mean it. Of course there are still some nice places in Texas with very nice white demographics and white culture --- including a robust gun culture --- but that's all slowly dying. Moreover, there's an inveterate drug abuse problem that's spreading all across America --- including even rural environs in Texas.

The only reason we live here in Houston is that our family has special circumstances which make Texas profitable. It must be noted, however, that Texas is also a good place to be especially when the economy enters the next recession. During the last "Great Recession" Texas did much better than all other states. And that's something to keep in mind when relocating anywhere.

But what if you only care about freedom? Where do you run to?

The northern states are getting ruined by Marxism, too --- even Utah. You can still run; but how long before you can no longer hide? Baron de La Brde et de Montesquieu was a Frenchman who offered some good advice about the best places to avoid tyranny. He rightly said that rice producing regions and all resource-rich regions that could support large populations would always attract tyrants for obvious reasons. Remote areas with a sparse population which lack resources get ignored by Big Brother. Those type of places, according to Montesquieu, can't support government occupation; therefore, they aren't worth bothering with. I agree, and that's why I own a remote place to bugout to. However, with the climate getting colder, perhaps much colder, I now focus on places when the snow won't get too deep.

Good luck in your move.
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The test is whether such a weapon can take a larger magazine than 7 rounds.
That would also preclude the M-1 Garand.
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Karl, the Charleston area is nice, and I (barely) live a "minimum safe distance". If ya ever want to just come explore, I'll rent you a bedroom for a coupla days. It'll cost you 1 bottle of scotch and 3 steaks. I'll cook 'em 1 day and we can eat venison the next, etc. You can email me and I an show you around the "minimum safe distance" areas.
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Don't waste any time looking at Ohio. Sure, if you move far enough out of the inner cities and pits of rapacious, self-entitled soccer moms that are almost ALL suburbs, you can by and large be left alone, but the voters here are ****ing stupid. john kasich got elected governor here twice...need I say anymore?

The only "good" news about the "buckeye" (e.i., worthless nut) state is that the weather and roads are so bad here, we're not magnets for proto-marxists that have fouled their own nests in the blue states. That, and maybe the morbidly obese people here repel the shallow progressive *******s.

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Animal rights activists will try to close down dog and cat kill centers and concentrated feeding operations before they bother with hunting and fishing.

"Cats face the toughest odds at the shelter, with more than half of them 55 percent dying there over the past year. And almost a third of the dogs 31 percent meet that fate." -- https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa....

Farm animals are typically excluded from animal anti-cruelty statutes, but that clause in the 13th Amendment to Florida's constitution, "The humane treatment of animals is a fundamental value of the people of the State of Florida" forgot to exclude farm animals. There isn't anything humane about concentrated feeding operations, plus they pose pollution and health risks to humans. Raising so many animals in such a small area requires constant low level treatment with antibiotics as a prophylactic. This creates the perfect breeding ground for antibiotic resistant bacteria.
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I'd suggest northern New Mexico if it weren't for Albuquerque running roughshod over the rural parts of the state. Even though the state has voted D from time immemorial, the folks up in the rural parts are actually conservative. Or were. The old timers are dying out and being replaced by either their welfare queen offspring or by rich Texans/Californicators.
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