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2018-11-28 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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If the hair doesn't go up on the back of your neck when reading this sort of thing, it damn well should.

It was a moment of the kind that changes lives. At a press conference held by climate activists Extinction Rebellion last week, two of us journalists pressed the organisers on whether their aims were realistic. They have called, for example, for UK carbon emissions to be reduced to net zero by 2025. Wouldn’t it be better, we asked, to pursue some intermediate aims?

A young woman called Lizia Woolf stepped forward. She hadn’t spoken before, but the passion, grief and fury of her response was utterly compelling. “What is it that you are asking me as a 20-year-old to face and to accept about my future and my life? … This is an emergency. We are facing extinction. When you ask questions like that, what is it you want me to feel?” We had no answer.

Softer aims might be politically realistic, but they are physically unrealistic. Only shifts commensurate with the scale of our existential crises have any prospect of averting them. Hopeless realism, tinkering at the edges of the problem, got us into this mess. It will not get us out.

Oh really?

The entire premise rests on the belief that there are exponential tipping points beyond which there is no redemption, ever, when it comes to climate -- and we're driving the Earth's systems in the direction that will reach them.

Let me point that there is no scientific evidence for that position.  None whatsoever.

There is, however, nearly-irrefutable evidence for the converse.  It rests in the fact that we're here, today, on this rock.

What am I referring to?  What are known in concert as buffering reactions.

The Earth possesses them as does every living thing on the planet both through physical chemistry and, in the case of living things, biological process. This is irrefutable fact.

You are alive because of such buffering reactions.  One of hundreds in your body, which is a complex biochemical process, deals with respiration.  The process of biochemical reactions that produce energy in your body result in CO2 and other waste products (uric acid, etc) being released.  The CO2 in the blood stream is a dissolved gas and dissolving a gas disassociates the ions in question; the result is a small amount of CH2O3, or carbonic acid, being present in the blood.  That in turn slightly lowers blood pH since acids, by definition, have a lower than neutral pH.

Your body reacts to this by increasing the respiration (breathing) rate.  The CO2 is thus expelled from the body and the carbonic acid is removed, slightly raising the pH of the blood.  Your breathing then slows.

Let me emphasize something here: The change in pH as a result of this process is extremely small; normal blood pH ranges from 7.35 to 7.45 (7.0 is neutral.)  Yet your body, indeed that of every animal that respires, is tuned to these extraordinarily small changes and responds with a buffering reaction that attempts to reverse that change.  It does so automatically and immediately -- within seconds.

Most people believe that the body keeps arterial O2 saturation in the blood at almost-100% by direct biochemical measurement.  Not so.  This is why you will suffocate silently and painlessly if you breathe an atmosphere that has no oxygen in it.  Your body doesn't think anything is wrong because there is no increase in CO2 level nor change in blood pH, there is no respiratory response or distress (breathing faster trying to get what little O2 may exist), you just pass out and die.

Now if you are chronically diseased (such as by smoking for decades) then this reaction will become damaged.  Normally, without a secondary mechanism to regulate respiration, that condition would immediately kill you as your O2 saturation would fall below lethal limits or your blood pH would go out of the required range to support life.  It doesn't, because the body has a secondary mechanism; it can directly determine O2 saturation to some degree and if your CO2 sensing mechanism is damaged to the point that it doesn't function properly it is capable of taking over sufficiently to keep you alive.  But that "backup" is much slower, much less-precise and your exercise tolerance is essentially zero if your body is using that mechanism.

The Earth has thousands of such buffering reactions.  The oceans, specifically and just as one of these reactions, have an utterly enormous amount of carbonate dissolved in them.  You might recognize that word, and you should, because it's the same molecule -- CO2 -- that is dissolved in the blood.

The oceans (indeed, all bodies of water) constantly exchange CO2 with the atmosphere.  This is known.  But what's not known well at all is exactly what sort of boundaries are on this reaction, where equilibrium points are, what shifts said equilibrium points, or what the shape of the curve looks like in the actual world rather than in a laboratory.  It's a hell of a lot more-complex than it first appears and there's a damn good argument to be made that this singular buffering reaction is largely responsible for the possibility of life on this rock.

Throughout the history of the planet some extremely large disruptive events have happened.  Very large volcanic eruptions that make anything experienced in the history books look like firecrackers and asteroid strikes to name two.  We know these happened because they leave behind direct evidence, and we know roughly when they happened.

In the absence of buffering reactions within the larger context of the planet's chemistry life on this rock would have been extinguished millions of years ago and this would be a lifeless rock.  It wasn't and isn't.

Now it is absolutely true that the Earth cannot support unlimited and permanent exponential population growth of any species.  There is no such thing as permanent exponential growth of anything, ever, period.  You must stop such growth voluntarily at some point or you will be forced to stop by a foldback event where you cannot support what you grew.  This is true for populations and it is true for economies.

Governments refuse to accept this and make promises based on the belief they can violate this law of mathematics.  They're not just "wrong" by accident either -- they know they're lying.

As I pointed out in Leverage behind every unit of GDP is a unit of energy.  Energy can neither be created or destroyed; it can be exchanged through nuclear reactions with matter (E = MC^2 and all) but if stored by some process and then released it is inherently dissipated back into the environment.  Sequestering the product somewhere (again) also requires energy from some other place; CO2 is sequestered into plant material by solar energy as just one example. All chemical reactions have (although often omitted when not being quoted by a chemist or other scientist) an energy term in joules/mol -- either liberated or required.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.

While it would be nice to postulate that we will come up with some sort of Star Trek technology improvement before we hit the natural limits and foldback points of exponential expansion, especially of people, that's not exactly comforting.  Maybe we will and maybe we won't, but history suggests it will be won't and we'll get the nasty.  Nature has a way of doing that, and the "nasty" is frequently something like the plague that kills off a material percentage of the population!

In point of fact warming and higher CO2 levels are, on a planetary scale, beneficial.  Higher atmospheric CO2 levels make plants grow faster, which is good if you need them to either feed people directly or feed animals that then feed people.  In addition while warmer temperatures will shift crop production they too are beneficial in that longer growing seasons also improve crop yields.  While it is absolutely true that severe warming would inundate certain areas that's a local issue, not a global one.  On a global -- not local -- basis if you are interested in trying to sustain an exponential population growth pattern for a longer period of time you want more CO2 in the atmosphere and you want a warmer climate -- period.

This is a function of math, not politics.

If you could stop warming and CO2 emission then you need to also not only stop population growth you must kill off a material percentage of the people already here.  Those screamers who are hollering "emergency!" are in fact intending to do exactly that as it is the only way to get where they want to go.  What they won't discuss is exactly who and how they intend to murder.  May I remind you that at least Hitler was quite clear in who he intended to (and did) target?

But for the globull-warming screamers as I noted recently in this column the more-likely scenario -- by far -- is that we're setting up for a Maunder Minimum sort of event and there is nothing we can do about it since the source is that nuclear-fusion-based flaming ball in the sky commonly called "the Sun."

If if in fact we are at the entry to a prolonged period of much less solar sunspot activity then the decrease in radiation absorbed by the planet will produce not warming but cooling which will utterly decimate global crop production and kill a couple of billion people.

Most of those who die won't be in the "developed" world; the United States and Europe are capable of producing sufficient food, even with crop yields well below current levels, to avoid a famine-style problem.  Other parts of the world have managed to survive exponential population growth by importing food from places like the United States and ifMaunder Minimum style event comes to pass that source will be cut off because we will need that food here.

Thinking though the implications of that sort of thing ought to sober you up fast.  See, starving people do desperate things, and in a world where advanced, mass-destructive weaponry is not only fairly common it can be stolen and "proliferated" if you think such an event is going to take place without at least some of the starving trying to take what they need by force you also need to become a better student of history.

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These people can not be reasoned with, they lack the necessary volume of brain cells

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What is it that you are asking me as a 20-year-old to face and to accept about my future and my life? This is an emergency. We are facing extinction.

Spare me the hyperbole. Even if all of Europe and all of North America go along with this dubious plan, what about the rest of the world? We only represent about 10% of the world's population. Plus, the western world has already massively reduced its so-called carbon footprint. So how much effect would our going to net-zero have? Practically none. Dear snowflake, to have any significant effect on emissions you need to focus your efforts on China, India, Africa, etc. Somehow I don't think they'll be very receptive to your demands.

As an aside, I just did some quick research on historic CO2 levels. Current levels are about 400 ppm. Most of the charts I saw (Wikipedia, NASA NOAA) only graphed the past 400,000 years which shows the infamous hockey stick shaped graph. But after a little more digging I found that during the Jurassic period approximately 200 million years ago CO2 levels were an estimated 1900 ppm. Sentient life exploded on our world at a time when CO2 levels were almost 5 times what they are now. Yes, the dinosaurs are now extinct, but that was due to an ice age thought to be caused by a catastrophic meteor strike, not "extinction level" CO2.
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One small quibble. I believe that if the wealthy in other countries are willing to PAY more for the food the US produces than the poor here, it will get sold to them.
Also, even if there is still subsidized food in the US during such an event it's going to be of the lowest survival level like bulk grain, or that's all the subsidy will pay for if you want to eat to the end of the month.
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Ten years ago I was quite certain that anyone who didn't believe in manmade global warming was a crook or a fool. Then I realized how little I understood about the subject so I asked skeptical folks in The Bar to point in a direction where I could learn more on the subject. Because I had an open mind, it only took a couple days of reading to understand just how poor (it's as terrible as nutritional science, which is saying a lot) climatology/global warming is.

Since then I've followed the debate with a keen interest and to be honest I'm pretty certain that at the atmospheric levels we find today that CO2 has no effect on temperatures, in fact, I'm not even certain the greenhouse effect is even exists. It makes much more sense to me that temperature is controlled by atmospheric pressure, something you can see for yourself just by driving up a mountain. The higher you go, the lower the pressure, the lower the temperature. I don't think it's a coincidence that the highest temperature ever recorded (Death Valley in the early 1900's) was also over 200 feet below sea level.

Sea level rise is not accelerating and there have been very recent periods where temps rose while CO2 was flat and temps went down while CO2 was increasing. Ice core data show over hundreds of thousands of years that in the past that CO2 has always followed changes in temperature and not the other way around. It's obvious to me that CO2 is not the driver of temperatures and people who insist it's so din't understand the most basic of scientific principles... if your hypothesis is contradicted by actual data them your hypothesis is wrong.

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I'm amused to see the same crowd of global warming screamers defending illegal invaders and rape-fugees. These masses are coming from countries with much more simple lifestyles, where they are burning much less fossil fuel, to highly developed ones where they will inevitably "live large" off the rest of us tax donkeys. Complete with smart phones and SUVs.

So what do you think that does to the "carbon footprint" of your average, everyday invader?

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The name of the author of this piece is actually the basis of the word "moonbat".
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"Moonbats" and then some.

Actually, I'm a moonbat watcher. I've been watching them all of my life much like an ornithologist is fascinated with watching birds. One thing I can say with absolute certainty is that Earth's population of moonbats is growing exponentially. How is this happening?Public schools are where normal bat pups are transmogrified into moonbats. End public schools and the moonbat population will decline to manageable levels.

I can also report to you that throughout history there are times and seasons when moonbats go through a very disturbing metamorphosis whereupon very large and very sharp blood-sucking fangs appear. And the thirst for blood becomes so insatiable that something terrifying happens: a moonbat frenzy.

The worst of the worst moonbat frenzies usually coincide with a grand solar minimum, e.g., during the Bronze Age collapse when the Sea Peoples went on a rampage and mankind then experienced a Dark Age.

So, it's global cooling that I'm most concerned about; it's global cooling that's happening. Remember what the Moonbat Prince, Al Gore, said about Kilimanjaro back in 2005? Kilimanjaro would have no snow on it within a decade.

So what's the weather like on Kilimanjaro, today? Here's the weather report:

"A heavy fall of snow, heaviest during Thu afternoon. Temperatures will be well below freezing (max -6C on Wed afternoon, min -7C on Wed afternoon). Wind will be generally light"

Keep in mind that this is summertime in that part of the world. Yeah, snowing in the summertime. And the wintertime was one snow storm after the other, and a real disappointment to Establishment Science. It has been fun looking at pictures and reading the reports of the so called climatology experts who got blasted by whiteouts all throughout 2018.

Moonbats, indeed. We better stop listening to the moonbats and start worrying about frostbite
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You want a laugh go to intellicast and click on the forecast tab and find temperature maps for 10 days 30 days 90 days. I live in Chicago, az and northern Canada and for a laugh riot \I click on each every day and photograph it and check on the next day, These snowflake moronic PHD's flip like a pancake. I know they are full of **** for anything past 10 days and they cant hit better then a coin flip past 5days which \I can do knowing a little about fronts and pressures and jet streams in a stable region as big as the continental US. Yet these idiots send some \berkely pothead to study bristlecone pines or icecores or polar bear scat and want billions in public policy for decades into the future.

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If Musk really wanted to make a difference he would invent the watermelon carcass powered car.

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Heres a nightmare scenario: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez becomes President and decides its time to save the planet from global warming by declaring war on CO2 demons China and India. Too far fetched? When Medicare and SS go bust, people are going to want to blame a boogie man instead of themselves.
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Have you folks noticed that the narrative/verbiage has changed over the years from 'Global Warming' to 'Climate Change' to now 'more Extreme Weather'. It's gotten more subjective and arbitrary.
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I will continue to quietly cut, split, and stack firewood; stash away additional kerosene, Coleman fuel, and other various ways to generate heat. I'm also planting more trees for fuel and food. I will continue to work with cool-weather crops, researching crop maturities that are 20 to 30 days fewer than we currently see here locally, and will begin design work on a greenhouse that will extend the growing season for us. I will continue to insulate some additional workspaces in the barn that are currently non-insulated, and work on rainfall capture, storage and re-use. More native-type plants that are food sources, collected from the northern parts of the state with higher elevations, that would do just as well here with a little additional irrigation, but more importantly, naturally designed to grow, thrive and survive in temperatures that are substantially cooler than at present.

There really isn't any reasoning with these fanatics. They are institutionally weaponized, and some of them will literally kill you to silence your opposition.

This story was all over the front page of today's local fishwrap:

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He looks like a good food source.

Winding it down.
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The region has warmed nearly 2 degrees Fahrenheit since 1900, a change that is at least partly a result of human activity.

@Tsherry, it was only 25 degrees this morning here in north Georgia. I'll gladly take those 2 extra degrees your local rag is wailing about.
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If you haven't seen this it is very interesting. Growing oranges in the snow.
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This is just another cultish, apocalyptic millennial movement, like the countless others that have swept human societies through the ages when under tension and disruption: cargo cults, ghost dance, crusades, Obama, etc etc.

You cannot logic people out of positions that they didn't logic themselves into.
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Then food it shall be.

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This is an emergency. We are facing extinction.

Spare me the hyperbole.

The problem really is that to these people it's NOT hyperbole. They have been taught their entire life that it's fact. They *BELIEVE* it, not just on the surface, but with a thorough and deep indoctrination.

If you don't agree with them, you are the problem. Sound familiar? It should. It's been repeated over and over throughout history, both recent and ancient.

I'm terribly sad that the whole human race is so gullible and easily indoctrinated. It's like a disease. If you get to a society's children early enough, you can make them believe anything. No matter how illogical, only a few will throw off the training and they'll either keep their mouth shut because they're afraid or they'll be ostracized, outcast and made irrelevant.

It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

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Just think about having carbon emissions be reduced to net zero by 2025?

It sounds like you would be very cold and hungry, No heat for you when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. No table full of fresh Veggies in January.

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Those in governments around the world by now know the Global Warming stuff is not going to happen we are most likely going into a cooling period. But as we all know here it was a story to get people all over the world to accept higher taxes "to save the Earth".
I expect more exaggerated "reports" like the one last Friday and their message to become even more shrill because they are running out of time to convince people they need to pay more taxes. They know if the cooling accelerates they will have no chance because more and more people will realize the experts were wrong.

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"Have you folks noticed that the narrative/verbiage has changed"

It hasn't escaped my notice that the lies (semantics) have "changed", but the climate has not yet warmed.

When discussing this subject I cut to the chase: there are basically six possiblities of a long-term climate trend:

1) Earth is cooling without any abnormal weather trauma.
2) Earth is warming without any abnormal weather trauma.
3) Different regions of Earth are warming or cooling or remaining the same but the entire Earth remains in a tight temperature range.
4) Earth's average temperature is stable and there's no problem.
5) Earth is cooling and life on Earth is experiencing abnormal, erratic and changing weather and jet stream patterns which could make or break certain species in the near future.
6) Earth is warming and species will suffer from severe weather trauma because of that 10, 20 or 50 years down the road.

My choice is 5. Earth is cooling, and there's going to be record breaking cold, heat, rain, snow and droughts depending on the region of Earth. When I say that Earth is cooling I don't mean that people in Florida are in for a nice cool breeze during the month of July. What I mean is watch how your ****ing crops get blasted by hail and other weather compression events.... And watch how food prices boom and commodity stocks enter a bubble.

Global cooling won't be pretty, if confirmed. And by confirmed I mean that I'm not God. I'm just a Bayesian critical thinker who sees what he sees. And what I see is lots and lots of snow where there was supposed to be none.
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My nuts are freezing off in places where they usually do not until well into December.

If this is "warming" then why is there snow on the shingles of the house across from where I'm sitting -- when this, before Christmas, is VERY uncommon in this very same place since the 1970s.

Unprecedented, no. But uncommon? Oh hell yeah.

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Funny, I do not see these emotional fem-bots protesting outside of any Chinese embassy. The Chinese are clearly the major polluters on this rock, yet their tears are NEVER directed there. Nothing at the Indian embassies either.

As far as immigration is concerned, I don't see anyone outside of the Mexican embassy imploring/protesting them to clean up the corruption in their country which leads to migration northward. Similar to embassies for Honduras, Guatemala, etc... No protests in front of the Saudi embassy, Iran, again China, etc. re human rights abuses that are not even questioned.

Are we the only people who bend over for this pablum? Apparently.

They are simply ignored by the real perps, so the SJWs have to harass the people who will not beat or 'disappear' them.

Our elected take an oath to serve. Time to add: I will not serve in a capacity which I am not able to comprehend or am incapable of by mental defect of any kind, nor will I use the excuse of intellective deficiency if found in violation of this oath/affirmation, which backs charging wayward politicians with treason.
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