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2018-09-11 08:33 by Karl Denninger
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This morning, 17 years ago, I woke up, flipped on the TV, and saw... a burning high-rise.

Like most people my initial impression was that we had just seen a horrible accident.  A plane crash of the sort that people had thought about, but just accepted as an unavoidable risk associated with aviation.

Then I, and millions of others, watched the second plane fly into the tower -- at full speed, and clearly deliberately piloted.

My reaction was instantaneous as was that of millions of others: That's terrorism.

Today, we still won't call it by it's full name: Islamic terrorism.

Today, we still have refused to hold to account those who allowed various Saudi nationals to leave our nation by private, chartered aircraft while our airspace was closed to all non-military traffic.  Those persons, who we had reason to believe were connected to the funding and logistics involved in this attack and their nation, have never been held to account, nor have the people in our government involved in same -- including Robert Mueller.

Today, we still have not held Jeb Bush's Florida DMV -- or Jeb himself -- accountable for issuing Florida Driver Licenses to terrorists.  I remind you that these were the very IDs used to board the planes, without them the attacks were impossible, and they were issued to people who were not citizens or lawful permanent residents.  We even let Jeb Bush run for President without answering for this outrage.

Today, we still have not done a single material thing about the fact that there is a large group within the Muslim faith that believe their religious code trumps secular law and they are commanded to impose it on any nation in which they live by God.

They believe that any person who does not submit to said code must be destroyed -- not shunned, not ignored, murdered.

They believe that the only options are to convert, to pay jizya, permanent tax (a "capitation", in taxation terms, an annual levy) on all non-Muslims by Muslims, or to die.

They believe that women are responsible for the sexual urges of men and have no rights of independence, and thus must cover themselves so as to not "excite" a man whenever outside their home and in fact may not travel anywhere, even to the store for food, without the permission or even direct presence of "their" guardian, who is either their husband, brother or other man -- as he directs.

They believe that any woman who refuses to so consent, said person being by definition an "infidel" or "apostate" for their failure to voluntarily submit to Muslim teachings on same and is mocked, assaulted or raped deserves what happens as a result of her refusal to behave with "appropriate modesty" and avoid "inflaming" the sexual passions of the man or men who assault her.

They believe that women may not enter the same door, nor use the same place, to worship as men.  There were Americans who believed that black people could not do so too; there were "colored" movie theater entrances and seating areas, bathrooms and similar.  Islam teaches and these people believe this applies to women in the present day and they enforce it.

In fact they believe that the sub-standard status of women extends to childhood and revere their alleged "Prophet" who at almost 50 years of age took a bride aged six or seven, and who consummated said marriage when she was ten. (probably because he knew he'd kill her if he tried it before then.)  There is not one Muslim I have ever encountered who will call this what it was and is: Sexual predation, pedophilia, outrageous, disgusting and worthy of life in prison with your nuts cut off and fed to the prison cat.

Indeed on so-called "social media" today if you merely bring up this fact -- that the so-called "prophet" is considered by any rational, modern individual as a pedophile and child abusing monster you are risking having your account banned.  In other words Twatter, Facesucker and others all promote pedophilia in the name of religion by refusing to allow anyone on their platforms to call it what it is under the claim that such is "hate speech."

These are the people who blew up two civilian buildings, committed an act of war by attacking our Pentagon and tried to attack the US Capitol, but failed due to the actions of the people on board the latter aircraft who died in preventing the last aircraft from reaching its target.

It is certainly true that not all Muslims adhere to this set of beliefs in their own minds but I challenge you to find any who will state out loud or raise hell within their local mosque and demand that all mention of the pedophile prophet be stricken because their alleged "prophet" was a child molesting monster, nor have I ever seen one Muslim make such a statement in public or on Television.

I further dare you to find any Muslim, anywhere, who will state in a loud, clear voice that their religious beliefs are subservient to secular law, has no standing superior to same, that their alleged holy text commanding same is in error and never will they seek to impose same by co-opting, taking over or overthrowing secular government.

The Catholic Church is finally being forced to deal with the abuse of boys and young men by Priests but I've yet to find any evidence in the text of the Bible that Jesus, or any of the apostles, took a child as a spouse and had sex with her at the age of 10.

When do the people of this world who like their buildings standing up and their people alive hold Muslims to the same standard of decency that we apply to everyone else?

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Tripseven
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I believe it will take another large scale 9/11 islamic terrorist attack before people will start talking out loud again. As long as the internet is up, phones working and social media rolling along people don't seem to care much at all about where we are heading.

BTW, still waiting on those "28 Pages" Trump...

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Why are we importing Moslims? For any reason?
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9-11 was a very compact event. it amazed many that buildings directly across the street from the site were in most cases untouched or easily fixable. other than the smell, which was awful, within months walking a very few blocks it was like nothing happened. and even the smell dissipated after a short time. everything was about returning life to normal and for the most part other than those directly affected, it did.

this is the problem. Americans are not directly affected by our country's foreign actions or the consequences of them, namely terrorism. even if the local city has an event like 9-11, they go home to their safe suburbs and exurbs safe in the notion that it is being cleaned up. we are having yearly 9-11 memorials. do the military get such coverage for their memorial events or other aspects of the foreign service? no. it is easy to mourn the fellow citizens who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time with the knowledge that the likelihood of personal experience ranks right up there with being struck by lightning, probably less.

it is going to take a massive disruption, unrecoverable event with effects reaching far beyond its boundaries in terms of the damage and disruption of the system. in other words a nuclear 9-11 where the memorial is within the boundaries of a scorched wasteland that was once a part of a major economically significant city. if any of these nut-jobs figures out how to do this perhaps with the help of a larger state actor and their infiltration network ghettos already here, we will then know what will need to be done.

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And amazingly enough, no president since 9/11/2001 has bothered to enforce the law concerning the overstaying of visas. Despite the Oath of Office that they have all taken to see to it that the laws are faithfully executed. Nor has the Congress stepped up and passed a budget where there would be enough people to enforce immigration laws. Instead the Democrats and the Republican Establishment types want even less enforcement of immigration law.
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Whitehat wrote..

it is going to take a massive disruption, unrecoverable event with effects reaching far beyond its boundaries in terms of the damage and disruption of the system. in other words a nuclear 9-11 where the memorial is within the boundaries of a scorched wasteland that was once a part of a major economically significant city. if any of these nut-jobs figures out how to do this perhaps with the help of a larger state actor and their infiltration network ghettos already here, we will then know what will need to be done


I've heard this expressed similarly as "not enough people died on 9/11". That's basically true. It's going to take a massive disaster for people to wake up and do what needs to be done. It's unfortunate that so many will have to die in order for the public to become angry enough to finally put a stop this this madness.
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Yeah and unfortunately the basic mechanics of producing a nuclear bomb are quite simple. The ONLY difficult part is obtaining the fissionable material, and once you have it the ONLY hard secondary part (assuming you don't care about size, mass, etc -- that is, you're not trying to fit it on a missile) is not scoring an "own goal" through improperly calculating the criticality of your constructed device (and how you assemble it) in the "not exploding now" state.

We killed two people verifying we had the calculations right with the infamous "demon core" during development of our first atomic weapons.

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9/11 is an event that even after all this time makes you wonder just how it happened.

I saw an article recently which dovetailed with my rethinking of 9/11, mainly could Bin Laden really have planned something so sophisticated from his cave in Afghanistan?

When you think of the planning and resources necessary to pull off 9/11 it seems to go against what little I know of terrorist attacks. It seems most terrorist attacks are ones for the moment and maximum shock value. Like using suicide bombers, hijacking a plane, or even blowing a plane up. Things that are relatively easy to pull off rather than 9/11.

Whoever the planner or planners were, they were very imaginative, they had access to plenty of resources and they were willing to spend the 2 or 3 years needed to plan and execute said plan. I am not sure that sounds like Bin Laden and those around him. There would have been a lot of scouting to the U.S., so many details to work out.

I welcome any opinions on this.
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How complicated do you really think getting 19 people on airplanes is?

> so many details to work out.

Indeed. So many that James Woods detected them, and they were reported to the FBI for not wanting to learn how to land planes a good month before 9/11 happened.

And yet here we are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_....

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Ckaminski:

There indeed was a great deal of planing for 9/11, if you don't think so you aren't looking at it logically.
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We killed two people verifying we had the calculations right with the infamous "demon core" during development of our first atomic weapons.


Yes, that was in the movie "Fat Man and Little Boy".

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"When you think of the planning and resources necessary to pull off 9/11 it seems to go against what little I know of terrorist attacks."

It didn't really require much planning and resources: a few guys, some flight training, some knives and dry-run tickets. Probably cost bin Laden under a million dollars, and the reaction cost the US trillions.

Ultimately, they were just exploiting massive security holes created by the US government and it's 'just give in to hijackers' policy. That's where most of the planning and resources came in.

You're right that most terrorist attacks don't have much planning and don't cost much. But that's because most of them aren't very smart. The smart ones are busy looking for security holes they can exploit for the next big attack.
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Ok...ya perked my interest on that demon core....wtf...how about some sort of motorized lift or such to move that **** around...a screwdriver and a thumbhole.... I know this is arm chair qb but wtf.

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The government's first response after the second plane was to ground all aircraft EXCEPT the one caring Saudi Citizens to Saudi Arabia.

US presidents have valued Saudi lives more than US lives.

We should demand US ownership of Saudi oil as compensation for 9/11 as their government has financed the terrorists. We are entitled to much more.
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@Tickerguy -- one does not even have to play around with criticality issues assembling a core and making explosive lenses. the Hiroshima bomb was a simple gun type, uranium 235. it was not even tested as the scientists were sure that it would work which it did.

if one is not concerned with complete, efficient reaction, this is the way to go. it is much less delicate than a plutonium bomb and the fissionable material is much easier to produce. it is even possible to create a less optimal criticality by slamming one plate of U235 into another by hand. and it is easier to shield the radioactivity to hide it in something like a small truck.

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@Whitehat -- oh, I know. I'm just pointing out that really the only gating factor for a crude boom-boom is acquiring sufficiently-enriched fissionable material. That's pretty much it assuming you don't care about small, light, etc...

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