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2018-07-23 09:16 by Karl Denninger
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The FISA Revelations
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The Federal Government, DOJ and FBI are all illegitimate.

That includes Donald J. Trump.

We now know that the infamous Nunes Memo was not hyperbolic partisan screaming, but instead was nearly 100% factual.

We now know that the FBI and DOJ intentionally concealed that the Steele "Dossier" was a Democrat-funded hit piece from the FISA judge.

We now know that the FBI and DOJ also intentionally concealed and intentionally misrepresented the source of "news pieces" on the salacious material in said dossier; they were in fact fed to said "media" by the author of the dossier and were not independently developed in the media.  The FBI and DOJ knew this and lied in all of said FISA applications.

We further know that the United States Congress, specifically the US Senate's SCCI (Select Committee on Intelligence) was actively involved in said deception.

Quite damning, we also now know, with certainty, that both sides of the aisle were involved in these deceptive acts; it was not only Democrats.

And finally, we also know that Trump, the President, knows all of this and yet he has done nothing about it despite having the power to declassify and thus expose to the public anything he wishes, at any time, under the authority that every President has had.

He has not fired any of the people responsible in the DOJ or FBI.

He has not declassified the material required to rip the veil from the rank corruption in The Senate.

He has not declassified the material required to rip the veil off the funding sources for the Steele Dossier.

He has not ripped the veil off the IG Report's classified sections which document in specificity that Clinton's entire illegal email server, containing and transiting some 30,000+ emails including some that contained classified materialwere stolen through manipulation of the server software (likely a "blind copy" option set in the configuration) and sent to a state actor that was not Russia (it must be assumed this was the Chinese, although given the Awan fiasco it could have been Pakistan -- declassifying the document would show us exactly where they went.)

And he has not demanded prosecution of any the people involved in any of the above despite the fact that all of the above constitute serious federal felony offenses against the United States Government and the people.

Instead all he does is scream "fake news!" and "witchhunt!"

Why?

There is only one reason: Donald J Trump is not interested in stopping these practices in general nor in punishing anyone involved in them, the count of which would run into the hundreds and include dozens of sitting members of Congress.   He wants to abuse these powers himself against his enemies, exactly as did Obama, and as soon as the focus comes off him personally he will.

This in turn makes the entire Federal Government illegitimate and in fact worse than the illegitimacy that caused 1776, which was merely over the lack of representation.

Congress, The Executive, the Judiciary, the entire Federal Government from top to bottom is black-letter illegitimate.

Those of you on the left and right better cut the hero worship and demonizing the other side you've all been involved in -- right ****ing now.  If you don't, and if both sides of America fail to demand and enforce that this garbage stop and everyone involved be both publicly unmasked and go to prison, without exception, you will rue today as the path we are on is inevitably leading to a civil war right here in this country.

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It might be that Trump is waiting until after the mid-term elections to see if he has the political capital to do as you suggest. If the Republicans pick up seats in the Senate, Trump will be in a position to clean out the FBI and the DOJ and put a stop to Mueller.
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Oh Jesus @Mgpacher -- will you cut the ****ing hero worship horse**** already?

YOU are the reason this **** continues. That exact ****. GO **** YOURSELF.

 

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Quote:
He wants to abuse these powers himself against his enemies, exactly as did Obama, and as soon as the focus comes off him personally he will.


THIS. I had no doubts Trump was just as corruptible as the others. We are the modern day Roman Empire. This ends in collapse. And most American's don't give a damn so long as they get their bread and circuses.
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I completely agree that all these criminals need to be immediately fired and prosecuted. At the least fired, to revoke any government access for them until they can be prosecuted. I don't understand why any of these criminals is still working for the U.S. Govt. Even worse, that Mueller is giving amnesty to the top criminals and he should have been fired a long time ago. Mueller is protecting the swamp and the only way to stop him is to remove him now. Who cares who it pisses off! These people are trying to take down our government and should be tried for sedition. Wake up America!
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Trump won't do it because he wants the same access Obama had, and to use it for the same purposes.

Remember, Obama armed Mexican drug lords and sent BILLIONS to Iran, in CASH. Both were ridiculously illegal at a felony level, yet nobody went to prison for it. So was fomenting a bogus FISA warrant via perjury, which, since it implicated surveillance otherwise illegal, is a criminal act as well.

There were MYRIAD people in Congress who were aware of it on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE and did NOTHING.

Now TRUMP has done nothing.

ON PURPOSE.

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Trump has known all about the collusion against him. He cannot dismantle the cabal overnight, it would throw the entire government into serious disarray, and co-conspirators would be missed who would do more damage afterwards.

Have a little faith.

The process will take years.
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Oh please.

"Have a little faith"?

Total and complete bull****.

"It's just the tip."
"Just one more rape, then I'll stop him."
"Your kid's ******* is for God; we can't jail that priest."
"It's only a few jihadis."
"Don't worry, your daughter won't be next."
"If we went after it there would be too much damage."

ENJOY THE ASS-RAMMING SAILOR, but do it SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 


 

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Trump is just a charade to entertain his mass of followers / idol worshipers. This isn't going to end well.

$0.02

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I don't know about everybody else, but I am sick and tired of it only being a problem, it only being illegal, and it only being corruption if it's somebody else's guy doing it.
It's illegal. He knows.
Who cares if it puts the government in disarray? The government is already out of control, and in disarray.
Not fixing it is not an option.
If you see it as a problem, you fix it.
If you don't fix it, you don't see it as a problem.

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^^yep^^ If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

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People talk about "Trump derangement syndrome." There's a more deadly one that always hangs on the promise of someone that had done nothing but repeatably lie - "Trump Illusion Syndrome."

This is where people totally suspend reality and put on a pair of rose colored glasses to deceive themselves that all will be ok.

Here are the facts - NOTHING is ok. We are headed for an economic storm. Government is not your friend. It has been out of the control of the people for some time now. So screw the government and its operatives. Its nothing but a now illegitimate criminal bureaucracy. No one gets way with stuff like this unless all the players involved are conspirators themselves.

Where are all the so called "brave and honorable" governmental employees calling this **** out. Yeah ..... I can hear the crickets chirping.



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brave and honorable tit-suckers... that cracks me up, Vernonb.

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I voted for Trump so that he would drain the swamp...and I've been taking it up the ass ever since.
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they are too busy counting their days to retirement....one minute at a time on the gov clock.... Wife used to work in that realm 25 years ago...couldn't stand it as everyone was doing nothing and those that were called on bull**** ended up getting promoted!

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perhaps the great Alpha male Trump is actually a coward. you should read the hero worship that goes on in the online venues known as the manosphere, basically men who want better for men in many areas. since the dirtbag-un-chief started his campaign they have been off the reservation contorting any logic to see him as the second coming. it is sickening how once erudite male authors take his BS to heart.

Trump has always served as a cathartic outlet for certain powerless males who have quoted him for decades and held him up as a man doing what all men should be able to do. never mind the fact that his modeling agencies were probably nothing more than a prostitute screening service for him, and his wife is as mail order Eastern European Bride as they come, sorry cum.

drum roll, the new twisted logic from his supporters will be that he is waiting for his second term in that he will be a lame duck who can do anything without being concerned about being reelected. have not read it or heard it anywhere yet, but it's coming, guaranteed.

why doesn't he risk it all now? because this presidency is just another notch in his belt. not being reelected could make his one term seem like a fluke. it is all ego with him. people who understood knew that he would do this at this age, and he did.

if you are not willing to risk everything, you are willing to lose everything. most evil triumphs because supposedly good people do nothing by risking nothing.

@Tickerguy and @Captainkidd, you said it well.

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The big lie that we have been sold is that we are divided Left/Right. When the Left has a dictator, they cheer for Their Guy. When the Right has a dictator, they cheer for THEIR Guy.

In reality, we are divided Authority/Liberty. THAT is where humanity falls, not Left/Right. But it is easier to gain control with a succession of dictators if we are led to believe that the spectrum is about policy, and not about freedom. Left/Right is fundamentally a difference of legalities and technicalities. Authority/Liberty is the true division of power, which is why we are kept from ever learning this.
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It wouldn't surprise me if he's been told straight out that if he fires everybody in sight that he can theoretically fire, then he and people he cares about will be killed.
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You know how you neuter that?

You publicize it and SPECIFICALLY NAME THE PEOPLE WHO TOLD YOU THAT.

There is no other way; that the THREAT was made means that there are people who either (1) aren't really in the position to do it, nor do they intend to or (2) there ARE people really in the position to do it, AND they intend to.

IF it's (1) then you win BIG by publicizing it, never mind locking people up under existing statutes.

If it's (2) then you WILL eventually be targeted and thus unless you intend to resign and slink off into the darkness (which he doesn't intend to do) YOU HAVE NO DEFENSE OTHER THAN TO MAKE IT KNOWN YOU WON'T KNUCKLE UNDER OR REMAIN SILENT when threatened.

Either way the only way to win is to go public with it immediately, loudly, and prosecute the **** out of everyone involved, naming names so that IF you (or worse, your family) is targeted the result is an IMMEDIATE uprising and everyone even tangentially identified as being involved is instantly slaughtered by the American people at-large.

IF there really ARE people intending such a thing with the opportunity, motive and means then you ONLY way to put a cork in it is to make ******n sure they know that half the nation will hunt every one of them down and murder every single one of them AND ALL OF THEIR LIVING RELATIVES if they try it.

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even if he has not been told that he will be sanctioned and just assumes it from what he was told over the years or figured in some way if these two points are true to any degree, he was NOT forced to take the job.

you take positions like this with your eyes open so either he is stupid or had designs other than being a noble and honest president who does right and proper. there are not other possible options. stupid or corrupt.

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https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/07/....
recently discovered this website and how appropriate to our discussions here. this is the type of enforcer that Trump will become when and if the time is right. he is no different than many recent presidents in capacity for evil which Karl rightly says he wants to keep this power in reserve for himself.

there is no evil-lite. Trump's supporter need to learn this, but they are only interested in their agenda. a moral society cares as much about how something is achieved as what is achieved.

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Trump is not doing anything because this is his get out of jail free card. They cant charge him without discovery.

Or he might be ready to make indictments.

My guess is its the first. And that makes him a pussy. Id just as soon he go back to Trump Tower. If your balls arent big enough get the **** out of the job.

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People know 'intellectually" the government should be purged, but nothing will happen done until the masses feel real pain.

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One thing is certain. The DC government is corrupt and it revolves around the FBI, DOJ and Intel. I think a lot of us have wondered why Trump hasn't acted on this except he ay have been advised against it, knowing it would eventually come out or that the swamp would have screamed so much, the content would have been missed.


I, for one, have believed this to be exactly how it is coming out, from the start. I have also seen dozens of cases from the past, where the FBI, CIA or others covered themselves, using classified to cover their crimes. Every person that isn't a NAZI, other fascist or communist should be more than concerned, but appalled the government acts is this fashion. To watch the Democrats obstruct the Congressional investigation on this matter scares me. I believe most close to the national party knew from the start this was fake. They can't be that stupid.


I have to believe Trump has let this crawl out to find out who is who. Think the Republicans raising hell for him meeting with Putin didn't show some hands. Also, the Democratic Party needs to bear the brunt of the Damage on this issue. It is going to get steadily worse for them, the next 90 days.


We, on this board, remember Place Holder. The bastard is talking about running for President. He might be worse than Obama and I would suspect the equal of Hillary.


One thing is sure. There are hundreds of people in DC that need to go to prison. I think the average American would be blown away, if they knew the number of major league crooks in and out of Congress and the bureaucracy. Comey? They put him on the board of directors of HSBC, after he had been in the DOJ. What the hell is a bureaucratic lawyer doing on the board of an international bank? Well, it might be to placate the United States government on the charge of money laundering? Fine, no one goes to jail, then Comey becomes FBI director, exonerates Hillary, frames Trump then gets his pal Mueller to run interference for more than a year. Mueller? If the Whitey Bolger trial has any truth to it, Mueller was trading immunity for protection. Looking at the amount of toilet paper the government attorneys were using, I suspect this to be true. By that time Mueller was FBI director.


Putin mentioned a guy named Bill Browder at the press conference the other day. After the bull**** I have followed the past 18 months, I trust Putin as much as about any Senator in DC. I have been following Lee Stranahan for a year and he contends Browder is a champion liar and behind much of this collusion story. He says Browder runs a lot of offshore tax scams for Senators, which might be why the Senate don't care when this guy lies to them and why the press blows him. Browder is an expatriate, so he doesn't owe taxes.


Why is Hillary not in jail? I suspect it is because the Clintons are masters of gaining partners in crime. I saw where the Clinton Foundation spent $131 million and paid less than $9 million to charitable causes in 2013. They get their money in million dollar chunks and larger. Charles Ortel says the Foundation has never been lawful for anything other than building a library in Arkansas and has never filed a legitimate tax return. Ortel identified the financial weakness of GE in 2007-2008, so he has some legitimacy. Why are 50 states and the IRS passing on this pool of corruption?


I'm going to give Trump a short term pass. Plenty of people I follow on Twitter are into whether he puts some people in jail. We need a bombshell to pry these people out and maybe some time to show who they are. I believe the biggest opposition to Trump is the fear he will expose the corruption in DC. It is time.

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He's not going to do **** -- except exploit it himself.

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