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2018-07-19 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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This Is How Dangerous Capabilities Are Normalized
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Nobody who is sane would argue against using advanced scientific techniques to catch someone who rapes and murders a child.

An Indiana man confessed Sunday to the 1988******and murder of an 8-year-old girl after investigators linked evidence found on the child's body and in a series of creepy notes sent after the killing to DNA samples extracted from used condoms in the suspect's trash, court documents showed.

The cops got the "lead", presumably, by using one of the "public" DNA database systems (e.g. 21 and me, etc.)  This in turn led them to look at this guy's trash because they were able to narrow the potential matches to a small number of people, which they needed no warrant for (he threw it out voluntarily) and in there they found used condoms.  From that they were able to nail him conclusively.

What keeps the cops from doing this for something as routine as a traffic ticket is that it's relatively expensive and time-consuming.  That will not be the case for very long.

It is nearly a Holy Grail sort of thing for marketers and other business folks to find a near-zero-cost and fast means of instantly identifying someone with exacting specificity.  Doing that allows taking gross advantage of you in terms of what's marketed to you and at what price, yet it is allegedly "color blind" and thus does not, by definition, raise "discrimination" questions.

The problem is that the technology to do this isn't far off and a whole lot of people not only subject themselves to it voluntarily they also screw everyone in their family at the same time, who did not consent, because there is enough of a match between family members who share one or both parents to narrow the list of possible matches to a few people.  As such if anyone in your family consents to such a service by uploading their DNA everyone in that family, including those not yet born of the same people, inevitably has their privacy impacted without any possibility of consent.

Of course the visceral reaction when a scumbag like this guy gets caught is to cheer -- loudly.  He got away with raping and murdering a kid 20 years ago, or so he thought.  20 years later, he's busted -- conclusively so.

The problem isn't with using technology like this to catch rapists and murderers like this.  It's that as technology advances the cost of such isolation of one person out of a possibly field of billions will drop from both a lot of time and money to effectively zero time and fractions of a cent.

At that point there will be exactly nothing you can do as any hint of privacy, anywhere, will have been irrevocably destroyed. 

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Whossane
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It's ironic that the year in which he committed the crime was also the year in which the Supreme Court legalized searches of garbage. (California Vs Greenood) I'm sure it's just one of many decisions that helped to strip away our right to privacy but I remember it specifically because I had just moved out of my parent's house and was renting my first place. In addition to the rent I was also making arrangements for the utilities and the trash collection.



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Wish I didn't read the linked story. What a subhuman piece of s##t! Wish we could stake to an anthill. Taking solace that child rapists and murderers tend to have a short shelf life in prison, the sooner the better. Heart goes out to the family. Lord
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There was a huge gap in the train of possession there. They made of huge assumption the condom was used by the target. They could test him directly after arrest, but the arrest itself was tainted by not having a provable direct link from the evidence to him. I'm surprised his lawyer didn't jump on that. Want to mess up somebody's life? Put evidence of a crime in his trash.
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The point is that they don't care and neither does anyone else since nobody wants to see a child rapist and murderer go free.

That's how they turn something outrageous into something accepted and "normal".

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They get this guy and no objections and then they use it against their personal and political enemies.


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The ability to do this is scary but I cant come up with how it can be used against most everyone. This guy and at least one other I read about were caught because they left behind DNA that was matched. The fact that my brother was tested means I would be exposed if I left something at a crime scene. I suppose I could come under suspicion if a close relative did something criminal but as far as discrimination for employment or insurance they would need to work backwards from me and I don't see how they do that except by name I guess and even if he was an insurance risk doesn't mean I have the same genetic problem. Something Im missing??
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Yep @Benthere -- it doesn't matter if you have the same genetic problem, only that you're more susceptible to it.

If I can cut my health care expense as an employer by 50% (and I can quite easily get there, and perhaps even higher!) in this fashion you can bet your ass everyone who's able to figure out how to do it without getting hammered with a lawsuit will.

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I'm about to start a new job and there's a 30% cut in my health insurance premium (call it a $20 cut for each of 26 paychecks a year) if I sign up for the company Wellness Plan. So if the health insurance company (either Kaiser or United HealthCare) has a million customers that take advantage of this it's a $20 x 26 paychecks per year x 1M enrolled membrs or a $512M cut to their collected premiums!
FYI, "Participation in the Wellness Program will require confidential biometric screenings and completion of an HRA (Health Risk Assessment). This information will be collected confidentially by a third party and only aggregate results for the group as a whole (de-identified data with no employee information will be provided to [the company]"
So the employer does not get identifiable information but the health provider does. Got it.

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It's not an issue of "cooperation" vs "go it alone": it's a question of involuntary vs voluntary relationships.
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I contemplate the new-found contempt Modern Liberalism has for Freedom of Speech and, if I accept that one of their goals is a large reduction in world population, I wonder if they will turn on the LGBT+ community (gently at first, then with greater force) once that particular goal has been achieved (and by implication the LGBT+ community has served its purpose).

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It's not an issue of "cooperation" vs "go it alone": it's a question of involuntary vs voluntary relationships.
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Jduwaldt wrote..
I wonder if they will turn on the LGBT+ community


The useful idiots are always next up against the wall after the bourgeois have been shot.

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Jduwaldt: If that's the case, they won't turn on the population that can't breed until breeding is necessary again.

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the way that this information will be provided to interested parties such as potential employers or the insurance industry is through the first leak of the information even if it is illegal by legal statute or DNA collection service agreement or for that matter genetic or other assays of routine blood tests. your tagged data could be that you are interested in obtaining information for such and such disease or DNA predisposition. just switching the word to interested implies consent and it will be hidden so deep in the process as to never be date stamped. of course the entire DNA profile will follow the interest to all marketing profiles related to you, done deal.

Here is how to **** it up. find the most healthy persons that you know with no documented risks to anything problematic including criminal, different races would probably help or healthy older people close to the age of death. you could travel to another country with a few of the consumer testing kits. send a different sample to any and all such DNA profiling services using your real name, all details such as address and social security number. congrats, you are one of the healthiest people alive. they are not interested in seeing if the DNA sequence repeats in the larger systems. if you are ever asked about an inconsistency, simply say that you really did not know your parents, perhaps your mother had an affair or perhaps you were adopted.

you can also have healthy friends take blood tests in your name. i use a different name and address for the few instances where i take a blood test, not because the assay will come up with something bad, just in case they do DNA profiling for anonymous research purposes only. some might ask how do you know that your donors are healthy. older people kind of self prove and often know the history of their extended family. they are often not in the system. get creative. there are so many ways to get those swabs of DNA . . .

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