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2018-07-10 08:55 by Karl Denninger
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I'm tremendously impressed.

All of Thai boys and their coach are out of the cave, alive.

My read on the odds of this was that they had basically zero chance of success.  But both skill and the weather cooperated sufficiently.  The only casualty was a SEAL who ran out of air (or had a malfunction of a rebreather; the actual cause hasn't yet been disclosed and may never be.)

The water level dropped sufficiently that most of the path was not underwater on the way out.  This was, without question, one of the keys to success.  Without it they had no chance -- with it, well, they had actual success.

So on a day when liberals and far-conservatives alike are screaming in horror... there is one piece of good news.

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Themortgagedude
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ToldYaSo. But I think I was terribly naive and over optimistic.

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Yep to both.

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This is indeed great news. Those divers that repeatedly risked their lives to save those kids are just plain amazing. KDs explanation of just how impossible a task this was going to be (based on his actual knowledge of diving) really cemented how slim a chance these kids had.

To hear that these guys pulled it off, just makes me so happy. In a world where you just hear crap day after day, this is truly impressive.

Kudos to the dive team. RIP Saman Kunan (https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a22088.... )

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Amazing. Both the fact that they got them out alive and the huge effort to do so.

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Indeed it was a great team effort. Feels good. Thank god that politicians and central bankers were not given an opportunity to meddle in this and screw it up!
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Yup kill been...got them out before musk could pick it up.

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I think there's a chance that we were oversold a little on the difficulty of the mission. Or they were extremely lucky to be able to pump out as much water as they did. I don't think we have the same outcome if the boys would have had to scuba their way out as far as it first appeared.

Thank God for the results. Stories like this show the better side of the human race. The engineering that was done to enable this, the flat out balls as big as church bells rescue effort, the kids resilience - you can't write a better story.

The two cave divers that found the boys and then led the rescue effort should be inducted in the Scuba Divers Hall of Fame. And dammit if there isn't one let's start one and name it after them.

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Way to keep a cool head rescuers!

Ought to make an excellent movie!

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Dont over look stupidity that led to this Im happy a great outcome lesson 1 dont spelunk in monsoon season lesson 2 dont spelunk Sorry a diver lost his life trying rescuing a stupid adult from his error. Ive dove wrecks but wont go near anywhere inside and caves give me the willies even when dry Bet those boys will stay in sunlight for years
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I'm not criticising the coach like many others, as far as the facts are known to me he deserves a medal for keeping them alive and in good spirits for such a long time.

Nobody commentating here or anywhere else knows at this stage what sequence of events made them end up 4km from the cave entrance.

The warning sign outside the cave says do not enter in July, they entered on 23rd June as far as I am aware.

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I didn't have a lot of hope, so this is incredibly good news. No one wishes death for children, after all. I would not be surprised if the locals take a second look at this "cultural rite of passage" after this, though. I can think of many of my ancestors' cultural traditions that I am more than pleased aren't observed anymore.
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Quote:
lesson 2 dont spelunk


If you need any convincing, read about why Nutty Putty Cave was closed to the public & concreted over.

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Into The Darkness (2011) - A documentary about an expedition to explore a massive flooded cave in Northern Italy. Featuring the two divers who found the lost Thai children.



from reddit/docs

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https://twitter.com/MaheshBhatt2016/stat....

Video at link, how they were brought out of the cave. Brilliant idea.

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A great ending to what should have been a catastrophe..

As to why they went so far into the cave..perhaps it was to escape the rising water and they just moved further in to higher ground..instincts.

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Looks like they were drugged as well. In the parts where they were not submerged, they were carried out on stretchers. Explains why the head diver/doctor was and anesthiologist.

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This makes more sense as to the outcome. I was really amazed those kids were able to control their emotions during those dives. This explains it and puts the onus on those divers to make sure they took their time, paid attention to details and stayed focused on the task at hand.

I am very impressed!!!

Gutsy move that allowed the divers to be the ones reacting to changing conditions and the situation as it progressed, versus the kids/coach.


Even though this operation unfolded with the best possible outcome for those kids and coach, a Thai SEAL diver lost his life.
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With a full-face mask that's workable -- it's the only way, in fact, since with a conventional regulator (or rebreather mouthpiece) you must CONSCIOUSLY retain it in your mouth. Drop it and you drown.

A full-face mask makes that a non-factor.

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Ace: They were drugged.

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Asimov,

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I was under the impression they were "training" those kids for the dives necessary, something that just seemed formidable for kids who couldn't even swim. I saw how tight some of the bottle necks were in that cave system and had just assumed they wouldn't be able to just drug them up and haul them out.

I was wrong. I am glad they were able to formulate a plan and work it till they had them all out.
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This is a good quote from the diver:
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I dive for a passion and always wondered if it would have purpose.
Last two weeks was what I prepared for my entire life. - John Volanthen


There are several good follow-up posts here:
twitter #ThailandCaveRescue

such as:
https://news.sky.com/video/british-cave-....
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Did they widen some of the openings to make it easier to maneuver the boys thru?

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