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2018-07-05 09:36 by Karl Denninger
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Charge The Employers With Being Accessories to Rape
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I have an answer to this problem:

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency joined the nationwide search for three men accused of kidnapping and raping two teen girls in Ohio, authorities said.

A fourth suspect has been arrested and charged in the alleged crime, police said Tuesday.

These are the very people the Democrats and others who want "lenience" and a "path to citizenship" are arguing for.

They are all not citizens.  The arrested one is from Guatemala.

How do we deal with this?  That's not really very hard:

The men were in the Bowling Green area working – two as dry wallers and one at Greenline Foods, according to WTOL-TV. They were reportedly staying in the motel, as were the girls with their mother.

Since an accessory before the fact to a crime is someone who enabled through their willful actions the commission of said crime, and either knew or had reason to know that their actions were unlawful in doing so, then the answer is to for any illegal that commits a serious criminal offense charge the employers, personally, as accessories before the fact.

This means in this case we have a grocery store manager and the builders who hired these clowns that get charged as accessories before the fact to rape.  As an accessory you are equally liable for the crime itself.

Toss those employers in prison for 20 years on a rape charge and the "attraction" of employing illegal invaders will go to zero in an afternoon.  Make the only affirmative defense to such a charge proof that you used E-Verify and have a control number for that specific person you can produce.

Don't have it, said illegal invader commits a felony and you go to prison.

**** these employers -- they're personally responsible for the rape.  Period.

And oh by the way, if you shop at Greenline foods in Dayton?  You condone rape.

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Jduwaldt
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Great suggestion but know this won't fly because the Broward County Sheriffs Office will be up on the dock next. Oh, and if the FBI really did run a shooter's drill at that school three weeks prior? Then they're up too.

Unless they claim sovereign immunity, of course. Funny how these same people are so against the concept of a sovereign citizen, I guess they don't like competition.

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Those with sense know this should not even be an issue, these guys (and gals) should not be here stealing our jobs. Cooperation are sending enuff jobs south of the boarder they should be able to find their own employment in their own country - Or the first country they came looking for sanctuary in.

The employers are directly responsible for the theft from Social Security too. I cannot work in this country without paying my SS, Medicare and other government taxes.

Karl's idea is great, but good luck on getting anybody within the system to go along with it.

And the SJW idiot's would be yelling and threatening violence against us, because we must protect the guilty.

If all these guys are from Guatemala, I wonder if the police would have even been called. There are some crimes that the community takes care of.
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I don't know if it would hold up.

And I don't know if it should. Kind of torn on that. But if I drive Joe to the bank and he robs the bank I'm an accessory to the crime. And if I know Joe had a gun it makes it pretty difficult for me to argue that I was not complicit.

Personally I'd prefer looking at his employment records and prosecuting the employer for hiring illegals. But i think that's a max penalty of $10K, not a really effective deterrent if you only impose it after crimes are committed. Need to just start pulling up at employers and levying fines. And offering whistle blower money.

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I don't know if it would hold up.

And I don't know if it should. Kind of torn on that. But if I drive Joe to the bank and he robs the bank I'm an accessory to the crime. And if I know Joe had a gun it makes it pretty difficult for me to argue that I was not complicit.

Absolutely it holds up; to be an accessory before the fact your act must (1) in some way contribute to the ability of the person who commits the offense to offend and (2) be taken with either knowledge of an illegality or with reckless disregard, that is, a willful refusal to make reasonable inquiry.

If I give you a ride to the bank and I know that you have a gun on you then I go to prison as an accessory before the fact to the robbery. If you SHOOT SOMEONE while robbing the bank I get charged with MURDER, even though I didn't know you intended to shoot in the commission of the crime. The latter doesn't matter; I enabled the offense and I either knew you were intending something unlawful OR I recklessly disregarded any sort of inquiry, on purpose.

The employer either KNEW the persons were illegal *or recklessly disregarded* inquiry into same. By doing so he enabled the commission of the offense since by employing them he not only caused them to be there he made possible the payment of the rent at the hotel. But for his willful negligence and intentionally illegal act of hiring them, which is a crime, the offense would not have been committed.

That fits the legal requirements for being charged as an accessory; the conduct of the employer was unlawful and it directly contributed to the ability for the offender to commit the offense.

Bingo. To prison you go for RAPE.

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I see your argument. But a lot of good arguments fail in court. That said the act of charging them would go a long way towards correcting the problem. You'd see a whole change in attitude by employers.

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This would be a great time for DJT to issue an executive order calling for manadatory e-verify. Cite this and other cases as the reason why and watch the splodey heads.

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Point: there is no Greenline Foods in Dayton, OH
There is Greenline Logistics in Bowling Green, OH
http://www.greenlinefoods.com/gl/
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I think about the Muslims raping women in Sweden and the south of the border turd world barbarians coming here for the same.

You can not deal civilly with barbarians. They only understand force and power. Total castration then deportation is how you deal with this issue. They will then be laughing stocks in their own country. I might even be willing to consider similar for their enablers.



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I have another idea.

As I mentioned, I recently started with a large agricultural company, and we use a lot of seasonal labor. Upon receiving my first paycheck, I was apprised of what they paid for my unemployment insurance, and it was approximately 6% of my gross. Assuming every collects the maximum amount, this implies that my probability of getting fired and doing so is 20%. This is clearly not the case.

Now, the seasonal laborers do get laid off, and they do get to collect. Illegals are unable to collect unemployment in my state (also even in CA, according to Legal Aid). I haven't worked through the math to apportion the UI cost to the seasonal labor yet, but it is likely a massive amount. I was told we use legal labor, and these sorts of numbers would suggest to me that we do.

So, if we want to make illegal labor cost as much as legal labor, why not open up unemployment benefits to them? We could signal virtue, and at the same time hit the problem employers in the wallet.

Just a thought.
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Because they're not paying the employment taxes to begin with what makes you think they pay those?

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Well, when the worker goes to get his unemployment, the state is going to wonder why that premium isn't paid. It's experience rated after the first year. The illegal rats himself out, and the employer gets hung when the state comes after the money.
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Hmm. I'm changing my mind. If #MeToo could be brought to drink from this particular trough, you would think they would support charging the employer as an accessory. I wouldn't bring up e-Verify as part of the solution though, they would drop their support.

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Rollformer wrote..
. . . why not open up unemployment benefits to them (illegals)?
How about because the desired state of illegals in the US is "on the way out" and, in order to encourage that, they need to be unemployable and not eligible for any publicly funded benefits?

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we do not need new contortions of the system or laws for that matter to solve the problem. it is simply a matter of following and enforcing existing laws and their penalties. i have always played by the rules but know others who did not, and in the very few instances where the laws and penalties are enforced they got a nasty surprise. if say the local landscaper or other businesses who have been doing this for a few decades faced criminal tax and fee evasion charges along with interest and penalties on moneys not paid due to hiring illegals there would be some day of reckoning. the IRS by statue as well as most state revenue collection agencies cannot waive interest only penalty. additionally, when there is criminal charge at the federal level a nasty little fact comes into play. well over 95% of defendants who decide to go to trial are convicted. this is a fact that i have verified with many attorneys who practice in the federal courts. most cases are settled with plea agreements which in the case of taxes and fees means that everything owed must be paid in full. can you say bye-bye, houses, investments, toys, retirement funds, etc. this according to my contacts reaches to the personal even when dealing with corps run properly as the president and other officers such as spouses are held liable for their actions in the corp which is usually held closely for small businesses, often as a pass through entity. the primary residence is always up for grabs and they will put people out into the street. there is never any mercy for the primary residence including homestead states.

all that needs to be done is investigate the current state of the business, identify the number of illegal workers and impute the violations based upon business volume in past years as the volume would have been impossible without the illegal workers. where income has been hidden by cash transactions, revisit the concept of lifestyle audits to ascertain what the business volume might have been.

there is a rule in the federal courts; you are always convicts.

so why do we need schemes, protests, digital ink, whatever? the system has its own fix. perhaps we need to investigate whether there is any liability on the authorities for not imposing the penalties and collecting monies due the people. this would be truly interesting.

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I'm good with charging them. They'll have their day in court to defend themselves. If they took reasonable steps from ensure they were citizens and were lied too then they're off the hook.

In addition go after everyone for hiring illegals. Shut down their source of income. Tell the illegals that if caught we'll seize what we can of theirs and crack down on welfare abuse.

Anchor babies can get easier citizenship, but not the parents. They take the kid home or the kid becomes a ward of the state.

I'm for open boarders, but you can't with welfare. You also have to have some security / entry vetting. Since welfare isn't going away I really haven't given it a ton of thought, so there could be more I'm missing...

I still say we return them by C-130... First parachute is free... There won't be a second one given... :p

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Cobra - I recommend the Monty Python Cow-tapult

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I've been saying for years that if you stop giving the aliens free stuff and perp walk a few mid size company CEOs (Blue Diamond Almonds, Tyson Chicken, sunmaid raisens, etc.) this problem ends overnight.

But hey, spend 5 billion on a wall and keep the welfare/workfare state if you want. Pfft.

On a side note, the new President of Mexico is a Marxist...tick tock...
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The United States should hold illegal aliens to the same standards found in their original country or origin. On that note, if anyone knows of another country I can waltz into and demand special rights and services let me know. Preferably one with welcoming legal committees (like ACLU) sanctuary cities, free healthcare, welfare and get of of jail free cards.
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