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2018-05-31 11:00 by Karl Denninger
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Well well look what we have here...

Outdoor brands who partner with Insect Shield have new evidence to boast about.

A recently-released study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has found that clothing treated with insecticide permethrin really does deter ticks, including those that carry Lyme disease and other serious illnesses.

I wrote about this back in early 2017 and yes, it works.

Yes, you can treat existing clothing too, cheaply.

In addition you should treat fabrics that insects will or must touch to come in contact with you, which in the context of camping gear and such means your sleeping bag and tent.

As I pointed out at the time you can get the actual treatment cheaply at WalMart (among other places); I believe BassPro also sells it.

One caution: Do not allow the liquid anywhere that a cat can come in contact with it as it can kill cats.

Incidentally permethrin is the same substance that is in flea and tick treatments for dogs.  The reason the labels all say "do not use on cats" is the above.

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I went to Tanzania back in 08 and before I went I treated all of my clothing with permethrin. No problems at all. If I were planning on doing any outside activities where I might be in any brush or wooded area I would be treating my clothing. Heck, I might do some of it anyway just in case something comes up that would require me to be in such an area.

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Army combat uniforms have been treated with permethrin for well over two decades now with great success, imho.
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thanks for bringing this to our attention a while back. permethrin works very well.

hint: treat the cushions of outdoor furniture with it so that you can be out at twilight without being entirely covered. I am also having great results treating curtains and drapes with it as mosquitoes can get past window screening. also helpful to coat the door jamb. treated a top sheet of a bed and never again had the fun of a nighttime visitor buzzing in the ear. it seems that if some treated surface is near enough to you, there is a halo effect.

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Yep, they know the surfaces are poisonous (no idea how, unless they can smell it) which is quite a decent deterrent.

I have my Tilly Hat treated and except in the most-outrageously bug-infested places it's enough to keep biting anything off my head, even though the hat only covers the top, of course.

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Tickerguy wrote..
One caution: Do not allow the liquid anywhere that a cat can come in contact with it as it can kill cats.
Does this apply generally or only to the liquid form?

Specifically, is permethrin still harmful to cats if, for example, one treats socks and pants legs with it for working outside and then, when you come back inside the house, the cat rubs up against the pants legs?

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It is only harmful in liquid form; it won't hurt the cat once dried.

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Thank you, that's good to know - didn't want to harm my furry "kids".

I will definitely treat my outside working clothes with permethrin.

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A few years back I bought a pair of Railriders pants treated with Insect Shield. It was nice to mow the orchard and not have to remove insects from my lower half afterward. Reminds me that it's probably time to treat the pants again.

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I have a pair of those that I use for hiking with zip-open bottom mesh. They run almost as cool as a pair of shorts in the summer when hiking BUT keep the bugs off your lower half as they're also treated.

Damn things are fantastic. Lightweight, cool, breathable, don't stink and you don't get bit. What's not to like about that? Well, ok, one thing -- they're expensive.

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Permethrin is fantastic.

I not only treat my clothes, but I also spray it on my backpack... as it was explained to me, and not sure if this is true, but its not just about it being a "barrier" on your clothes, but the atomization of the chemical that comes off of Permethrin-treated surfaces creates somewhat of a bubble of repellent that surrounds you.

Hiked through a marshy, mosquito infested Dusy Basin in the Sierra Nevada last summer wearing Permethrin-treated clothing and equipment, and didn't get a single ****ing bite. The mosquitoes were flying around me, but all seemed to give way... it was like having a little envelope of continuous clear air around me despite the cloud of insects I was moving through.

Given some of the recent news about some of the nasties that can come via tick bites, I even do local hikes with at least my hiking pants treated. This **** can literally mean the difference between getting some exotic disease, or staying healthy.


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Those lightweight meshed pants are the ones I have too. They are really great and lightweight.

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Someone mentioned mosquitos... does this really repel mosquitos as well?

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Yep. Any biting insect. It even stops the biting flies that ignore DEET entirely.

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Stupid question here... What about bee's. It would be nice to have something that helped protect from brush hogging fields where an occasional nest is disturbed.
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While it may repel bees I don't think if they're pissed at you for ****ing with their hive it'll be all THAT effective.

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Joe Rogan and other backwoods hunters (Alaska) swear by the thermacell's. It clips on your clothes or back and slowly disperses the permethrin into the area. Creates a 15x15 force field around you. Requires butane cartridges to run. He claims that the Alaskan mosquitoes are so aggressive they will cover you even in your have it on your clothes. <shrug>. Deet has always worked for me.


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Watch some "Life Below Zero" and the dude living in Chandalar, Alaska. Holy **** I have never seen such horrible swarms.

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From my experience, Permethrin is MUCH better than Deet.

I've used Deet, and still gotten bit in the small areas of my exposed skin that I neglected to cover, or where my perspiration rinsed away the Deet (backs of the ear, between fingers, etc). Another consideration is that mosquitos will bite THROUGH your clothing if it is sheer enough. I was once wearing a light polyester base layer, deeted my arms and skin, and still got bit THROUGH my base layer on my upper arms.

When I used Permethrin on my clothes, I didn't need any Deet on my skin. The mosquitos gave me a pretty wide berth and had no interest in landing on me. It's really good stuff. And, after treating your clothes, it will last on them through a backwoods river laundering or two and still be effective.

I was introduced to it as a result of some mosquito experiences, but given the more recent news about tick-borne illnesses, I keep ALL my trekking gear treated.

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Yep.

Around here you can literally BATHE in DEET, go outside in the evening and there are biting flies that utterly IGNORE the stuff. They'll bite the living **** out of you like you were wearing no repellent AT ALL.

They DO obey the permethrin however. Wear clothing treated in it.... no bites.

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Ace, the thing you need for your use case is ... a cab. ;)
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I can vouch for the Thermacell. Works like a charm to keep the mosquitoes out of a hunting blind....even in the Florida swamps

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