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2018-04-14 10:00 by Karl Denninger
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INSANITY: Boston Marathon
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At least five openly transgender women are set to run in next week’s Boston Marathon, raising questions on whether they have an unfair physical advantage or if they are keeping other women from qualifying for the storied race.

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"We take people at their word. We register people as they specify themselves to be," Tom Grilk, chief of the Boston Athletic Association, told the Associated Press. "Members of the LGBT community have had a lot to deal with over the years, and we'd rather not add to that burden."

**** you with a rusty chainsaw Tom Grilk.

It is a fact that men have more muscle mass for an equivalent amount of training, and more speed, than women.  In addition men have a higher lactate threshold which means they can run at a faster pace for long distances than women, all other things being equal.  While some of the advantage will dissipate if you cut off a man's nuts not all of it will.

There is nothing you can do about that.

The best time ever recorded by a woman in the Boston Marathon was 2:19:59 in 2014.  Men have posted times almost 17 minutes faster, or more than 30 seconds per mile of improvement in running pace.

This isn't because men want it more or do more training -- it's physiology.

I'm nowhere near that good but I see it every single weekend when I race.  Yes, there are women who beat me consistently but there are damn few of them, especially in my age bracket (50+).  There are a lot of men who beat me regularly.

In any sport where physical strength and stamina are at-issue not restricting competitors to their sex as determined at birth is an outrage.  No factual woman who wants to compete as a man will be competitive and every factual man who wants to compete as a women will trounce any and all women who have substantially the same training and dedication along with the same (on a percentile basis) base physical ability.

This is physical fact and allowing this outrage means that women will never win again.  In the case of Boston I have no idea how competitive this man's time is but allowing him to run in the women's division has, with certainty, bumped at least one woman who would have otherwise qualified, denying her the ability to run the race at all.

The Boston Athletic Association ought to be destroyed for doing this.

In two words: **** you.

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But for trans women who do lower their testosterone levels, medical experts told the Associated Press there's no evidence of an athletic advantage.

"That's a misconception and a myth," said Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of education and training programs at the Fenway Institute, a health and advocacy center for the Boston LGBT community. "There's no physiologic advantage to being assigned male at birth."


I've seen enough quotes from scientists who belong to the globull warming religion to distrust any "authority" that spouts off on any topic, especially if they are employed by an advocacy center for the topic in question. Where are the studies and the evidence proving that assertion?

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Anyone that is OK with this transgender bull****....smiley

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@Lobo there isn't any.

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It says they take your word for it. Why bother with transgender?

A bunch of dudes should just enter and check the box marked "F". When no one with a vagina gets in the top 100 "women runners" maybe they'll revisit the idea.
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Who has the mental illness: the transgenders that think they are something they are not, or the "responsible adults" that go along with this?

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"That's a misconception and a myth," said Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of education and training programs at the Fenway Institute, a health and advocacy center for the Boston LGBT community. "There's no physiologic advantage to being assigned male at birth."


There is stupid and then there is this. What hits me is that they actually believe we will swallow this.

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I once registered myself as a third grader when I was in the fourth grade for the fifty yard dash.

I still feel guilty about it. Have these people no shame?
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I just ran a 5k this morning.

Came in 5th overall, first in age group. A bunch of fast old ****s showed up, so I didn't get either Master or Grandmaster. A guy I know quite well got first overall; he's in my age bracket but MUCH faster than me -- I can't catch him unless I shoot him at the start line.

On an EXCEPTIONAL day I can beat the guys who got both Masters and GrandMaster. Today was not an exceptional day.

Now here's the salient point -- the first FEMALE on the board was 8th overall, and that's not because no women showed up -- a bunch of them did. One, who is an exceptional distance runner in my age bracket and the other half of the guy who got 1st, was more than 20 seconds/mile behind me -- and she's no slouch at this game by ANY means. In fact she took a crack at qualifying for Boston (didn't quite get there -- the race she chose to attempt to qual had crap conditions on race day and killed a lot of people's dreams, but she was in the game for it and will likely try again next year.)

http://www.itsyourrace.com/results.aspx?....

Last year I PR'd the 10k at this same race. Today the course ran materially tougher -- it was both much more-humid and *very* windy with ~25mph of wind in your face on the way out. With last year's time (which there's no ****ing way I could have done in these conditions) I'd have been 5th overall in the 10k but I wasn't on my game to that degree. The guy who was 4th is a guy that I often wind up racing against; he's in the next age bracket up now but is no slouch and he just flat-out killed it. He was ahead of me at the 5k turn -- not by much -- but he was, and he didn't slow down through the rest of it. The first woman on the 10k board was 7th overall and 30 years of age -- MUCH younger than either of us.

This is not an anomaly. I race damn near every weekend during the season here. It's not for a lack of trying or training either; I know a number of the gals that run with our "fun" group all the time and also run these races. Some are hard-core "cross-fit" folks that are up at 4:00 AM every single day to get their gym time in before work and such.

Anyone who's ever been a runner and believes men don't have a physiological advantage is just flat-out full of ****. If you were born with nuts you have utterly no business registering or running as a "woman" in any such event -- period -- and those who argue otherwise deserve to be thrown in a pen with hungry feral hogs after having their genitals slathered in peanut butter.

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The most outrageous example of transgender athletes is Fallon Fox. Born a man, but now fights against women in MMA and has three KO victories. The stupidity (and fear of SJW backlash) in this country is at such a high that commissions actually allow this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

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I coach HS volleyball for girls. I would win every state championship from now until the day I retire, if I had 12 HS boys that "identified" with being females. This would happen until the other coaches did the same.

End result? No girls playing volleyball.

Is that what we want?

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Exactly.

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Have you seen the transgender dude at the Commonwealth games?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/commonwealt....

Going for gold, attempted a lift that blew out his elbow.
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Actually trans here...

Men are basically juicing on an extremely potent steroid their whole lives.

It yields some permanent improvements that you can't remove without extreme starvation.

Let them learn the hard way.
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Idiom has a good point that needs to be fleshed out.

Long term testerone use increases heart size and lung capacity. That is permanent and just because your testerone levels drop to those of a woman doesnt reverse that benefit.

I have a 5 k in May. Think I will run as a woman, after all I identify as a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

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What this tells girls/women.

Get ****ed, you don't mean ****. Your hopes, dreams and aspirations don't mean ****-all when it comes to being PC. You've been sacrificed on the alter of acceptance, inclusiveness, etc.

 


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Exactly.

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If "trans" people want to participate then there needs to be a seperate category and ALL of them need to be in a singular category.

Why?
1. Castrated (this is an assumption) men pretending to be women still have an advantage in residual muscle mass and heart size. Their hormone levels fall of gradually but the initial advantage is always there.

2. Women pretending to be men should be in this category. If real women were taking steroids during an athletic event they would be barred from competition and there awards rescinded. However these "women to pretend men" are on steroid. They put on muscle mass. Their hearts enlarge. They may not be actual men but they are no longer drug free women either. They will continue to increase bone density and muscle mass as long as they excercise and take the steroids.

In the end both "trans" types have the advantages of males.

If women truly cared or of the men truly cared about these things and their effects on women enough they would boycott these events instead of supporting such things.. If they can't get funds or tourists dollars things would change quickly.

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There should not be a trans category. There should be an 'open, anything goes' category. Any sex. Any gender. Any drugs. You name it. Go for it.
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SNL did a skit years ago about a "drugs required" olympics. The dead lifter pulled both his arms off.

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@Thystra

Fine ....we can can go for full cybernetic enhancements too. After a point it all simply goes to absurdity. The threshold has already been exceeded. Now its anything goes.

@asi...
Lol... I suppose he truly would be a "dead" lifter.

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Here it is. 1988.


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"End result? No girls playing volleyball."

If this trend run continuously there will be NO women's sports at all, just eunuchs and wanna-be-eunuchs decked out like women.

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