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2018-03-31 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Trump's Gun Control (And Other Broken Promises): PA
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Understand something very important: Pennsylvania voted for a Democrat in a district that was absolutely safe as a Republican seat by political standards.

Why?

Because Republicans either didn't show up at all or didn't vote Republican.  Probably more of the former, but do understand something -- a Republican who votes Democrat results in a net two vote swing while one who stays home only results in a one vote swing.

Now contemplate this: Dicks Sporting Goods just reported earnings and their CEO noted on the conference call that the firm's decision to stop selling guns to people under 21 along with normal capacity magazines and, in a few stores, certain types of rifles was expected to result in lower sales -- that is, people staying away.

Now remember what has commonly been said about these sorts of "gun control" changes: Hunters favor them, as do most other Americans.  Uh, sure -- you see, Dicks has never been a "tactical" sort of store -- they sell hunting gear in the general panoply of firearms and yet the analyst view is that 10 percent of hunters will eschew Dicks as a result of said changes.

That's a big swing and may I remind you that not all hunters are Republicans?

The common rubric from the NRA and others is that one must vote "Red" lest the gun-grabbers get in power and do their thing.  Uh, no -- the last 20+ years says exactly the opposite.  Even a Democrat majority in all three locations of the Federal Government was unable to do anything destructive to gun rights during Obama's first two years.

Yet a Republican majority in all three houses plus in Florida has been extremely destructive in a matter of weeks and it was a Republican governor that signed that bill in Florida along with a Republican House and Senate that passed it.

It gets worse.  The Trump ATF is doing the exact opposite of honoring the Second Amendment.  In fact they and Trump literally just ripped up the entire Constitution including the 5th Amendment. Right here, right now.

Contemplate the entire "bump stock" thing folks.  These were sold as legal accessories for years.  Millions of dollars changed hands for them, people were employed and now they're in the hands of individuals.  A formal legal ruling was issued by the BATFE that these were legal accessories; the manufacturers and buyers didn't assume, they asked for and obtained a written declaration that these devices not only complied with the law they didn't require any sort of labeling, serialization or other form of control (such as a background check) as legally they were nothing more than piece of plastic.

The government is, of course, entitled to be wrong and repair that error which is what they're claiming they're doing now.  What it's not entitled to do, however, is turn you into a felon if you don't destroy or turn over a thing you were explicitly told, in writing, was legal and nothing more-nefarious or subject to regulation than a plastic box.  At absolute minimum the government is required (under the 5th Amendment) to pay you for the current fair market value of that device plus all your costs (e.g. sales tax) associated with same and to pay the manufacturers the imputed value of their facility, inventory and forward foregone earnings (and employee salaries) that would have been generated but for their error.  They could also ban the things on a forward basis (limiting any 5th Amendment claim of "taking" to the manufacturers) and leave alone anyone who already owns one.

Instead they claim to be able to retroactively declare anyone who has one of these a felon and then shoot them if they refuse to either turn them over or report to prison for 10 years after having given written confirmation that the device in question is lawful to own, possess, use and sell without any permit whatsoever.

This is a flatly and outrageously unconstitutional act; it is in fact a declaration of war by our government against the people of the United States as it stands as a claim that the US Government will not honor the bounds of the Constitution -- now or ever in the future.  This "decision" will not and does not limit itself to "bump stocks" which I personally find worthless and thus don't own any of.

If left to stand as proposed utterly no property that has been formally confirmed in writing as legal, say much less any lesser-protected form of property that someone believes is legal without a formal, written declaration, is safe from forcible confiscation under threat of death anywhere, ever, in the United States ever again.

This in fact has nothing to do with guns specifically; rather it is a clear statement that the United States Federal Government, our alleged President and the "Just-US" department can and will declare anything it likes on a retroactive basis to likes to be against the law and force you to surrender it without compensation, go to prison or die.

How far removed is this statement from what happened at Concord?

It in fact is worse than what happened at Concord in that the British Crown had never issued a written declaration that the powder and ball stored there were perfectly legal.

The ATF did, in fact, issue written and formal assurance that these devices not only weren't subject to the NFA they weren't subject to any law whatsoever as they were legally nothing more than common bits of plastic.

There goes the NRA (and other gun owner advocacy group) argument that one must vote Republican if you honor the 2nd Amendment.  The facts are that neither political party gives a flying **** about the 2nd Amendment or the Constitution at large and a Republican majority is much more dangerous since when in the majority they have no political reason to oppose anything on the basis of partisanship!

If you're pro-Second Amendment then the answer is clear: **** you Republicans!

Look folks, there are 50,000 gun laws and regulations, more or less, on the books now.  Miller (310 US 174), the seminal case on short-barreled weapons that made "NFA" firearms able to be listed and maintained was decided on a factual lie presented to the Supreme Court, unchallenged because Miller was indigent.  Specifically, the claim was made by the government that a short-barrel shotgun was not a "militia weapon" because it had no legitimate infantry wartime use.  That was a knowing lie as in fact the military had previously ordered and used a whole bunch of short-barreled shotguns for use in trench warfare and the US Government's counsel lied in the presentation of their case.

Never mind that the current debate, about whether an "AR pattern rifle" (or similar) is something ordinary people can own goes directly to that question since a rifle of similar (but not identical, in that military weapons are select-fire) construction is in fact the service rifle of the United States military!  By the very argument made by the government in Miller the AWB by Clinton was blatantly unconstitutional and so are state-level similar bans.

The entirety of these alleged "laws" are unconstitutional as each rests on the previous; the NFA is a blatantly and outrageously unconstitutional act, supported by a lie put before the Supreme Court with an indigent defendant unable to defend himself before same, and then used by the government as the animating feature of over 50,000 unconstitutional laws and regulations since.

These are facts folks, and perhaps -- just perhaps -- people are waking up.  Certainly it appears that both when it comes to DICKS and the people of that district in PA they've woken up and said **** you -- with a chainsaw.

To lose a seat that was considered incontestable as it had a 20 point margin of victory previously is virtually unheard of unless the incumbent just got caught in bed with a dead girl -- or a live boy!  If you think there are only a "few" people who you wish to label "crazy" that care about such things the evidence is that you're dead wrong.  I remind you that Dicks says they think 10 percent of their hunting traffic may have disappeared almost overnight.

That's a huge number; over a million and a half people nationally, and that's with only six percent of Americans hunting.  If half that percentage of those who don't hunt feel the same way then we're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 million Americans total who have had enough of this crap.

May I remind you that this is some six times the margin on the Presidential popular vote in 2016?

It's no wonder the PA contest turned out the way it did and the warning damn well ought to be clear: Restore the damned Second Amendment to its original words, and do it now Republicans, or else.

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Dead ****ing right. I am not a hunter. I have 2 teenage athletes in my house and a Dick's right across the parking lot from my office. I will never purchase from there ever again under any circumstances.
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the seminal case on short-barreled weapons that made "NFA" firearms able to be listed and maintained was decided on a factual lie presented to the Supreme Court, unchallenged because Miller was indigent. Specifically, the claim was made by the government that a short-barrel shotgun was not a "militia weapon" because it had no legitimate infantry wartime use. That was a knowing lie as in fact the military had previously ordered and used a whole bunch of short-barreled shotguns for use in trench warfare and the US Government's counsel lied in the presentation of their case.

Exactly and the Germans in WWI took this to the Hague claiming it violated standards of warfare- screw those Krauts. It was and still is a damned effective weapon at close quarters. Now we actually have "Combat Shotguns" that are a hell of a lot more effective than those simple shotguns of that era. Did they go back and alter the law - of course not. It was designed to lessen the effectiveness of citizens to fight a hostile government.

I highly advise any citizen to get an effective military grade arm and learn to use it. Its use might save your life and the lives of your loved ones.

The NRA rankings are skewed for sure but there are democrats in certain districts that get an A rating from the NRA in PA. Personally I do not pay attention to any NRA hype. They are so damned wishy washy as they themselves violate the 2nd amendment by also trying to institute "common sense" controls. You don't give the enemy one freaking inch! What part of shall not be infringed do they fail to understand? They should be fighting all infringements not proposing limited ones that set precedents.

That being said I can tell you from personal experience that too many hunters in PA don't give a damn about the 2nd amendment's real intent. Too often have I heard many say that no one should be able to own a military style firearm and many are veterans! Too many hunters in PA IMO from my experience near the center of the state CANNOT be trusted to stand for the true intent of the 2nd amendment. If they can be bribed by allowing their guns to remain while stealing those of others they will simply look the other way and say you shouldn't have been able to own that.

Dick's is also the only national chain for firearms in some areas. I'll use mom/pop shops and mail order before I buy from Dick's again.

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Vote Republican. We won't screw you as bad as the Democrats do.

The new campaign slogan.

**** you Returdlicans. You either have a Constitution of you don't.

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20 members in our pa. hunting club, i am guessing half vote predominantly republican and half democrat. all are pro gun and not just for hunting. i believe all would crossover for a pro gun candidate and none will shop at dicks or field and stream their affiliate.
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I always get the Republican surveys in the mail. They just want money. I always send it back with written comments on it. Last time I wrote REPUBLICANS SPEND LIKE DRUNKEN DEMOCRATS!

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Yep.

I do not thirst for war.

But I am NOT walking into a boxcar and if that's what you lead me to believe you intend.....

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Read that book over 30 years ago....it put me in a funk for 6 months....a funk I will not soon forget.

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I told repubes to******off ever since Arlen Spectre. TOOMEY is just as bad. They got an earful from me around 1998. I had the guy stuttering on the phone while I pointed out how they lie. Then he tells me they can't exert control over members. "Then why are you asking me for money while pretending you can?"
Dead silence......

This last election is the first time I have chosen to not cast a vote. I do not support either side since they are all the same.

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Going to change my voter registration Monday.


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Now we have that **** Hogg trying to get advertisers to pull ads from Laura Ingraham's show for "mocking him and his classmates" during their "trauma".

Too hell with Goebbel's Jr but I am more shocked at Ingraham and other conservatives still using such advertisers as Nestle. Looks like term media ***** is certainly literal. She is giving the enemy a platform by allowing them to advertise. They then use that money to fight us..

She then issued an apology? ...no backbone for these Repubes.

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I think Hogg owes all of US an apology for his crude language, lies, and insulting our intelligence with his flippant attitude. He is a media made shooting star. His come uppance and ego will be his undoing. He will sexually harass some woman or some other politically incorrect act and he will disappear in the progressive's hole filled with their has bins.

Laura Ingraham disappointed me with her apology. Hogg isn't some nave teenager. He is an adult who is trying to use a false narrative to make himself famous and rich. If I see his face pop up on a screen or voice on a radio it gets switched to another station or turned off. If you have facts, history, and the Constitution behind you, then you don't need to apologize.

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This is one of the key things I'm so disgusted with Trump about. There is no legitimate reason to do this AT ALL. He himself castigated Odumbo for the outrageously illegal/unconstitutional things he did and then he turns around and does something similar. The other was signing that Abomnibus bill that (a) he hadn't read and (b) had everything the Dimocrats wanted and virtually NOTHING the conservative base that elected him wanted.

If this administration doesn't get its act together really fast, the mid-terms will suck for the Redumblicans and 2020 will suck even worse.
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"She then issued an apology? ...no backbone for these Repubes."

Yes. Surely by now, they should have figured out that you never apologize to an SJW?

They're like sharks. When you apologize, they smell blood in the water and go into a feeding frenzy.
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We have a lot of upcoming troubles in the shooting sports. A club I long belonged to, was divided between shotgun shooters, and rifle and pistol shooters. The latter were forced to subsidize the former, although most of those shotguns carried princely price tags. The shotgunners generally supported the banning of "assault rifles" and considered their shotguns to be just the same as golf clubs. In essence they are country clubbers. Most were Republicans.

I was a range officer on the rifle and pistol ranges for years, and noticed that about a decade ago, most of the bolt action, and lever action rifles on the line had been crowded out by AR-15s and AKs. Most of which were expensively decked out. Obviously people were getting prepped for the upcoming festivities.
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Around here there are very few bolt-action rifles on the firing line. What I see are all manner of semi-automatics and nearly ALL would qualify for "evil black rifle" treatment under SOMEONE's definition. The only exception is the fair number of 10-22 and similar .22LR rifles which are extremely popular as well, especially with younger shooters and women -- never mind being cheap to "feed".

There is no clay station at the place I usually go, but there IS one at another local shooting range. That one has a setup for rifle I don't care for personally; it's not unsafe, but it's extraordinarily annoying (they apparently had a problem with idiots and rather than properly supervise and use range officers they instead put in what amount to large, concrete draining pipes through which one aims -- to avoid the potential of overshooting the backstop.) The problem that setup generates is that the SOUND reflects back at you and it's ****ing LOUD, almost as bad as an indoor rifle range. No thanks.

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And they need these for what?
Inline

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You.

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Exactly.

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The cops in my city also have these ugly black carbines. They drive through the neighborhoods we have to live in, and I guess they feel threatened by all the urban underclass that the University Progressives welcomed here. At last count we had 58 street gangs operating in town. The cops need these "assault rifles", but the idiots in Crook County and Springfield, think that the public, other than the Latino street gangs, should not have them.

When I was a city administrator, my police chief was mad at me because I would not let him buy AR carbines. We were lucky to afford to buy him squad cars. There was virtually no violent crime in that place for many years. So, the chief actively worked to get me fired, and was able to finally accomplish that. If I hadn't lost a good friend to a heart attack that day, it would have been one of the happiest days of my life. I was set free, and the city council keeps making mistake after mistake. But, I really don't care!
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So many things wrong here. The NRA wrote an article about one of the candidates for sheriff in Buncombe County, NC...

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After expressing a desire to ban commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, Fisher told the gathered gun control advocates, Im gonna tell you now dont buy into the scare tactics. Dont believe the scare because youve heard people say youll have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands. Ok. Following the candidates Ok, the anti-gun zealots erupted into applause. Several seconds later, perhaps realizing the gravity of what he just admitted, Fisher added, Whenever you pass away, we'll come get it.

Offering an innovative legal theory to show that he didnt really mean what he said, Fisher also wrote on his Facebook page,

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Now, the government cannot take a firearm that was legally purchased. Based on the law today, if somebody purchased a firearm legally if we were able to pass a law tomorrow banning that firearm, or banning the high-capacity magazine or banning the mechanisms, there is case law that states we cannot enforce what happened yesterday with a law passed today. Thats called an ex-post facto law.


Here, Fisher displays a misunderstanding of what an ex-post facto law even is. A law prohibiting possession of an item is not invalid as an ex-post facto law against those who continue to possess the item after the law is enacted. The case law Fisher refers to is anyones guess.


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180330....

The NRA doesn't address the "taking" of the firearm or what the gooberment might have to do to fulfill the requirements of the 5th Amendment. I will also note that [/b]the rights listed in the Bill of Rights exist regardless of the party in power or the existence of any government.[/b]

Thank-you, Mr. Fisher, for letting us all know where you stand. With all due respect, go to hell.

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What do you do with someone who DECLARES an intent to murder you and has the means to carry out the threat?

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What do you do with someone who DECLARES an intent to murder you and has the means to carry out the threat?


First off, make damn sure he doesn't become sheriff.
Second, move the hell away from here.
I'm working on both of those.

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Henry Bowman had other ideas.

I'm just sayin'...

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