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2018-03-11 13:49 by Karl Denninger
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Sessions Needs To Read The Constitution
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Jeff Sessions recently stated on the matter of California ignoring federal law on illegal aliens and a mayor actually warning criminal aliens they were about to be deported (thus allowing them to flee) that "there is no secession."

Uh, wrong Jeff.

Either 1776 (The Declaration of Independence) was illegal or any state can leave.

If the former then the entire US Federal Government is illegitimate and you have no right to state anything.  If the latter then you're wrong.

Nowhere in the Constitution, incidentally, does such a bar exist.  Second, even if it did it would be null and void because once you declare yourself having seceded you no longer are bound by said Constitution anyway!  The Founders were not stupid; may I remind you they had just finished seceding -- and winning when the Crown decided it didn't like it?

Secession is a function of political will -- and whether the US Government would actually try to order troops to go arrest (and, presumably shoot) those who so-declared.  In the meantime due to the interconnections with the states in commerce, especially California with regard to its ports, the rest of the nation would have a monstrous economic problem on its hands.

I say they should do it.  I'd love to see Sessions try to do something about secession too, never mind the obvious if the military or guard gets called up with orders to "put it down."

Trump isn't Lincoln, jackass, and furthermore this isn't the US in 1860 either.  I will remind Sessions and the rest of the government that shooting people and committing acts that today would land you in the Hague ("Sherman's March" among others) is only proof that you're a damned thug and this time you probably won't get away with it.  In fact it speaks directly to the utter lawlessness and illegitimacy of said feral government.

Quit talking out your ass, Sessions.  Not only are your pronouncements laughable while the Federal Government might well be able to put down such an attempt by force were it to be made by California or some other important state with regard to commerce and/or energy (e.g. Texas) the result would be an instantaneous economic and banking detonation that nobody could control or stop. 

Given the stupidity out of our federal and state governments these days I think both deserve it and frankly, I believe there are grounds for two separate sets of secession movements -- one for Californicated and similar, and a second state or group of states if there are any that actually believe the Constitution means something -- specifically, the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments, instantly striking, among other things, all 50,000 unconstitutional "gun laws", ending civil forfeiture in all cases and holding so-called "public servants" to criminal account for constitutional violations.  I'd move somewhere within the second set immediately.

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Peoples Republic by Kurt Schlicter describes your last paragraph scenario to a T.
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the result would be an instantaneous economic and banking detonation that nobody could control or stop.

Just about any state "leaving" at this time would detonate the country, especially any of the top 25 based on population/wealth (or is that share of debt?). Personally, I think we'll stay together and detonate together.


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We shall see. I might well be willing to move to a seceding state and defend said secession, provided it was on proper grounds. Californicated is clearly not on the list of those with what I consider proper grounds.

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Everything north of Sacramento or east of I-5 (except parts of LA) would immediately secede from California and try to rejoin the USA.

Only question is if they would attempt to join Nevada or be their own state (Oregon was a choice 20 years ago, but it isn't any more)
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south Oregon would leap at a chance to leave portland and join the leaving parts of north california.

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Regardless of what Jeffry thinks should happen and given the above comments about North CA, if CA decides to secede, what will Mexico do? What will other countries around the world decide to do?

Personally I am all for States Rights and every state should have not only the right to secede, but the expectation to.
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IF a State can't secede THEN it is merely a colony!

Jeff Sessions has proven his ignorance and should secede or be fired for stupidity.

The concept of the inferior created federal government suing a Superior Creator Sovereign State (California) is complete and total lunacy!

Our other 49 States should be standing up to California (with ultimations) for violating their contract (Our Constitution).

The problem is between Our States!

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As uniform Rule of Naturalization is an Enumerated Power authorized by Our States to Our federal government then they should just enforce the law and not talk about it.

Arrest, jail and prosecute criminals with due process (including mayors).

Our Constitution solves ALL of our problems and must be Enforced, Respected and Restored.

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I've long thought that the experiment that is the United States wouldn't survive long term, so succession seems predestined in my opinion. I travel around this country enough to know that there are massive divides between different parts of this nation that are not sustainable. I still think the breakup won't be a deliberate act on the behalf of states but instead a .gov event like the EBT cards stopping. I'm in SoCal tonight and I travel here enough to know these people are all bluster and never will leave the USofA. Ditto Texas.
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south Oregon would leap at a chance to leave portland and join the leaving parts of north california.

I lived just outside of Coos Bay for 3 years. Coos County was majority Trump in the 2016 election. Outside of the immediate coast it's primarily a conservative farming community. Even most of the liberals there consider themselves part of the state of Jefferson. However, this doesn't do much good when the state government in Salem taxes and regulates the **** out of you.

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Not that this is germane to the point of secession, which should require merely political acts by the state in question and no revolution whatsoever, but nevertheless it's worth observing that some of our states do enshrine the right of revolution itself. For example, here's an excerpt from the state constitution of New Hampshire:

Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

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It's chilling just how Mtdm's cited paragraph is pretty much SPOT ON as to our current situation

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