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Incept: 2018-01-25

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Of course it's my opinion based on what I've experienced in Australia.
You turn 18, you can get a drivers licence and can legally drink.

What happens is the young drink to excess because that's what you do here. You brag about how you drank a slab on Saturday night to impress your mates. Not many stop at 2 or 3 drinks or drink responsibly.

I was drinking at 15 because I had family members that were basically alcoholics and thought it was ok.

Young minds easily get caught in the addicts trap. I wasn't addicted but always drank when around mates and family and it was usually to excess.
I rarely drink now, and the keto diet hates beer so I feel like crap for a couple of days after drinking beer.

If your country is mature enough to deal with alcohol at younger age than 21 than that's great but based on my experience 21 is still too young.
We have lock out laws, one punch laws, all sorts of laws to deal with the drunken young idiots that just get blind every weekend and get into fights.
A lot of great pubs that used to have great live music are now empty and the music has stopped.
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Incept: 2012-04-19

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re: alcohol, reminds me of traveling Europe years ago when my buddies and I were taking shots of some local liquor. Soon after some kids, young teens 14-15, started copying our orders drink-for-drink. Bartender pointed it out and said they were probably copying us because we were Americans. We asked why she was serving them and her response was "I'll serve anyone that can stand at the bar and order a drink." Recall she said the legal age was 15 or 16 but it really isn't enforced and that it was the parents job to regulate their kids, not hers. While Europe has their problems some **** they surely have figured out much better than America.

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Where do I go so sign the petition? I love it.

Half of these brain deads march just to be seen. Activist is the new cool. Too bad they are too STUPID to see the damage they do.

If I was a teacher in a Civics or American History class I'd fail every one of these douchebags.

Just to be fair I think we should also make 84th trimester abortions legal. After all why should parents be punished for the rest of their lives by such failed offspring. /sarc off

"Mass intelligence does not mean intelligent masses."

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Well at least a Constitutional amendment wuld make it all... Constitutional. The way things are now, there is nothing in the federal Constitution that says you have to be a certain age to have all these rights. All age limits, to date, are in ordinary law, which constitutions are supposed to, pardon the pun, Trump.

So a kid in Social Studies class reads the Second Amendment in his text book and is like, Hey! This means I have the right to carry a piece. And the cops and teachers show themselves to be the douches that they are when they put ordinary law over the Constitution. (If ordinary law can trump the Constitution, then what's the point of having a Constitution!?) (Ya know, I haven't been in a school in a while. I wonder if the left hand and right hand have finally gotten track of what each other is doing and stopped putting the Constitution in 8th grade Social Studies textbooks?)

It gets even better - Michigan's constitution Article 1 Section 6 says "Every person has the right to bear arms for the defense of himself and the State", and there are some Pro-Life people who want to give _fetuses_ the legal status of "persons".
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The 1980-81 school year was an eye-opener for me in my little part of poor rural West Central Alabama. I was band director for grade 5-12 students, in my third year, and of course concerned about that fourth year contract which would have given me "tenure" (can't get fired for anything other than a felony or moral turpitude or the like). After Spring Break that year the Principal informed me that I didn't have enough students to justify my continued employment, but he also kindly offered me a two-year leave of absence to gain certifications in math and science. I opted to spend the time to get an M. Sc. in computer science instead.

Now, that third year of my teaching career I was also detailed to teach two classes to 8th grade: (1) Business Law and (2) Civics. The assignment came the day before school started, with the requirement to have my first 6 weeks lesson plans on the Principal's desk before 0800 the next day; I said, "Sure, I can do that," and I did it.

Now Law was not a huge problem, because it's mostly just common sense and paying attention to one's responsibilities. So I got through that first semester pretty easily. However, the whole idea of teaching Civics bothered me enough that before October I was already doing a whole lot of reading (and re-reading) and things like that. There was no library in that town, and the library in the county seat was pretty much nothing, but the University of Alabama's Gorgas Library was only a 45 minute drive away, and anyway I was in graduate school there, so that gave me some resources.

It didn't take long to realize that, if I was going to do anything for my students in second semester, anything at all that mattered then or in future, I'd have to get my "game face" on and come in to that assignment like a 100-ton wrecking ball on a wood frame building. I came to realize that the student textbook and the teacher's "resource guide" were nothing like useful, so thought about other ways to approach the thing. What I came up with shocked me first, and then the school administration, and certainly that bunch of 8th grade students.

Here was my syllabus:
  1. Read, understand, explain, and be able to express the reasons for and the intent of the Declaration of Independence.
  2. Read, understand, explain, and be able to inter-connect the original articles and the Bill of Rights with each other, with an intent toward upholding and expressing the integral whole.

I will say it was a most interesting second semester. The whole idea that a legally constituted government, with the world's strongest Army and Navy (such as Great Britain was in 1776), could be opposed by "rebels" and defeated by said rebels seven years later against much entrenched opposition to the rebellion was, to say the least, difficult for these children to grasp. After that, the idea that a "new" legally constituted government (the Articles of Confederation) could come to be understood as fundamentally defective within a short term of years seemed outrageous. And then, the idea that a Constitutional Convention, apparently intended to straighten out and repair the defects in the Articles, could eventually propose an entirely new fundamental "Law of the Land", was just ridiculous. I hope I got the ideas that "stuff happens" and "consequences are rarely intended" over to a few of those kids.

You might get the idea that I have a problem with that Principal. Please, do not. He did more to teach me very important things than just about anyone had ever done at the time.

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Incept: 2010-02-12

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I would agree with most everything posted - with the following adjustment, modification....

"Anyone under age 21 can become an 'emancipated minor' and fully assume the responsibilities accorded to anyone who reaches the age of 21 if they are accepted for service into the military."

I would note that when my son entered the United States Naval Academy at the age of 17 years and 5 months of age - when I signed the paperwork consenting to his going to USNA, he became an 'emancipated minor' and became, for all practical purposes, a responsible adult.
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Incept: 2012-11-27

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RE: Ckaminski
Children are useful idiots. I'll admit I had discernment issues at 19/20.

Hell, I still do. But I'm far less likely to accept things at face value.

It's hard to have good judgement when you've just spent the better part of your life getting your head filled with useless and downright incorrect crap - fed into you by your "teachers".

I'm in my 50's now - but I distinctly remember going thru my 20's and into my 30's sort of pissed off because a good amount of the stuff I was "taught" turned out to be complete and utter horse manure.

What's the point of 12 years of education when you have to spend the first part of official adulthood undoing everything you were taught?
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