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Rollformer
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https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/1....

Apparently Intel CEO is holding the minimum number of shares allowed.
Flaps10
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Intel just needs to sell out to Apple - quickly.

Their customer base doesn't mind being shafted.
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Seems Intel has a tool you can download available to check for Vulnerability. "some" older CPUs may not be affected. Looks like the newer the CPU the more likely you are vulnerable. Flight sim sites are all over this as performance with the CPU is paramount to running them well, any hit to CPU speeds is a big deal to the serious gamer/simmer.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/downloa....

Im getting ready to build a new desktop and the CPU I bought IS affected. Core I7 7700K. The one I am using is NOT according to the diagnostic tool.. Core I5 2500K.

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I am writing this on a computer that my late cousin had built for her at the DIT company in Omaha, in 2009. It has a top quality motherboard with an AMD Athlon II processor. I maxed out the RAM to 16 gigabytes, and added another hard drive. It is still plenty fast for me.

She also left me a 1999 vintage IBM Thinkpad, and I got that to work, and use it for word processing and other such duties.

This major screw up should be enough to cause Intel serious damage, but ingrained habits are going to be hard to break, as shown by all the Apple aficionados.
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Seems Intel has a tool you can download available to check for Vulnerability. "some" older CPUs may not be affected. Looks like the newer the CPU the more likely you are vulnerable. Flight sim sites are all over this as performance with the CPU is paramount to running them well, any hit to CPU speeds is a big deal to the serious gamer/simmer.

No, that's the Intel "management engine" problem -- this is different and WAY worse.

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Pilot
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Sorry guys..just did some more reading and Karl already has affirmed it. Link I posted is for IME issue NOT a test of the CPU kernel issue. Dammit. I have an i7 7700k sitting right next to me for new sys build and Im PISSED!.

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Makes me glad I've always been a cheapskate.

AMD has been in almost every box of mine.

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How does this affect users of a single operating system, do I still have critical levels of exposure to anyone outside my local network?
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How does this affect users of a single operating system, do I still have critical levels of exposure to anyone outside my local network?

Yes.

Any device that has any requirement to enforce privileges (e.g. you buy or use software you get from other than writing it with your own fingers) has a SEVERE problem as a result of this.

I expect exploits using this have been around for quite some time among the TLAs, and now that it's "out" garden-variety hackers will be exploiting it -- and likely very soon.

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Plaman
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What should I do as a consumer? I just bought a Dell server with an E3-1225 V5 Xeon. This is an affected chip correct? Do they really expect me to eat a 30% performance hit or will they be replacing the chips in some sort of a recall? Should I contact Dell?
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They expect you to take it up the ass.

There are rumors that Coffee Lake CPUs (the latest) are not impacted, but I wouldn't take that as gospel without proof.

Further, in virtually every case there is ZERO motherboard compatibility between architecture revisions; the sockets are generally different electrically and physically to prevent attempted idiocy which would fry the auxiliary chipsets. The impact of this is that while you can usually upgrade between, for example, Westmere chips a Sandy Bridge CPU will not fit in the socket and thus at LEAST the motherboard has to be changed as well.

USUALLY this also involves changing the RAM out too since the timing and/or rev tends to change with the architecture changes as well.

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It's likely the lowest level backdoor the IC has, meaning they made Intel put it there. So as a consumer they don't give a **** about you, and no one at Intel will face any recourse.

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Exactly. It's OS-independent, the cost of mitigating it is a 30-50% performance hit and it CANNOT be fixed in microcode.

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Rollformer
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Interesting that it may be fixed on the most recent processors. If it weren't, AMD stock would be doing even better today.
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Can this be patched in the hypervisor, or can any unpatched OS attack any other VM on a cloud?

If the Hypervisor patch works, 30% speed hit for all cloud providers, if it doesn't 100% loss of exiting infrastructure.
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I do not know -- as of yet -- whether you can unload an unpatched kernel under a Hypervisor and defeat a patched Hypervisor. I would assume that the answer is "no, the compromise would only extend to that specific guest"; in other words you could **** yourself by using an unpatched OS but not cross into other guests.

In any event the performance hit is monstrous.

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Rollformer
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Intel have responded: https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-re....

"Intel and other technology companies have been made aware of new security research describing software analysis methods that, when used for malicious purposes, have the potential to improperly gather sensitive data from computing devices that are operating as designed. Intel believes these exploits do not have the potential to corrupt, modify or delete data."

Color me comforted. </sarc>
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Uh huh.... smiley

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Flyanddive
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Inaccurate media reports?
Ayy Intel, there's a PoC already.

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Intel knows they're boned and is trying to wiggle out.

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Rollformer
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Do you think any AMD executives have had erections lasting longer than four hours today?
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I suspect they're lining up to take turns on Intel's executives...

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In any sane world, this kind of INTENTIONAL ****headedness would mean that intel would be liquidated to pay for the damages.

You can be damn sure that won't happen - so you won't get ANYTHING for your trouble. You're just ****ed because you bought something from somebody who wanted to screw you.

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Erbo
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Flyanddive wrote..
From what I have read, AMD performance will also be hit to patch the Intel exploit.

Not if Tom Lendacky's kernel patch is any indication. It omits setting the "CPU bug" flag if the vendor is AMD, which keeps the "PTI" feature flag from being set, which keeps the code from being patched at runtime to implement the feature.

You can still turn the feature on with a kernel command-line option ("pti=on"), even on AMD chips. That would be a good way of benchmarking the typical performance loss for a specific load.

I don't know what Microsoft's Windows patches look like, but I'd hope they do the same thing.

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There doesn't even appear to be an SEC filing on this. (To be fair, EDGAR was down earlier today, but still..) This strikes me as something that the investors might need to know about.
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