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Americans And Jeff Sessions Want 'Open Season' on Cops
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No, this is not a call to do any such thing.

It is a recognition that this is exactly what is going to happen if there are not major changes made in public policy, right ****ing now, and the only way those will happen is if the people of this nation stand up and demand them, enforcing that demand with whatever actions are both necessary and possible.

Just the other day:

A 25-year-old California man was arrested in connection to an online quarrel between two “Call of Duty” gamers that prompted a hoax call and led to a man being killed by police in Kansas.

Los Angeles police on Friday arrested Tyler Barriss, who law enforcement claimed is the “prankster” who called 911 and made up a story about a kidnapping in Wichita, ABC 7 reported.

Barriss reportedly gave police the address he believed the other gamer lived.

In the audio of the 911 call, the caller claimed his father had been shot in the head and that he was holding his mother and a sibling at gunpoint. The caller added that he poured gasoline inside the home and "might just set it on fire."

Now let's put context on this.

The police got a phone call.  They had zero evidence to back up the veracity of that call.  Whether the call had spoofed caller ID or not (which is insanely easy to do and in fact our government has refused to crack down on that crap and demand the carriers put a stop to it which is why you get spoofed and illegal sales calls all the time) is immaterial.  The facts are that the call came from well over 1,000 miles away from the allegedly-reported "address" and the cops performed exactly zero due diligence -- which they had a legal duty to engage in -- before acting on the false report.

That caller ID is trivially spoofed is a known fact; ergo, there is no probable cause in an alleged caller ID readout standing alone.

The cops in Wichita showed up at the house and shot an unarmed man who came to answer the door.  The police, of course, claim that he "moved a hand toward the area of his waistband" as justification for shooting him.

So what if he did?

Let me remind you that:

1. He was on his own property, in his own home.

2. He had no knowledge of the "Swatting" phone call and thus no reason to expect the police to show up nor any reason to believe that anyone claiming to be "police" really were.

3. He had done nothing illegal.  While it has now been reported he was unarmed so what if he was armed?  If he had been that changes nothing.  He was in his own home and had every right to be armed, including answering the door armed as it is well-established that gang bangers can and do impersonate cops.

4. There was no probable cause or justification to shoot him -- period.

The ****ing pig who fired must be charged with Murder 2 -- homicide without premeditation but through grave, outrageously reckless and intentional conduct -- and go to prison.  Now.

The only way this crap will stop is when alleged cops who play trigger-happy *******, acting as if they have been given a hunting license to shoot humans, are treated as gang-bangers and thrown in prison each and every time they pull this crap.

They have neither legal or logical justification for their actions.

Second, the ******* who called 911 has been arrested and must be charged as an accessory before the fact to said homicide and go to prison as equally responsible for the shooting, exactly as you would be if you knowingly drove a bank robber to the bank and then that person shot a teller.  That's what the law says and it must be enforced -- period.

Finally, since this crime crossed state lines in that it was initiated in California this is a federal matter including but not limited to 18 USC 241 which proscribes a life sentence or federal death penalty if someone dies as a consequence of deprivation of their rights under color of law or authority.  Therefore both the caller and the cop must face prosecution in federal court under this statute irrespective of any state prosecution.

Until all of these things happen then it is perfectly reasonable for anyone who encounters a police officer to believe that they will be shot without any probable cause, say much less any evidence that grave risk to said officer exists because nobody can predict if someone has made a false 911 call on purpose.  It's not possible to know if you are not a party to whatever dispute leads to said call in the first place that such might happen.

Therefore until and unless the thug gang-banger who shot this innocent man on purpose and without probable cause and the person who made the false call are both held fully responsible under existing federal law for this homicide it is entirely reasonable for anyone who encounters a police officer to assume that person is an immediate and lethal threat to their continued existence and thus to act exactly as one would expect under those exact circumstances.

Should someone decide to do that, survive and be arrested, and I sit on their jury, my vote, unless these two are both prosecuted right ****ing now, has been firmly establishedNOT GUILTY.

Your move Jeff Sessions.

Ed: Updated 12/31 to correct the 18 USC reference - it's 241, not 242.  242 contains a racial requirement; 241 does not.  My apologies for the typo.

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I've seen so many excuse this type of police behaviour, because "it might be dangerous" as if that justifies shooting the first thing you see move. I don't care even if the call was accurate, what type of de-escalation technique is shooting the first person out the door when you have no real details? Like you, I would like to see the law applied, but we all know the odds of that. Zero sympathy for them when things get pushed too far and a bunch of Dorners spring up. All of that is easily avoidable.
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I'm fed up with "his hand moved towards..." as the cops' justification. It seems like that is brought up every single time a cop shoots someone, like it is some ****ing magic spell that trumps everything else.

When you wake up with the red and blue lights flashing all over the place, don't answer the door: call 911 and try to figure out what is going on.

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Read it in the local paper this morning as I was offline yesterday.... couldn't believe my eyes....he if course is on "paid administrative leave". Was hoping there would be a ticker in it this morning....spot on. It's gotten way out if control....back in about 82 a friend and I got back from pheasant hunting and pulled into my grandma's....forgot my key...so I tried to find a way in...no dice. We were sitting on my tailgate when all the sudden about 5 cops come out of nowhere... nieghbors reported us....point being I'm sitting in the tailgate with a shotgun next to me....they weren't even point a gun at me....just asked wtf I was doing...checked ID and went in there merry way....today I'd be dead if that same thing happened....and not a damn thing will happen in this instance.

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If anyone still looks at a police car as being anything but a transport vehicle for executioners, they need to have their heads examined. (Their first priority after all, is to make sure that they come home safe and sound; law enforcement is eight or ten down the list. Preserving the lives of the public is about twentieth).


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And I just read the other day that police deaths in the line of duty are at an all time low....Hmmm.

It's bad enough that they are armed tax collectors but the fact that they can kill with impunity is grotesque. I honestly believe that the regular beat cops should be disarmed, much like they are in the UK. Firearms simply are not necessary for 99.9% of their job. A nightstick and pepper spray is more than enough "protection."
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There's no doubt that a large number of police officers (perhaps a majority) are dimwitted. A smaller number are flat-out pukes. And there's an even smaller number who are mentality ill.

Americans tend to worship "first responders" as heroic, and conservative Americans tend to excuse cops from crime committed while on duty. Personally, I don't like what the force is, was and will be for the foreseeable future.

My advice is this: be very careful when you answer the door. Just because it's the police ( or seems to be the police) doesn't mean you're safe just because the first responding heros have arrived. Call 911 and confirm who they are and why they're there...

Personally, I have retained an attorney in advance. If the cops ever show up or I'm pulled over, I have a 24hr cell number I can call so as to put an attorney on speaker phone. If I'm in an area without coverage, I have my attorney's business card which I'll politely hand to the cop. The only thing I'll say is "I have nothing to say because my attorney advised me to say nothing without him being present"...

Finally, the cops don't actually pose a great danger to the average person. Common criminals are much more likely to victimize the average working Joe. Yeah, there's plenty of bad cops, but stay cool and be polite and keep your mouth shut when the police show up on officl business. Find an attorney who'll answer his/her phone 24/7 and play it smart. Chances are you or I will never be shot up by the cops..

I sure do wish they'd at least charge some of these goon cops with negligent homicide..
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Defense in depth.
Gated communities, gated drive, outer vestibule or courtyard that is gated with intercom and video camera.

The brick outer courtyard was a common style in the 70's.

Make them have to stop and actually think rather than charge right up to the door.

Even a screened in and securely locked front porch with a dog would be better than direct access.

Slab on grade construction is too easy.

First floor window sills need to be at least 6 feet high with prickly Holly Bushes as a deterrent planted in front.

Answer the intercom in your Madea voice.
Heroo?

Have the Chief of Police or Sheriff on your speed dial.

In small communities get to know them in the Corleone kind of way.

They aren't your friends.
Get a scanner.
Know your AO and the threat environment .

That is easier to do in a small town.




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I think a lot of these incidents are the result of two things, Rambo wannabees on the police forces, and too many cops are infantry veterans. I was a grunt too, and I realized that I have all the wrong reflexes for police work. I mentioned this to a good friend who was on a local police force, and was an exemplary cop, and after some discussion, he agreed with me. He could go into a barroom brawl, and with a few blows from his blackjack to the main perpetrators, would soon stop the fighting. Infantry reflexes make you shoot at the closest threat, and then take the rest out too. That works fine in combat, but it causes problems in police work. And these problems tend to be covered up expertly by the PD.
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I saw this story last night and thought pretty much the same thing that has been laid out in this article. If someone makes a false allegation against someone, that person should....NEEDS.... to be held accountable for their lie especially if it causes harm to the accused.

IMHO - It does not matter who the accused is, Roy Moore or Mother Teresa, if someone suffers harm because of someone else's lie the liar needs to be held accountable.

There are true victims of heinous crimes that deserve the full justice of the law, but when people are able to lie about others and not get charged, it diminishes the true victims claim to justice.

Secondly, not only should the "officer" who shot and killed an innocent person be charge as well as the commanding officer who allowed it to escalate to that level

Trump and others are trying to convince us cops are some how heros, they are NOT and neither are people who voluntarily sign up to join the service. You get drafted and you fight for our country, I will agree you actually made a sacrifice.

You join because you wanted to....There is NO heroism in that.


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I'm fed up with "his hand moved towards..." as the cops' justification.

Too right. I think the old standard of "I thought he was holding a gun!" backfired on them when it repeatedly turned out to be a cell phone, Justin Timberlake CD or some other variation on 'no gun was found within a mile of the place'. They looked like idiots. Incompetent idiots. Eventually they realized it, and pivoted to being terrified of waists.

Convenient. We all have waistband areas, and our hands are on the ends of our arms, thereby spending most of their time near our waist.

Of course no one didnu nuffin. No one ever does.

Baperizer said, "I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING A SWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION."

Miracle doxxed Baperizer, saw Swautistic follow him on the Twitters and DMed him the Finches address and dared him to do something. He, of course, dindu nuffin either.

And what do the police say? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/29/lat....

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Police in Wichita, Kansas, say a prankster who lured police to a home in a "swatting" incident is responsible for a fatal officer-involved shooting.


"We dindu nuffin."

I don't have much respect or trust for a "legal justice system" that assigns punishment as a matter of course on the least powerful person involved rather than descending order of culpability. It's got an awful lot more in common with scapegoatism than law, order, or justice.

There are so many people culpable here, starting with the cop who shot an unarmed innocent man because it seemed like a good idea at the time, moving right along to the three gamers, and then descending to a legal system that sees 400 swatting incidences a year and feels it's no reason to change a damned thing.

I'm feeling pretty bad for Andrew Finch and his family, so I'm also making some pretty stern frowny faces at Americans who saw no problem with weaponizing societies' protective agencies to settle personal scores for the last couple decades. Swatting was an inevitable progression, and people have said for years that swatting was going to wind up killing someone.

Man, everything about this situation is royally ****ed up. People spent my childhood telling me all these stories about how America worked, and spent my adulthood proving those stories were lies.
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The police got a phone call. They had zero evidence to back up the veracity of that call. ....The facts are that the call came from well over 1,000 miles away from the allegedly-reported "address" and the cops performed exactly zero due diligence -- which they had a legal duty to engage in -- before acting on the false report.


These cops are there just looking for an opportunity to play hero. The public be damned.

As far as the **** that set this up he should be charged with FIRST DEGREE Murder - not accessory IMO and fried in an electric chair till extra crispy. This is not a simple prank call. This is bearing false witness to the point of costing a man his life.

What we have here is the use of police deadly force to INTENTIONALLY cause the death of another person. We know the abuses are rampant and confrontations of this type generally result in the death of civilians when police are involved. To purposely use the police as the gunmen to kill this guy is an intentional act knowing the potential outcome.

I'd fry'em all if I could. Nice to know how easily it is to manipulate a situation into a deadly force scenario in this country with a freaking phone. </sarc off>

If you don't like someeone and want them dead just make up a story and have the police show up to EXECUTE them.

This event was premeditated by the "prankster". This is not a prank it was done with intent to have someone killed.



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Can anyone find the name of this "seven year veteran" of the Wichita police department who has been put on administrative leave? Google has been my friend and I can't.

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Can you explain how this caller ID spoofing is happening ?

I was told it was though VOIP computers and naturally when I complained to the phone co. they "claimed" it was hard to stop but was punishable by large fines. Just like the Do Not Call List supposedly has fines. Another example of why have any of these laws if they are either selectively enforced or just ignored with no recourse.

Been getting local numbers calling on land line which appears to make them look legit. Still I never answer the phone period. If there is no ID of the caller or a message concerning what it's about then I do not answer. Hell even when people identify themselves and leave message about something legit I still might not call back.

So when you attempt to run these local numbers down they are either disconnected or in 2 cases recently the caller ID name is of someone local that has recently passed away. Local library even had an irate patron who got one of these scam calls where it showed as coming from the library's name and number on caller ID.

I'm sure it's not that difficult to shut down the scams but like everything else the "bezzle" and "extraction" games continue.

Hope you can elaborate on how this called ID spoofing happens and what could be done to stop it.
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All police officers are taught to adjust their behavior according to a Use of Force scale, which for all intent and purpose is to be used with training techniques to handle all situations. This scale combined with proper training will help guide officers to the appropriate use of force.

This officer had poor training and did not even employ the basics in determining the "appropriate" use of force. Poor training is the contributing factor to this event. This isn't an accident, its an ongoing issue with police departments all over the country.

He should be tried for murder and his supervisors should be tried for dereliction of duty and 2nd degree murder.

Also, using the "I was in fear for my life" is a pathetic excuse for poor training. A properly trained officer knows better.

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You know what the fix is but nobody can actually talk about it.
I lived in a really bad neighborhood and once heard some cops observe an old black man sitting in a nice Buick in the store parking lot. The young cop said: "What the hell is that old man doing? I'm going to go talk to him."
The old cop said: "That's old man Breedlove. You lay a hand on him and the whole clan will hunt you down like a dog. You say sir to him cause he has a couple dozen insane nephews and cousins who don't give a damn who you are, if you touch one of theirs."
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I think we could go with a lesser charge against the caller maybe. But the preliminary reports on the cop look like he should rot in jail for a long time.

Will 20 years be enough to make an impression on the rest of the boys in blue? 30? 40? Whatever it takes.

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So it was a 911 call ?

I'd have assumed 911 system shows actual location of a caller not a spoofed one.
With cellphones - who knows what shows up.

It's high time some telco executives face prosecurion for allowing a public nuisance, indeed now a public menace , to exist on their system.

You can bet airlines and other common carriers are obliged to protect their passengers from obstreporous other passengers.

I am harassed by spoofed robocalls 3 to tena day. I always press "1" and tell whoever answers "dog-b;owing telemarketer scum quit 'effing' calling here."

At least i waste some of their time. If everybody did that it would slow them down to the point it'd become unprofitable.

I've written my congressmam, it's useless. They're pals with the telemarketing industry because of campaign season.

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I think we could go with a lesser charge against the caller maybe. But the preliminary reports on the cop look like he should rot in jail for a long time.

18 USC 242.

It requires no showing of intent to kill. Simply an intent to deprive rights under color of law. They had no probable cause to raid that house; an anonymous, un-verified call to 911 does not rise to the level required.

Then they shot an unarmed man IN HIS OWN HOME.

If you cause death under 18 USC 242 you get life in prison OR THE NEEDLE.

Let the pig rot in prison until he dies, then feed him to a bunch of feral hogs. That ought to be a sufficient deterrent.

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Karl, it appears that at least a few people (other than you and readers here) are taking notice.

https://games.slashdot.org/story/17/12/2....

Not that that means anything will change, of course, but some of the sheeple are noticing....
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"Can you explain how this caller ID spoofing is happening ?"

I administer several telephone switches. They send whatever caller ID we tell them to, and unless the people who run some of the switches we're connected to reject it, that caller ID will go through the system to the recipient of the call.

Now, we don't spoof the ID, because we want people to know where the call is coming from (the recipients often use the caller ID to automatically route the call to the correct person at their end). But anyone with a telephone switch and negligent phone company can spoof any number they like. It's not like an IP address on the Internet, where the 'caller IP' is used to route the response back to the 'caller': the caller ID in the phone system is completely independent of the call routing.

Caller ID is pretty much an honor system, and the people abusing it have no honor.
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"I think we could go with a lesser charge against the caller maybe."

It's at least attempted murder, and should be tried as such.

These calls will continue so long as the idiots making them don't believe there'll be any real punishment for it. Put a few in the electric chair after cops murder their victim for them, and the calls will stop.
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I'm not saying let him walk. I'm just against over charging him. Looks to me like 3-5 years in pound me in the ass prison should rehabilitate him.

As for the cop. He deserves more. Manslaughter and 10 years at a minimum. I'd prefer he serve at least 10. Does that mean a 20-30 year sentence? But what about the other cops that were with him? Did any of them contribute to the incident? If so they need to be charged as well. What about the training that they receive? Did any of it contribute to the incident? Should the trainers be charged as well?


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"Can you explain how this caller ID spoofing is happening ?"

From a discussion with an ex AT&T technician:

When a customer buys a trunk line (a connection with the ability to handle multiple phone calls at once), AT&T will accept from the customer 10 digits to display as the originating number of any call placed on that trunk. The intention is so that say a company had numbers 212-555-1000 through 212-555-1099 whichever internal number you happened to be calling from, the number would present as 212-555-1000. However, there is no range checking on the number presented so that even though you only have numbers 212-555-1000 through 212-555-1099 you can present the number you want displayed as 818-555-9999 (for instance).

And this is only one example for an old style connection to the PSTN from a known location. This doesn't even get near discussions with VOIP, etc that can have calls originating from ANYWHERE.

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Yep there is no range checking implemented by any of the carriers AT ALL.

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