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Seadog
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To paraphrase George Carlin, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

Those on the right side of things seem a bit more relaxed with Trump in than they were with Obama, but methinks that may be a bit short-sighted. I don't trust any of them. At the end of the day, each must be willing and able to fend and defend for themselves.

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Ginnie
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What I see is that we have an uncountable number of laws and enforcement only when it suits someone with the power to enforce. And only against someone they pick out from the pack for enforcement. You can see this on any real cop show, any real life speed trap, DUI checkpoint on up to the selective enforcement against Martha Stewart and a politician here and there.

Politicians get their crimes outed when it suits someone with the power to prosecute them. Doctors get away with true malpractice with generally no repercussions. Heck, you can get away with good old-fashioned murder in most cities because their clearance rates are so low.

There is no rule or law but you have to keep your head on a swivel to keep the law from falling on you like a ton of bricks. I still don't know how this gets corrected because so few see it and fewer still care.
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Yep. Judge Pirro was busted at an utterly outrageous speed recently. Anyone else would have been nailed with Reckless Driving and JAILED. She was given a ticket.

**** HER WITH A CHAINSAW.

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Funny how another fake story trashes the market on Friday only to be rebutted on Saturday. Wonder how many of the elites were buying on Friday......
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Well if they bought the naz, they got cornholed...

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I can see the American elites are having their good old times doing their wish on whatever their elite minds dictates, without regards to the law and the wish of the people they are serving.

I believe that there is a definition for their action but due to my ignorance in the American language, which have words like "driveways" where people park, "parkway" where people drive, force purchases are taxes, a country's top secret messages means having the cleaning maid handling them, where new laws can be made retroactive so that criminals are place in the throne of the untouchables. And, now, we have the holder of our government's highest office bragging in public of how unimportant his view of the law that grant him the authority to make use everyone in this country complies to that same law.

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I stand by my comment that the corporate tax cut can fix the medical problem. And I am going to try to.

The math works. All I have to do is convince one c-suite to cut costs and slash premiums. Then they all do it, because they have to. The monopolists will scream. But if they sell this right, the public will buy it.

The sales people go to the corporations; they talk to the CFO as well as the HR people. They own up to what they have been complicit in, explain why they have to be complicit. Explain that they can do it once, and then costs go up 9% a year. But, if they can convince the regulators to increase their gross margins, they can explain that they can continue to cut cost. How much, I don't know. But I think they can get the 10%, and I think they can get it fast. For once the insurance company is not the bad guy. They are complicit in the bezzle, but not the cause of it. They are the face of it, the scapegoat.

The CEOs and CFOs of the world are tired of being vilified because they can't give raises. You know how payroll budgeting works. This frees up space on the P&L for raises. It is the least paid who get hurt the most.

Because of the institutional ownership of the companies, the boards won't go for it. Not because this is contrary to the individual shareholder, but because of the threat to the rest of the institutional portfolios.

So go in, I level the accusation. I show them the math; the c-suite understands it. I level with them that they can't ask the board, and they just have to do it. They will be fired, for cause. No severance, no unemployment. But most of them are rich. Someone is going to be concerned about a legacy, though. Someone can be convinced to hang on the cross. I'll appeal to vanity.

So I'll pitch investor relations. My resume, a quick blurb, and copies of a couple of un-adjudicated lawsuits against my former employer, which will establish that I have been a monopolist, and know what they are up against. Then there is the B.S. Economics from Wharton, with a major not only in Information Systems, but in Healthcare Management, as well. I have to trade on prestige, and appeal to greed and vanity. I don't like to do either. But I think in this case it is in the interest of public policy.

The executives see the writing on the wall, they know it can't go on forever. All I want is an hour or two with the CEO, the CFO, and the General Counsel. I think I can get it, and I think I can get someone to bite. I'll even finance the expenses myself, and ask for a consulting gig if someone bites.

Am I crazy or tilting at windmills? I have nothing to lose, so I think it's worth a try. I welcome your thoughts.

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Well, I don't think it will work for a whole host of reasons.

But, I'm in the camp that ANY attempt here is better than none.... because "none" is going to lead to a collapse in both markets and economy, likely within the next three years.

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Flyanddive
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Mueller will probably drop his impeachment recommendation for Congress at the beginning of summer. That will make the 2018 election about removing Trump for Obstruction of Justice.

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That would be my expectation as well.

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Mgpacher
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My guess is that Mueller will either wrap up his investigation or be fired shortly after the start of the new year. I do not think Mueller will make any claim that Trump obstructed justice. I don't think the Democrats will ever accept that Trump won the election, but they will be dealing with him as president at least until January 2021.
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Firing Mueller would set off a massive ****storm but whether the Dems could capitalize on it is an open question.

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I would be interested in hearing your reasons, at least the main ones. I suspect one may be you already tried.

I think this is the first time I have heard, or at least noticed, you putting an expiration date on this. I'll try to do my own math on it.

It's intuitive, if you think about it. Consumption + Investment + Government + Net Exports. Some of C and G is health expense. GDP is a function mostly of labor and capital. GDP has barely been growing; labor productivity is flat, and multifactor productivity is growing at a snails pace. Potential GDP appears to be growing fairly well, though I think it is mainly a factor of the potential labor force.

So while the working age population grows, fewer and fewer are able to get jobs. This is primarily due to the cost of labor being higher than its product, for which much of the reason is the inexorable rise of the healthcare costs. Management is usually reticent to initiate layoffs, unless they absolutely have to. Eventually it catches up to the existent employees, and they will lose their jobs. Tax revenue drops, etc. GDP, rather than anemic, starts to drop.

Government spending increases, because of the health scam and the increasing dependence on it. It seems the only people who can hold the government accountable for anything are the finance scam, the medical scam, and the law scam. Oh, and the bond market. Some people understand how much the Fed has monetized the debt. What few other people seem to realize is how much has been monetized by foreign central banks trying to keep their currencies from appreciating.

At some point the bond market wakes up. Probably central banks stop buying. China has already been trimming, I think. Interest rates start rising, and then things begin in earnest. I saw an article on Zero Hedge noting that the ratio of EBITDA to interest charges for the bottom 50% or so of companies is at record lows, even as rates are at the same.

Capex is the first thing to go; it can't be immediately expensed, and it is cash. So the potential economy drops. Then go more jobs.

And so it goes.
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If Mueller tries anything on Trump's family it'll be over for Mueller. You're fired Mueller.. Moreover, Trump is "slippery" enough to understand a war with North Korea or Iran eclipses everything ... Mueller doesn't stand a chance unless Trump does something really stupid.

Moreover, Trump has got it made so long as Trump is perceived as making progress on issues like tax reform and gun rights issues. A perfect example is the major concealed carry bill that's gaining wide support in Congress. Trump signs that bill and he's still got my support. There's other reasons why I still support DT: for one thing he stomped both the Bushes and the Clintons. And he's still disrupting the establishment. Is DT a slimy bastard? Yeah. But so long as the gun issue gets pushed forward that's what matters most. And I know for sure that the dirty Dems would have made a play for the guns... Now, gun owners have more favorable conditions. Don't underestimate the importance of being "well armed" going forward...

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But so long as the gun issue gets pushed forward that's what matters most.



RULE. OF. LAW.

If that was followed, then the 2nd Amendment would be enforced, because on it's face it states "shall not be infringed."

Rule. Of. Law.

That's what matters most. Not laws for me, and other laws for thee.
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Click wants rule of guns over rule of law is my take away from his post.

Renov8
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hypocrite.

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Click
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Rule of law

Yes, I'm with you. Natural Law. God Given Rights. Individual Rights. Call it what you like. This underpins the Bill of Rights. Natural Law is what a rule of law should be. The Self-evident Right to own a gun is all I should need and all that should matter. But in amerika (sic) it's not like that, so we have to do this the hard way. Fine. And I understand why Karl and others are so pissed off that they are contemplating
isolating themselves and enjoying feeding the chickens.

Personally, I think fighting a battle to educate is better than fighting a gunfight to bury the enemy. So anytime I see a nonviolent win against the gun grabbers and we win more freedom and not less I try and support it.



Click
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By the way, the Trump travel ban just went through. And so did Trump's reversal of the 1.9 million acre "public land" grab done by the Marxist Obama administration. Tell me that's not good news.

This is not to say I don't agree that Trump is a major swamp creature. He is. But what do you think Hillary would be doing right now as the Harridan-in-Chief?

****ing you a lot harder and faster than Trump is.... At least that what is seems like like to me. Rule of the Harridan, not rule of law is what Hillary would have subjected us to. Trump, well, it looks like not as much swamp water is going to be forced down our throats.

I sure as **** hope you guys are mostly wrong about Trump and at least he delays the total collapse even for a few months and by some miracle avoids nuclear war and a Dark Age.



Precision37
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So you're arguing about the size of the **** sandwich being fed to you and that smaller is better? If there was actual rule of law, we wouldn't have to eat anyone's ****.
Click
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Size does matter...
Tickerguy
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"Just the tip please, Sir....."

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The rule of law is essential to a governable society. Here is why (among others):

Society ultimately divides itself into warring camps. It's just human nature. Dems vs Reps, Black vs White, Have vs Have-not, Man vs Woman, NFL vs AFL, Taste Great vs Less Filling...

IF there are rules that BOTH SIDES have to follow, we can get along, since these "laws" are impartial and govern the ultimate civilizing behavior in the face of the human predisposition to fight with "the other side."

Once one side is allowed to cheat, the other side will notice, and keep a memory of it. THAT IS AN IMMUTABLE LAW OF HUMAN NATURE. It will happen.

At some point, the cheated upon will start to lose, and blame (rightfully) the law being broken without recourse. The aggrieved then are faced with TWO (and only two) choices:

continue to succumb to the blatant lawlessness, adhering to their principles all the way to their destruction,

OR

play the game, and give as good as they have gotten, if not worse.


To put it in philosophical terms, Nietzsche said it best:

Quote:
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."


Put another way, you have to become whom you fight, since the aggressor sets the rules of engagement.

The aggrieved will then openly jettison the law, whereas the previous aggressor only skirted the law just enough to get by. The aggrieved will be moving with the fury of Hell, because they believe they are aggrieved and the law is at fault. The law is the first casualty, then their former oppressors are the second.

Scary ****.

Without a doubt, the "Dem vs Rep" feud has the Dems flouting the law, and the Republican/conservatives are just now coming to consensus that the law is at fault. It's been 50 years, and people like me (born in the late '60s) only know the Dems cheating the laws of society to keep/gain power. We have no firsthand knowledge of "your Grandfathers Democrat party."

The Obama and Clinton administrations openly weaponized the instruments of impartial law enforcement, and now gasp that Republicans only want to restore them to their proper function. What happens if the outsider revolt that swept Trump into office grows? What happens if the "Trump base" tells Trump to disregard the law - use the law as a weapon, citing recent precedent?

YIKES!

This is the problem. Once the rule of law goes, it's hard, if not impossible, to put back. If restoring the rule of law is to happen, the original aggressor has to have learned from his mistake, which is NOT going to happen, unless they are severely punished beyond the reward they got for breaking the law. The aggrieved needs to forgive and be made whole, or they won't be with the program. As you can see, both sides have no interest in preserving the rule, once it is gone.

I'm not saying that I am looking forward to this or believe this is a glorious opportunity in the making. I'm just writing down my observations, which are pessimistic.

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Cerich
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Oh that was cute, somebody thinks it's only the Dems that don't follow rule of law..lol
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