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Tickerguy
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I don't believe this story about Moore for a second, but true to form the cucked RNC is running away from Moore with it's tail between its legs, squealing "I'm not a misogynist or a sexual pervert!" for any amenable media person to hear.

But actually, they are.

In fact, they passed a law called the "Congressional Accountability Act" that EXEMPTED them from civil judgments (YOU pay them!) and forced anyone making an allegation against a member through all sorts of hoops - including gag orders.

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I don't look at the event which claims Moore sexually assaulted this woman, but the reactions and coordinated responses from both sides of the aisle...all too perfect and fitted within a time period to do the most damage.

The media seems to think we can't connect the dots and come to our own conclusions. Its a real travesty of our media to become part of the political process. I am sure our founding fathers did not intend for that to be the case.

Sick times we live in...keep your powder dry...looks like the time will be here soon enough.

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yep... there is a congressional fund to pay off claims of sexual harassment... in secret....

"The Washington Post, which first reported on the fund, found that between 1997 and 2014, $15.2 million was paid out to 235 claimants."
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I think this is a dead horse and fake for all the reasons listed but something I just looked at about the whole signature in addition to the different color is this.

Signing a year book Christmas 1977 makes sense but then signing it with 12-22-77 makes no sense at all.

You already said it is Christmas 1977 you gave date right there, you don't repeat the date. Also the 77 are completely different, you don't have to be a handwriting expert to tell it either. FAKE.


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I don't believe any of this for a minute.

1. Look at the picture of the yearbook signature - it's crystal clear that at a bare minimum "D.A. 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House" were written by a different person.
2. I think "Roy Moore" was written by different person as well but I'm not as sure. Look at the difference in the M between Moore and Merry - the starting stroke is different.
3. The comma after love is placed in a strange location as well.
4. I can't tell about the ink color from this picture. I've seen color photos of all black ink and another photo that only shows the white of the paper with black ink and what looks to be colorized blue ink. Not sure on this claim. Seems fake.
5. He wasn't a district attorney at this time. He was a deputy district attorney - not the same thing. DA is an elected position and Deputy DA is not. In my line of work referring to yourself as an Engineer before you get your PE license is grounds for professional discipline and possible charges. Not certain if this is analogous for attorneys tbut it seems like it would/should be.
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As has been mentioned here, Alabamians can present curious characteristics, and it has been my observation that Alabama voters surpass all others in our odd behavior patterns. All of this stuff with Roy Moore takes me back to the gubernatorial election here in 1986. At that time the received wisdom simply could not contemplate a Republican governor due to the fact that the most recent one elected was the Reconstruction-era David P. Lewis, who held the office from November, 1872, until November, 1874.

Earlier, in 1970, George C. Wallace was eligible to run for the seat his late wife (Lurleen B. Wallace) had won in 1966. Wallace was opposed very strongly by Albert Brewer, who had become governor upon Lurleen's death in May, 1968. In fact, Brewer won a plurality in the Democratic Party primary in 1970, largely due to the bleed-off of votes by five other candidates. Brewer and Wallace competed in the primary runoff, which Wallace won by 3.12% (33,881 votes).

In 1970 the Republican Party did not bother to offer a candidate for governor in Alabama. The strongest opposition to Wallace was Dr. John L. Cashin, Jr. (National Democratic Party of Alabama). The Prohibition and Whig parties nominated candidates, and there were also two Independents on the ballot. Wallace won with 59.83% (511,555 votes). That's how strong Democrats were in Alabama 47 years ago.

Back to 1986, then. Harold Guy Hunt of Cullman County, a probate judge, farmer, and pastor, who had been active as a Republican since 1962, had also been appointed by Ronald Reagan as State Director of the Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Committee, and decided to run for Governor as a Republican. Of course, the national Republican party practically ignored Hunt, as they had another focus in Alabama that year.

The national Republican party's focus was intently fixed upon Senator Jeremiah Denton, who in 1980 had been elected the first Republican Senator from Alabama since Reconstruction. But this was 1986, and Denton was defeated by US Congressman Richard Shelby in the General Election, by a margin of 0.6%.

Go back to the gubernatorial race in 1986 now. Before we get to the General Election we have the party primaries, specifically the Democratic party primary, which featured three "major" candidates, and two who didn't get very far. Bill Baxley, Lieutenant Governor, faced Charles Graddick, Attorney General. (Also in play was former Governor Fob James, who many in 1978 saw as a Republican acting like a Democrat to be elected, but he didn't get in to the primary runoff in 1986.)

Baxley edged Graddick for the plurality in the primary, by 7.47% (70,271 votes), but neither had the majority, so the matter had to go to a runoff, at least for form's sake. There's more to it: Alabama, being an "open primary" State, doesn't require party registration, and no voter must declare a "party affiliation" when voting in a primary or primary runoff, other than to choose which ballot one wishes to vote, but choosing Party A in a primary and choosing an opposing party in a primary runoff is neither monitored nor a matter of breaking the law. Of course this allows an awful lot of electoral shenanigans.

In 1986 there was no Republican Party primary runoff in Alabama, for Guy Hunt was the Republican nominee at the time the Democratic Party runoff was held. Therefore there was no impediment for "Republicans" (who might have voted in their own party primary, but doing so did not involve promising something very like a "loyalty oath" to the effect that voting in the party primary meant in fact that one would vote for that party's candidate in the General Election, or anywhere else, for that matter.

Now, do you see the problem here? Baxley was "seen" by Republicans as the "stronger" candidate between him and Graddick, and therefore many thought that getting Graddick into the General would increase Republican Party power for that election. So, naturally, there was a major push toward the idea that Republicans could come and vote for Graddick, placing the weaker candidate in the General against a decidedly weak Republican.

And, of course, Baxley didn't like that idea at all, because he wanted to win. So he had some things to say about it, and a lot of Republicans might or might not have paid attention, but the outcome of that primary runoff was that Graddick beat Baxley by 0.94% (8,756 votes). Of course Baxley sued to have Graddick's vote count be annulled due to "crossover voting" by Republicans.

Next, the case went to the Alabama Supreme Court, who did order that the Democratic Party declare Baxley the winner (on account of "mumble-mumble") OR hold (and pay for) a new primary runoff. The Democratic Party naturally caved and declared Baxley the winner. All right, then, all that's left are two things:
  1. A whole lot of voters were rather incensed. This would include primarily Graddick primary voters, I'd guess, but maybe it was just the curiosity streak in a whole lot of Alabamians.
  2. The General Election still had to be held in time.


H. Guy Hunt won in the 1986 General Election with ~56% of the vote, I believe.

During the run-up to the General I heard Bill Baxley say, on television, and for all posterity to hear, one declarative sentence which, as soon as I heard it, made me believe for all time that you simply cannot offer a counter to stupidity. That sentence, in reference to H. Guy Hunt, offered by Lieutenant Governor Bill Baxley, was:
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My opponent hasn't even been to college.
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Additional point: who would write "Christmas 77" and then write the date again under that along with the name of the restaurant they were sitting in when they signed it? The whole thing is ridiculous and a blatant forgery. Moore should be filing a lawsuit and pushing for discovery in between campaign stops.
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Moore should be filing a lawsuit


He is (or at least threatening to):

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in response to what he regards as defamation, giving notice of a lawsuit he and his wife Kayla intend to file against the Alabama Media Group.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/23583/moor....
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To me it is more than likely that everything after the word Roy was added later by another person. It may be that this classbook was not originally her class book. The whole book needs to be examined closely. Possibly the real owner of the classbook can be identified. If this is a hoax claim, then it only needs to stand up until the judge is knocked out of the election. A transparent fraud may be good enough to get the job done.
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Exactly.

It's entirely possible that it was signed by "Roy" all right - - a DIFFERENT Roy.

Thus the need for close examination of the alleged "evidence."

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DA
12-22-77
Olde Hickory House

All that is obviously a different hand.

Moore may match his signature, but it doesn't match the other M in Merry.
I'm not liking the e in "Love" either. The v>e transition is different than the other examples when you are writing, but not enough I'm thinking.

Someone find an old card he wrote "Merry Christmas" on.
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In addition:

1. He wasn't DA. He was a Deputy DA; DDA. And yes, he knew the difference (one is elected, the other a job.)

2. The place apparently was NEVER spelled "OldE"; the "E" was never part of the name. If he frequented the joint as claimed he'd know that too.

3. Why would you put the exact date on a signature after you said "Merry Christmas 77"; is that not a date?

Again, forensics settles this within minutes.

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The discrepancies just don't make it for me.

1. the DA vs DDA. I'm sure he knew the difference, but he also wasn't signing a legal document. It would have been a yearbook of a 16 (?) year old he was trying to impress. A little embellishment wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Heck, I've known people who have embellished a lot more to get their way.

2. It's true that the current place is called "Old Hickory House BBQ", but there is evidence of a different place called "Olde Hickory House". I haven't verified if those images are authentic but it looks to be two different sources (newspaper ad and a directory from that time period):
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/nojs_router....
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/nojs_router....

3. Different inks/additional dates/etc. It's plausible that he would have signed a yearbook at two different occasions. I've often times started signing a yearbook and ran out of time and had to finish signing it at a different time/date/etc. Most likely I would have used a different pen (whatever I had available). I don't think it would be sufficient to show that two different inks have been used, but showing an age difference b/w the two inks (as you mentioned ink chemistry has changed drastically over the past 40 years) would definitely be very telling.

4. What pisses me off more are all the people who supposedly known about this behavior back then - his co-workers, local mall cops, etc and never spoke up about it. Again, in and of itself not so unusual - look at Weinstein, Spacey, etc. Lots of this **** can be avoided if people grow a spine and speak up instead of just looking out for themselves.
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#3 Oh c'mon. What sort of horse**** is that? The original "signature" was COMPLETE (including a name - which might be RAY, not ROY.)

Really?

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Maybe (MAYBE) the woman added the extra information herself that day/next day
after he wrote the message and signed "Roy"? Kind of as a way to "document" who he was/when it was? Seems far fetched I know but just wondering.....
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REALLY?


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Oh boy, it looks like Moore ruled against this yearbook accuser in a divorce judgement several years ago. We have a motive, and the woman has Moore's signature on her own divorce papers to forge from.

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its now also being reported that... mrs nelsons divorce was filed under him in 1999....

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/nojs_router....

ax to grind anyone?
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Hoh hoh hoh..

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Get that bitch under oath, right f***ing now!!!!!

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A couple weeks ago I posted that the ole bus might be getting ready to run over Hillary. And the Dems might be driving it. Looks like they're gonna have to back up over Senator Stuart Smalley first. [roflmao]

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This is starting to feel like a lotto....who's gonna pop up tomorrow....maybe we should set up a two tier or parlay system....round one...hollywood or washington...round two...round three.... these bastards are eating themselves and finding out they taste like ****

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Beverly now admits to adding notes in year book.. per Fox
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