Time To Cut the Crap On Guns
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2017-11-07 09:22 by Karl Denninger
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Time To Cut the Crap On Guns
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I'm going to make this quite-clear -- just in case you haven't figured it out yet.

The US Military failed to adhere to the law and did not report a disqualifying conviction to the FBI, which would have prevented the Texas Church Shooter from buying firearms through legal channels.  That man cracked open the skull of his infant child and beat his wife severely enough that he was tried by court martial, sentenced to military prison and then expelled from the service with a Bad Conduct discharge.

Under the UCMJ the failure to report this to the FBI as required by military regulations and thus cause it to be entered into the NICS databases so civilian agencies have proper notice of a disqualifying criminal conviction is a clear breach of a duty, and that is an offense.

Every single person involved in that failure must stand for Courts Martial or equivalent military tribunal for said dereliction of duty and effectively be made to answer as accessories before the fact to the murders that man committed, and be punished as provided under the UCMJ, including imprisonment for same.

That's justice folks, and it had ******n better re-appear and be applied not only here but to myriad other scams and abuses including Comey and what we now know he drafted as his "findings" regarding Clinton, which used language that compelled him to issue a criminal referral for her violations of the law relating to classified information.

Now let me point out something else, since those on the left are again screaming about  "gun control" and "gun safety."

civilian, not a police officer, stopped this attack.  He did so by grabbing his rifle, an "evil" AR-15 the left wishes to ban, engaging the shooter.  He hit him twice and forced him to flee.  He then chased the shooter down at nearly 100mph in a car driven by a second civilian until the shooter crashed at which point the shooter committed suicide (to prevent apprehension, obviously.)

If we had no Second Amendment said civilian would not have had his rifle, which quite-clearly was not an "evil" gun, because only law-abiding people obey the law.  The shooter would still have had his guns because despite knowing he was a prohibited person he walked into gun stores and bought them anyway, committing federal criminal offenses by the mere act of purchasing them.  It is thus a fact that said shooter would have murdered more people before being stopped.

To those on the left who think the answer is more "gun restrictions" and "gun laws" you must answer to the above facts, including that the very gun most-desired to be banned was in fact the weapon an ordinary civilian used to stop the shooter.  To those facts I wish to add one more which nobody from the NRA will point out although they damn well should every single day the insane screaming harpies on the left wail their tales -- but I will.

There are well over 100 million lawful gun owners in America who have never been convicted of a crime more-serious than a speeding ticket.  It is without question that at least 1% of them will not be dispossessed of those firearms through any means while they are alive.

Those individuals view the Second Amendment as not just the highest law of the land but factually nothing more than recognition of a right that no government can grant because it never had it in the first place.

That is, they view the Second Amendment as the right to defend their own lives which exists by virtue of the fact that they're human and whether you believe God created humans or they evolved, the fact remains that as a human they claim a right to life and self-defense of that life against all who would unlawfully commit aggression toward them.

This is the very principle of unalienable rights that the Declaration of Independence put forward -- not a claim of rights from a government, not a grant of privilege, but as the very title states declaration of facts that predate government in all of its forms and cannot be arrogated away by anyone, including insane individuals on the political left who argue that they have the right to murder as they wish.

More than 200 years ago the signatories to the Declaration of Independence made these assertions and despite modern attempts to erase that fact a material percentage of the American population believes and is willing to defend with their lives the fact that rights do not flow from but may only be recognized by a government because no government can grant that which it does not first have.

So let me be clear and reduce all of the above to one sentence:

The only way you're going to get those people's firearms is to murder them first.

The question thus becomes very simple: Are you, on the left, willing to murder at least 1 million Americans?

This is a "yes" or "no" question and no mealy-mouthed crap will be accepted in response.

If you answer Yes then we know exactly what and who you are.  You are murderous terrorists, each and every one of you, and you all ought to be in GITMO.  You intend to bring down death upon those who claim a right to life and defense of same, supported by facts that predate any government.  You are not interested in "gun safety" and you most-certainly are not interested in "reducing" gun violence (or any other form of violence for that matter) because you have clearly stated your intent and willingness to commit at least one million acts of murder to obtain your political goals.

That's the question before you on the left whether you hold a political office or not.

The facts are that two law-abiding citizens, one with a car and one with a rifle, voluntarily joined together in a time of great need and stopped a nutjob who was in the middle of shooting up a church.  Those two citizens did what was necessary despite the risk of death to themselves after government officials failed to do their job through multiple acts of gross negligence and dereliction of duty.

These two citizens immediately took upon themselves the duty and risk of stopping a murderous jackass without being paid, without any special legal protections should they miss and hurt innocent people nor did they "up-armor" and cower in a stairwell for an hour first or wait until they could get an MRAP to where the shooting was taking place.

The good and decent people of this country will take out the trash when the government commits gross negligence irrespective of its scale.  We saw that in a Pennsylvania field on 9/11 where many citizens sacrificed their lives to prevent an aircraft from being used as a bomb after cock-sucking FBI dickheads willfully and intentionally ignored at least two highly credible reports of terrorists training on our soil for the attack that was to come.  This, compounded by the grossly negligent governor Bush's office of the Secretary of State in Florida which issued Driver Licenses to foreigners here on short-term visas, a ridiculous violation of both law and state policy, were just two of dozens of grossly negligent acts by dozens of government officials that would have stopped 9/11 in its tracks before it occurred.  I remind you the terrorists used those driver licenses to board the aircraft.

The persons who were grossly negligent within our state and federal governments who enabled and made that attack possible were never punished in any way and have never faced justice despite being accessories before the fact to 3,000 counts of murder.  Governor Bush, in point of fact, went on to attempt to run for President of the United States instead of being tied to the mast and held to answer for his Secretary of State's actions, for which he as the chief executive at the time was responsible.  Not one person within the FBI or Federal Government has similarly been held to account for their gross negligence.

Notwithstanding the repeated and outrageous gross negligence of those with a duty to serve the good and decent people of this nation have proved through multiple incidents that they will rise to the occasion when it is necessary, even at the cost of their own lives.  We do not need so-called "cops" to do so as was demonstrated both here and in the skies over Pennsylvania.  Cops still serve a useful purpose in cleaning up the mess, documenting what happened and, if perpetrators remain alive at the end of their crime sprees, delivering them to jails.  They, along with the rest of government, are arguably more like janitors than defenders of the peace.

For this reason I'm quite sure that at least 1% of those who lawfully own firearms in this nation, which means at least one million Americans, take their responsibility to defend life seriously enough, and understand the outrageous and repeated acts of gross negligence by our government well enough, that there's only one way anyone is going to get them to give up their firearms.

You're going to have to murder them all first.

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smiley I think its higher than 1% and they are planning on mass murder. If they do find me its not going to go well for any of the parties involved.

Those two guys that stopped this are heros. I plan on carrying much more.
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I Agree Maynard. Probably a LOT more than 1%. Ive told my loved ones that this is an issue I am willing to fight for. I believe as Karl does about the 2nd. I recently started carrying almost every time I leave my residence.Prior to the Vegas shooting, I kept a weapon in my car. I'm licensed to carry here in GA. and decided to carry on my person after that event. I am ready, willing, and able to go to the sound of trouble if I should hear it.

If someone wants my guns, I will politely refuse. They will have to take them by force of arms and I am willing to risk my DEATH in order to keep them. I did not spend 10 years of my life out on the pointy end of the spear just to give them up.

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Karl is correct in this (as in most things he writes). They next question is, "How many cops are you leftists/control freaks willing to have hunted like rabid dogs and shot on sight for attempting to collect those scary guns you don't like. After that purge, who do you think is going to protect you from the righteous fury of all the people of the land from stringing you up?"
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Heard on the radio this morning a reporter interviewing the guy who drove the pickup that chased the shooter. Reporter asked what kind of gun the "good guy" had. An AR-15 was the reply. You mean, like the one the shooter was using? asked the incredulous reporter. He couldn't seem to wrap his mind around that fact that an evil "assault rifle" could do anything but kill innocent people.....
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Amen...

Furthermore, there are at least tens of thousands of gun owners ( some are highly trained vets) who will not just stand by while gun-grabbing goon squads take the guns away.. There's an unknown number who'll go on the offensive. They won't wait around for a knock on their door. They've already thought the senario through, and they plan to take out key members of the gun grabbers and their supporters.

Personally, when a major gun-confiscation starts, I wouldn't want to be an anti-gun mayor, police chief, DA, judge, congressman/woman. When the time comes ( and nobody knows when that actually happens) the bullets are going to hit the bones of movie stars, fake news casters, politicians, judges, police chiefs ( and their families) and all of the other vocal gun grabbing enemies of the Second Amendment..

This showdown has been decades in the making, and, frankly, I hope I'm dead and buried before the SHTF.. because it's going to be a bloodbath that nobody in their right mind would want to experience... And once it starts it won't just be limited to the Second Amendment, but ALL of the Bill of Rights.. and than some.
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I think americans have collectively obeyed their last gun law already. The bull**** of "Oh, no one wants to take away your guns, you paranoid nut!" from the left and soccer moms in the center doesn't fly anymore because just over the past few years we've seen where in more than one state where guns are registered and then a year or two later the order comes to turn them in. The whole point of their wet dream of "universal" background checks is to build a back door gun registry.

My personal favorite is "No one 'needs' a 30 round magazine/'assault rifle', more than 10 guns!" I display no patience with those *******s. They get a curt "You don't have any business telling me what my "needs" are, bitch!"


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When confiscation comes to the United States, it will not be by force. A mandate to turn in arms will be given. All those who do not comply will be frozen out of the banking/credit/employment system. Since nearly the entire population now lives on electronic money, this will have the desired effect.
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When confiscation comes to the United States, it will not be by force. A mandate to turn in arms will be given. All those who do not comply will be frozen out of the banking/credit/employment system. Since nearly the entire population now lives on electronic money, this will have the desired effect.

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It is without question that at least 1% of them will not be dispossessed of those firearms through any means while they are alive.

Those working in the banking/credit/employment fields might want to consider that there is more than one way to pin a target over one's own chest, and the 1% who won't turn over their firearms without being killed first are unlikely to judge that there is any difference between initiating such an action and a barrel-in-the-face.

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Are we sure the miltitary is at fault here or was this more civilian incompentence by LE after giving the info?
Furthermore if someone applied for one of those unconstitutional permits and was denied why aren't you at there home to investigate.....especially if a felony is being committed Texas?


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I know at least one church where the pulpit was upgraded to be bullet resistant.
So he can stand behind it with partial hard cover and defend his flock should the need arise.

With an AR pistol.
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Are we sure the miltitary is at fault here or was this more civilian incompentence by LE after giving the info?

The Air Force has admitted they did not transmit the information as required.

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I know at least one church where the pulpit was upgraded to be bullet resistant.
So he can stand behind it with partial hard cover and defend his flock should the need arise.

With an AR pistol.

At the cost of his hearing (have you ever fired one of those WITH shooting muffs on?)

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What timing.

I just started reading John Ross's Unintended Consequences again a few days ago.

For anyone who has an interest in the topic of this thread, I highly recommend getting your hands of a copy and giving it a read.

For entertainment purposes only of course.
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At the cost of his hearing (have you ever fired one of those WITH shooting muffs on?)


300AAC blackout, subsonic suppressed is manageable without ears, and quite lethal in CQB.

Also...

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Front page of the Seattle Times today calls those two guys heros. I'll be damned
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My personal favorite is "No one 'needs' a 30 round magazine/'assault rifle', more than 10 guns!" I display no patience with those *******s. They get a curt "You don't have any business telling me what my "needs" are, bitch!"


It's not a "Bill of Needs" it's a "Bill of RIGHTS".

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For entertainment purposes only of course.


I tend to disagree.

Though I EMPHATICALLY agree that everybody should read it.

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The last straw happened a long time ago. I'm ready and willing to fight.

Edit: Unintended Consequences is $53 on Amazon!

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To those who'd like to read John Ross' magnum opus, it is (or at least was last I checked several months ago) available free-of-charge from the Library of Congress' website.

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When confiscation comes to the United States, it will not be by force. A mandate to turn in arms will be given. All those who do not comply will be frozen out of the banking/credit/employment system. Since nearly the entire population now lives on electronic money, this will have the desired effect.


This would have an interesting affect. I suspect many that would quietly sit and wait for someone to come knocking would instead go on the offensive.

Take away my ability to provide for myself? That's the last straw needed by many.

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When confiscation comes to the United States, it will not be by force. A mandate to turn in arms will be given. All those who do not comply will be frozen out of the banking/credit/employment system. Since nearly the entire population now lives on electronic money, this will have the desired effect.

This would have an interesting affect. I suspect many that would quietly sit and wait for someone to come knocking would instead go on the offensive.

Take away my ability to provide for myself? That's the last straw needed by many.

Talk about the start of the General Strike that Gen has been talking about for years . . . .

Pretty sure that this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ would do it. When you talk about confiscation of arms, you are talking about pretty much ALL of "flyover country."

You know - - - the folks who provide the oil, wheat, corn, veggies, beef, poultry, pork, etc, etc, etc, for BOTH of the Left Coasts and high density cities of Murica.

I can hear it now, "So you are gonna violate the 2A and come for my legally owned arms? Fine. ALL Commerce in America comes to an IMMEDIATE FULL STOP - RIGHT NOW. PERIOD.

Even though many many folks will band together to start active resistance groups - no violence is really needed on their part. At least not at first (and hopefully never). Just a complete stop of ALL deliveries - even including active blocking of major and minor thoroughfares.

What's that song? "A Country Boy Will Survive!"

As Pilot said, "Molon Labe"

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I know at least one church where the pulpit was upgraded to be bullet resistant.
So he can stand behind it with partial hard cover and defend his flock should the need arise.

With an AR pistol.


I have one of those things. More novelty that actual utility but fun to bump fire. More like an SBR in my opinion. The flames leap out for 2-3 feet, the back blow gets you in the face and blinds you, and the noise is awful even with protection.

I made the mistake of firing mine in the middle of winter standing under a tree after a heavy snow. I did not find the ensuing avalanche of snow amusing. -lol.

Never did that again.

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Two points which might burst a few bubbles.

I don't know about you, but I am pretty good at assessing situations quickly. That training thing. Combine this with knowing my surroundings and the people in my community and facts about people from elsewhere. If I hear some **** going down, I will not risk my ass for people or their families who do not support the principles that we hold. If by their lifestyle, politics, lack of being personally armed and holding the political class accountable, even if they look a certain way (soccer moms, etc. I am sure that you are getting the idea.), I will let them and their children DIE or be seriously injured while staying far away. Stop being chumps which they run to when the chips are down. Trust me, they would never do anything for you. If the world turns to ****, my the gods help them if they come to my door for help. Unless there is some benefit to me for helping in a situation such as this, my door is closed. It is time for us to stop giving it away so cheap. Years of screwings by the system with its two sets of rules while we doing the right thing busted our asses to meet our obligations has given us a character flaw. Yes, want to know what it is, character itself. We rise to the occasion, sacrifice, get the job done, excel when the chips are down. This character defect will make us face the worst. Now that nice fellow who risked his life for his community was probably surrounded by people like him and it seemed that he really loved them for a tangible reason. Most of us do not have this privilege. Personally I am surrounded by three alarm *******s and usually worse. The few exceptions are too spread out to matter. Secondarily, these communities where people have values and character in common will stupidly rise to the occasion if and when the **** hits the fan in a regional or country wide incident. It is time for like minded people to pull up stakes, cluster and close the gates. Some are Christian and I will not mock that, however it is time to be very unChristian.


As for the government taking our guns, it is never going to happen. They are playing to the left-wingers for votes and support. Not only is it a logistical nightmare and the reasons that Karl stated, but is related to what I have said above. Any invading army would face a guerrilla warfare experience unparalleled in history. No matter what initial damage is done to this country, taking and occupying land would be a bloody failure. The armed populace is a security force. They want to disarm their dysfunctional supporters in left leaning areas, because these people are better controlled this way. AND, they will have the aforementioned chumps chomping at the bit to help restore and maintain order not to mention volunteer for military service and other self-destructive organ donation scut work.

Face it, those of us who have tried to change things are at minimum wasting that thing that we lose forever, moments of time. Was it worth it? Are there other liabilities to caring and doing the right thing. a lot of us also willingly gave up profits by following the law and doing the right thing. What did it help? Karl could be doing a lot of other things with his time and money. Next, they will want our ****ing lives for self-extermination. No way, anyone who wants my help had better be giving me indications for a very long time that they are like me and support what I support.

There is a philosophy of "Enjoy the Decline." perhaps they are onto something.

Karl, I tried to upload a relevant image and think that I did it correctly. If it looks like anything else, you will know and please delete. Something tells me that it will be appreciated.

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