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Rickysa
Posts: 2066
Incept: 2007-08-22

Southern Pines, NC
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Yet in the most videotaped city in the US, in buildings with the most comprehensive surveillance, we have ZERO video of the perp during the run up to the assault, for any purpose at all. We have ZERO video of the counteroffensive from any angle



What I find quite puzzling is this quote from the LA Times:

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There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floors elevator banks


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-....
Quik49
Posts: 4091
Incept: 2007-12-11

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Cbracket....yup...where's the video... MGM now saying the guard should have had a audio recorder on him...where's that?
You can't basically do anything in Vegas without being watched in vey few places.
We're getting served a big smiley

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Tickerguy
Posts: 150044
Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
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There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floors elevator banks

That's probably true. However, there are cameras in the stairwells and in addition there are sensors on all the doors (fire codes mandate the latter; those doors MUST REMAIN CLOSED since they're one of the barriers that prevent the smoke from a fire jumping floors.) As a result the hotel knows EXACTLY when the cops got into that stairwell from the door logs in their security system.

****, back in the 1990s our computer room had a door into a fire stairwell that had to (by fire code) have a crash bar on it. The risk to our gear was obvious; I managed to negotiate a different latch system that had a delay on it, so you had to LEAN ON the bar for a period of time before it would unlock. That met the fire requirement for egress out of the suite BUT the fact remained that there were sensors on the door and if you opened it a security guy would appear in VERY SHORT ORDER up the stairwell -- and he would be very pissed since he would have been forced to climb 26 floors of stairs!

We had an AC unit fail at one point and were basically forced to use the stairwell as a hot air plenum with fans until the Liebert guy could fix it, lest we be forced to literally shut down our entire data center. The building was not amused by this since their annunciator panel was raising hell on a continual basis because the door was cracked open. Our compromise with them to keep the fire department from crawling up both of our *******s was to post an employee within sight of it at all times until we could shut it again so that IF there was a fire on another floor (or in our suite) we could immediately isolate the exit stairwell; that they were willing to live with, but they weren't happy about it. It probably helped my "negotiation" that the actual failure wasn't in my AC unit (my responsibility) but rather was in the building's water circulation pump to our suite (which was THEIR responsibility!)

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Mangymutt
Posts: 452
Incept: 2015-05-03

Vancouver WA
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Being a hero is the ability to act in a way for the betterment of others, you either put your abilities into action or you do not. It is innate you just know when the right time to act is. Sometimes as is the case with the guy who "stole" the truck and drove injured people to safety, it works, sometimes it doesn't, but most people who chose to take a the risk regardless of the outcome can have their actions classified as heroic.

In most cases training, especially civil service type training teaches people to follow a prescribed set of rules. It is not just the police who get this type of training, but teachers and social workers do too. They are taught not to question the chain of command and in most cases the "authorities" reward that person by backing them up, no matter how much suffering was caused. "Good Job" or other reaffirming phrases are something you hear police utter all the time. Huh??

Parents who are willing to keep one parent home to care for their own children. Heroes.

Checking on your neighbors safety, can also be heroic.

Giving a hand to someone struggling on the side of the road, can be heroic.

Getting paid to do a job, getting paid to sit through training, getting paid to give your co-workers empty platitudes, getting paid to sit back and listen to your superiors spin lies and not say anything, is not heroic.

I am a little different thinking than Karl is on the whole holding officers for cowardice thing. They are only officers doing what they have been trained and expected to do, they went home to their families so "Good Job" is what the higher ups will tell them.

But I do not expect the police to protect me, I do not trust the police to act appropriately. What I expect from them is for one on motorcycle to weave through traffic, get in the wrong lane and yell at my wife to "get off the phone", because she had her left arm resting on the windowsill and her hand up by her ear. Good Job officer!!! No go find a cat stuck in a tree.

We are being trained at a very young age not to question authority, we are being trained that our teachers, social workers, politicians, sports players, military (yes I said it) and above all our police are heroes. They will protect you and even when they do not you will still hold them in great esteem, because well they did a Good Job.

I will protect myself and my family to the best of my abilities, this does not mean I will get it right, in fact often times I have gotten it wrong, but those are my choices and my family has either benefited or suffered for it.

Being a hero is about who you are not what type of training or clothing or title you have. Can your family and closest friends trust you? How will you act in a time of need? It does not need to be a highly stressful time either, but when someone needs you, what will you do?
Quik49
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Incept: 2007-12-11

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Every one of those hotel doors has some sort of card access....which is thus tied to the hotels system....so you can get a new card, change the card etc...we've all seen them and used them.... they know exactly when that door is opened, closed, operated and such....not rocket science...where are those records?

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Rickysa
Posts: 2066
Incept: 2007-08-22

Southern Pines, NC
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The FBI has beefed up security in Reno, Nevada after a group of burglars broke into the heavily guarded home of Las Vegas mass shooter, Stephen Paddock over the weekend.

According to authorities, a number of unidentified individuals descended on Paddock's home in the Del Webb retirement community just outside Reno, bypassing both state and Federal law enforcement who were assigned to protect the property.

Local law enforcement says it's not clear how the group got into the home, which is supposed to be under round-the-clock surveillance, and they do not have any suspects - but they also believe nothing was taken from inside the home, as the home was left completely undamaged.


Hahahhhaaahahhhazhahhaahaahahahhha...oh, I'm dyin' here.

My, my, my.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22174/fbi-....

Eskyman
Posts: 13
Incept: 2013-08-09

Carlsbad, CA
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Masterful writeup, Tickerguy!

This whole scenario is a twisted mess of lies, IMHO. Problem is, there are so many lies circulating about that it's almost impossible to unravel the thread of truth, to determine what actually happened here.

Most of what we think we know is filtered through various sources that no one has any reason to believe, and lots of reasons to disbelieve: the LVPD; the Sheriff (who seems to have a nasty temper, and who always had an FBI minder right at his elbow;) the FBI itself; the Mainstream Media, who never tell the truth if it would interfere with their Narrative; MGM and their owners, and so on.

This whole story stinks on ice. 200 rounds fired by the "lone shooter" through his hotel door, which he had left ajar. Why did he leave it ajar? Why didn't he open it all the way & shoot Campos directly? Oh, he didn't want to murder that guy, only a few hundred strangers at long distance, is that it? The knocked-down door on the left does look like a dozen rounds have gone through it- but the door standing next to it looks unscathed. Where did all those bullets go? One hit mystery-man Campos (if he actually exists) in the leg; but there are no pictures of any bulletholes in the walls, ceilings, floor, or anywhere. Smells fishy to me!

Then there's the fact that a number of people reported hearing multiple shooters, but that has been quashed by the authorities. All the fire is supposed to have come from the broken windows on the 32nd floor- but absolutely NO ONE has seen any fire coming from that location. No muzzleflashes? How did he do that magic trick? The room must've been dark, or it would have shone out like a spotlight; but it blended in with all the other rooms in every video I've seen. It was impossible to tell if the windows were broken or not, but you could hear the firing. Funny, all my rifles have one hell of a flash when fired at night, but for some reason his rifles don't flash.

There's the small problem that you can be accurate with a scope (which several of the rifles had) or you can spray bullets with bump-fire; you don't get both accuracy and a high rate of fire. Oh, and speaking of the high rate of fire, where's all the brass? Nobody has seen it yet, have they.

Then there's the magically-changing timeline. And missing videos from hotel security. And the patrons at the event, who not only got shot at but had their cell phones wiped. Then, why did this evil perp kill himself when he did? He wasn't being bothered by the cops, that's for sure! This whole story STINKS!

All I really know at this point is that we're all being lied to, and by lots of different people!
Lemonaid
Posts: 10345
Incept: 2008-01-20

Metro Detroit
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Look Squirrel!! (I mean Harvey Weinstein "maken' the movies and touching the boobies" 20, 30 years ago and ****).

The worst mass shooting in the US outside the Civil War is being bumped from the mainstream news cycle.






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Bjonsson
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Incept: 2010-03-10

Ventura County, California
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various sources that no one has any reason to believe, and lots of reasons to disbelieve: the LVPD; the Sheriff...

The LVMPD IS the Sheriff. Years back the LV city police merged with the Clark County Sheriff to form a uniform entity, the LVMPD, to avoid lots of duplication and jurisdictional conflicts. The current entity is technically the Clark County Sheriff office, but it has named itself the Las Vegas "Metropolitan" Police.

Most of the LV strip, as an example, is not actually in the city of Las Vegas, but in an unincorporated area called Paradise, NV. There are other jurisdictional quirks in the area as well.

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"lone shooter" through his hotel door, which he had left ajar.

It was a neighboring room's door that was left ajar, which Campos apparently was investigating. The shooter's door was apparently closed. With screws.

I've learned this past week that a neighbor of mine had his son and girlfriend at the event. They got out unharmed, but saw plenty of blood and carnage coming out the exit. There's no doubt that a shooting actually happened. And, their cell phone was not wiped, not sure where that comes from.

But, yeah, a lot of the rest of this is starting to reek. The house burglary, and the Campos disappearance are particularly odd.

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