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2017-10-04 15:28 by Karl Denninger
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Someone needs to think outside the box.

$1,500 will buy a drone with a material (~5lb) payload capacity.

Someone breaks out a window and starts shooting?  Fit that drone with a teargas grenade and drive it right through the window into the room.

Non-lethal and unless he has a gas mask that guy's done shooting pretty much right now.

Cheap, effective and fast to deploy.

But it doesn't look like a tank or all sort of military-scary, nor is it expensive (thus doesn't soak the taxpayer) so you know the cops didn't think of it and have one handy.  How come I did come up with this idea with just a bit of thought and yet nobody has that in their kit -- when a shooter with the high ground has been a "nightmare scenario" for decades, ever since the Texas Clock Tower incident?

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Chaparral
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5 lbs of DDNP or other nasties would work if the bad guy has PPE.

Absolutely bad-ass idea though.
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The drone would need some kind of controllable claw to hold the grenade with the pin pulled until commanded? I think Amazon has some.
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The drone would need some kind of controllable claw to hold the grenade with the pin pulled until commanded?

Not really if you're going to fly it straight up and into the broken-out window. You got a few seconds from the pin being pulled and who gives a **** if some of the gas comes out before you get it up there; these things are pretty quick and 300' straight up is a ~20 second deal (max) and you're in there.

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You fly via a camera view, I guess. Three hundred feet away would be tough with the naked eye.
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Exactly. I've got a friend that has one of the DJI units. You fly via the camera back to your control handle and it's trivial as the unit is self-gyro stabilized, so it's pretty much "point it and it goes" via the joysticks.

Straight up the side of the building, see the hole, fly right into it. Done.

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Since the shooter stopped shooting after 11 minutes or so I don't see how the drone, payload and operator could have been put in position any sooner to have made a difference in this case.

That said I like the idea and perhaps it could play in a future event.
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Flash Bang & CS. No need to drop anything. Just have them electrically detonated. Could either be timed to go off separately, or go off together but the devices separated by being on either side of the drone - with the FB detonation directed away from the CS device.

Or - just have each type of device just implanted in the arms/wings of the drone. Purpose designed device.

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Take that same drone and slap a tracking point firearm on it.
Threat neutralized.
https://www.tracking-point.com/

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Since the shooter stopped shooting after 11 minutes or so I don't see how the drone, payload and operator could have been put in position any sooner to have made a difference in this case.

The shooter stopped shooting because an ordinary COP and Hotel Security dude came down the hall to try to get in; he saw that via his GoPro in the hallway, emptied a mag into the hall through the door (hitting one of them in the leg) and then killed himself.

Reality is that these dickheads nearly always kill themselves as soon as their illusion of omniscience in dealing death is shattered. The mere APPEARANCE of an armed person (he doesn't even have to actually get any rounds off at the assailant!) is usually enough. There is a history of this; the mall shooter in Oregon did the same thing. He saw a CIVILIAN with a pulled pistol and immediately retreated into a hallway and then blew his own head off despite having GROSSLY superior firepower (a rifle.)

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Karl, a High Tech Drone has already been thought up/done on a TV Series called APV where a High Tech Billionaire takes over a trouble precinct. Of course this Hollywood and nobody in Hollywood is as smart as you.
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Fly that sumbeech straight up the wall....set off right in his face.


Nice idea kd

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Cheap, fast and effective.

Exactly what you need and it's non-lethal so if you **** up using it you don't kill innocent people by accident.

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But I don't think the FAA will issue permits. (Snark off.)
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Cmon Karl , C4.
Only for barricaded people and you have cleared the area.
Gas is good too.
How about a Taser stinger?
Ride the lightning you bastard. Zap!

Have it prepositioned at events with shot spotter equipment to get the initial bearing.

No missed shot from a LEO sniper flying into the next county that way.
No more Waco Biker Bars where innocent people are shot by police.

Whatever happened to that investigation?
My theory is that the Local LEO snipers killed the FBI informant in the group because they weren't in the loop of who was whom.



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I like cheap, fast and effective. It takes seconds to figure out where it's coming from when someone opens up like this -- it's not one shot, it's dozens, with plenty of flash to guide you.

Duct tape, a gas grenade and a drone that can lift ~5lbs of payload does the job and does it quickly and cheaply. Not one of these douchenozzles in a hundred will have a gasmask on him and even if he does he probably can't shoot with it on his face, so you've stopped him from shooting which is the whole point.

If it gets him badly enough (assuming he's barricaded the door and can't come out that way) that he jumps out the window so much the better.

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Heh, it's already available... sortof. Retrofitting that ****er to pull the pin on a CS grenade would be trivial.

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I like the gas in the eyes and falls out the window part for sure.

My C4 bit is definitely the last resort.
I was referring to the barricaded cop killer in Dallas with that comment in another thread.
@Elkad- instead of the EOD robot placing a charge like in Dallas, Quad rotor UAV with 8 ounces of C4.

It won't take long for one of the Big contractors to put together a system and have it available to be rented out with a trained team for major events.

Could be implemented with off the shelf components on a budget like you say.

Awesome smoke screen deployment system too if you could spare a couple more to fly around.



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Yeah, you could obscure the shooter's view quite easily. The doucheface could shoot AT IT but I bet they're harder than hell to hit unless you have a shotgun with birdshot in it; there's really not a lot of solid space, especially if they're edge-on to you. Never mind that if someone shoots one down that's still hella cheap compared to people getting shot and every minute the dickhead spends targeting the drone is one he can't spend targeting people.

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Gas means we most likely will have a trial. I personally vote for C4, but my vote doesn't count. How about LEO making it a policy that any gathering over X number requires must have X drones per 1,000 attendees. Put it in the security budget. There are audio sound triangulation devices which can pinpoint to a high degree of accuracy the exact location of gunfire. Combine these together and it's a winner. The first or second time the video is released of them going up in a cloud of smoke will be a deterrent in and of itself. Great idea KD.

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yeah, good luck shooting one down without a decent scatter gun.... try shooting some trap even on a slow throw with a 22, one in about 20...maybe....good luck with that.

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Remember how cops used explosives on a robot to kill a sniper?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/us/dallas-....
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"How about LEO making it a policy that any gathering over X number requires must have X drones per 1,000 attendees."

We are already heading in that direction, at least according to an article Drudge had last week about how the Secret Service is addressing scenarios of drone assassination/terrorism.

Even so, I have incredibly mixed feelings about your suggestion. I recognize that the world we live in now requires this. Ditto for trucks ramming into crowds: planners are simply going to have to take vehicle access into consideration every single time they plan a gathering or festival. Even at my children's sporting events, I give an eye to the crowd and vehicle access now.

But the idea of drone surveillance? A hive of cameras and weapons buzzing overhead? I won't feel good about it just because The State is the pilot rather than some nutjob.
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God bless my maternal granddad, who was a Baltimore motorcycle peace officer in the 1960's but the pertinent point is you, KD, lie to the right of 100, while many(most?) doughnut-eaters do not. To wit:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-court-r....

The source is a little dated but I've seen little since that contradicts it. No wonder as all that sugar rots the brain as well as the teeth.

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Heck, doesn't even have to be a drone with any ordnance on it at all. Just send a 'mini drone swarm' of say 100-200 mini drones with super brite LED strobes going off smack straight at the shooter. With modern AI drone swarming technology, that would be more than enough to completely distract any shooter - including even a trained sniper. A bunch of super brite strobing drones in his line of site blinding him (especially at night) and the flying into and smacking him in his face, would completely disorient anyone. A potential non-lethal solutions.

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