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Geckogm
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Some amazing stories..

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Campos was on "random patrol" as a security officer at the hotel when he found the shooter, said Liliana Rodriguez, who identified herself as a coworker of Campos' at Mandalay Bay on a GoFundMe page she set up for him.

"Any one of us could have been in the position he was in," Rodriguez wrote. "Most importantly we are a home away from home and at the end of the day we are a team and we should all go home together."

Campos was unarmed when he engaged with Paddock, the union spokesperson confirmed, which was first reported by The Daily Beast.

Speaking this evening, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo praised Campos, saying he aided officers in their search for Paddock.

Lombardo added that Paddock fired "well over 200 rounds" into the hallway when the security guard approached.

"It's amazing" that Campos didn't sustain more injuries, Lombardo said.[\q]
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Aveteam
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Wis/min wrote..

Karl, I posted that graph earlier on facebook and progressive whined that it was flawed because of lack of state specificity.

Facts make no difference to them.


They probably won't like finding out that blue states have a higher homicide rate than red states. Chicago, anyone?

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Tsherry
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>>Question...doesn't it seem odd that they have the local police doing the presser...in such a big event wouldn't you think the feds would be leading this?..... lots of "I don't know" They sure don't know much....seems like we're getting fed crumbs....>>

We're used to 8 years of Obama coming in and ****ting all over the locals. The locals are running the show, which is the way it should be, with FBI assistance, not leadership, IMO.
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Look at this timeline!!!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-veg....

They sat on their ass for so damn long while he was murdering all those people... Unbelievable.

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My thoughts are similar. ISIS may have claimed this guy was one of theirs, but, while ISIS are evil, they're not pantywaists who shoot themselves as soon as there's opposition. Nor would anyone much care: we all know ISIS want to kill us.

'Antifa' on the other hand, would explain why he'd go to so much trouble to shoot up a country-and-western concert, and, once the news got out, would be liable to turn the cold war hot if the cops don't round up the lot of them ASAP.
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Looks like he was trying to blow up the aviation fuel tanks:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-....

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Las Vegas Strip mass murderer Stephen Paddock used his Mandalay Bay hotel room to spray massive aviation fuel tanks with bullets Sunday night, a knowledgeable source told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

The bullets left holes, but did not penetrate the two circular white tanks, sparing the nearby Route 91 Harvest country music festival from a potentially massive explosion, the source said Wednesday.
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Tickerguy
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If so, good thing he had 5.56 rounds. .308 would have likely penetrated without any trouble at all.

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Dudefish
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I'm not sure even a green tip 5.56 would penetrate a steel tank especially at that range. Although the story does say one round made it through. Maybe that suggests one of the rifles he used was in fact a 308. (AR-10). Thank God this man was stupid.
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M855 will go through a standard-issue helmet at 600yds. That's the premise of it being "effective" to that range.

But yeah, that's a fairly long shot. It's just more evidence that this guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to firearms and ammunition, and that this would have been a LOT worse if he did.

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Als
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Like we've all said things are not adding up. Got this off Gateway Pundit this morning.

Former Navy Special Ops professional Mike sent this in.
Mike says the numbers just dont add up.

With this presser, I am finally getting a straight answer as to how long this guy was shooting.

Shooting time: 10 minutes
Casualties: 600 +
Casualty Rate: 60/minute

This means he had to be hitting one person every second for the entire 10 minutes. With changing mags on a AR platform, in semiauto, 30 round mags, a trained operator might get, might, 240 rounds off per minute. In reality, closer to about 160 to 180 per minute. And of note, you do this to a civilian version of an AR, it will fail. Metal fatigue.

So there should be at least 600 expended rounds that were accurately placed. Add in all of the spray on the stage and surrounding structures, and the round count goes way up. That is going to be one hell of a pile of brass. And a fire hazard on any cloth. (That is one of the reasons you want to be on the left side of the range, and turn your collar up. Hot brass down your shirt burns like hell. It is also funny when it isnt you.)

The numbers on this tragedy do not add up.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/....
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Until we know the breakdown of gunshot casualties vs crowd injuries, there's no way to do that math.

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Well yes, hot brass down your shirt sucks (had that happen despite attempting countermeasures and an upturned collar!) but it isn't going to light COMMERCIAL PILE CARPET on fire. The local range here has a prone shooting pad that's a raised wood platform, and I have a shooting mat I use when shooting prone made from a material that if you lit it intentionally on fire I bet it would burn. I've never had it happen, never had the mat get scorched nor do I see evidence of scorches and similar on the WOOD floor and structure of said shooting location. In other words yeah, ejected brass from small arms is hot, but not ignition-temperature hot and it has relatively low thermal mass.

And yes, that's a lot of brass. But plenty of ARs will eject somewhat FORWARD, so if he was shooting right from near the window a LOT of that brass probably went out the broken window and is on the ground underneath. In addition we can only count the known-gunshot dead as definitely wounded by gunfire. The various videos could probably be turned into an estimated round count, but I bet it's not as high as you think it is. He was shooting for ~10 minutes but (1) at least one mag went down the hallway through the door, and not into the crowd, (2) there were LONG pauses between strings of fire (he wasn't very good with maintaining a rate of fire) and (3) many of his rounds likely injured more than one person given the density of people there and that he wasn't really directing aimed fire at individual people, but instead was simply shooting into a "mass target" that was about the size of a city block. Might there be ~500rds expended or so? Yeah. Lots of injuries from trampling and similar, not all gunshots, most shots DID hit someone and some hit more than one person, a third of the brass goes out the window to the ground below and what's left is on the carpet. Now take half an ammo can of 5.56 (about what that amounts to) and toss it on your carpeting. It's a nice mess of brass (with the bullets still in, of course) but hardly to a "can't walk in the room" level, especially in a suite.

Plausible.

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Mmmtang
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The concert/festival was on asphalt, wasn't it? It looks like astroturf on top of asphalt, which does makes sense for vegas. Any bullet hitting that hard top is going to ricochet and keep going a good ways with a whole bunch of energy. Certainly enough energy for 50-100 more yards to penetrate flesh. He probably had a 100% hit rate for a while there just due to crowd density and ricochets. And if the bullet breaks up on the hard top, then you've got multiple fast moving fragments that could hit multiple people. If a person at the hospital got even a lone fragment in them, I'm sure that got counted as a bullet wound at the hospitals in the early confusion. I doubt the whole-bullet wound numbers are actually that high b/c that stuff always gets overestimated, but I bet the numbers are close if you count fragments.
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I think that information being held back directly supports that movement labeled as "Antifa", and the shooter was a deep believer, and the 'authorities' know that if this is released, it'll be Game On the next time there's an Antifa protest. The Cold Civil War goes hot, and there'll be a whole lot of dead people on one side, and quite a few on the other.


Bracken thinks/ says/ writes/ talks the same thing.


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Question...doesn't it seem odd that they have the local police doing the presser...in such a big event wouldn't you think the feds would be leading this?..... lots of "I don't know" They sure don't know much....seems like we're getting fed crumbs....


and he seems scared ****less



Anyone else notice that also?
Especially when questioned & asked.. During the Presser yesterday..
Do you think the shooter had HELP?

The Sherriff, how can I ,, basically admitted He, (shooter), had help....

IF.. this had been a Repub., Trump supporter...
THIS would of been instant news..
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that said,,,, interesting news about the Antifa Angle...
Seems they are playing with ISIS..
Is THIS the News, LEO is afraid to release?

From back in July/Aug. ??
think some of those nuts have made it back to the USA?
Kick-off for Nov 4th?


Antifa in Syria: Not a Joke
https://www.funker530.com/antifa-syria-f....




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so the sheriff says... What we know is Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood, Lombardo said.

WTF....he spent decades on this yet pick out crappola....and love the front loading "will never be fully understood"....

what is this, Dallas 1962?


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Alosix
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Yeah.. and didn't the guy's brother say something about not thinking he was into firearms as well?

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The bullets left holes, but did not penetrate the two circular white tanks, sparing the nearby Route 91 Harvest country music festival from a potentially massive explosion, the source said Wednesday.


Highly doubtful.

Those tanks are near civilian terminals that service small to medium sized corporate aviation - mostly jets. Those tanks most likely hold Jet-A (aka JP-8), which is essentially kerosene formulated to NOT combust, even when spark or heat is applied. You could drain some into a bucket, and toss a lit cigarette into the bucket, and it would snuff out the cigarette. You need to vaporize Jet-A / JP-8 to get it to burn (like in an engine, or in a catastrophic crash that vaporizes the fuel from the tanks).

If the tanks contained General Aviation fuel (100LL), an explosion is possible, but also not likely. If anything, even with a tracer .308W, you could get a fire going from the fuel spilling out. But unless the tank was mostly empty, it likely wouldn't explode.

Looking at the overhead, there are 3 smaller tanks to the east of the 2 larger round tanks that are probably the tanks for the 100LL fuel. He probably didn't have a clean LoS shot at those tanks.

So yet again, an ignorant reporter sensationalizing to spread fear! And he probably didn't even target the tanks. Probably just stray rounds in my opinion.

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Lenguado
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Yeah.. and didn't the guy's brother say something about not thinking he was into firearms as well?

His brother also said that he was non-political, "just a guy who likes to hang out."

I'd bet a paycheck that we will find THAT to also be a false statement. . . .

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[His brother also said that he was non-political, "just a guy who likes to hang out."]

ok sure....hang out with who is the question

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Just more proof that the cocksucking NRA really isn't the friend of liberty-minded folks. **** them.

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In truth? Meh.

"Bump fire" stocks severely degrade accuracy and in essentially any scenario other than the specific one in which this clownface used them they would SEVERELY reduce the hit rate (that is, SAVE LIVES.) The only reason they didn't here is that he was basically shooting into a mass of people packed together in the space of a city block on each side where it was virtually impossible to miss.

Do I really care much one way or the other? No. But will banning them actually save lives, on-balance? No -- and without them I suspect he would have killed just as many people and maybe more.

But IMHO this is sort of like banning a forward hand-grip that has the "knob" made out of a Bozo-the-Clown head because it "looks like a kid's toy." It's stupid and ineffective, but then again so is such a handgrip in the first place.

In fact that's the best argument for NOT banning them. I really like "attractive stupidity" devices in the context of firearms because anyone dumb enough to use them in a criminal context reduces the lethality of their criminal act, and that's a GOOD THING.

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Alosix
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I agree with Gen here on the 'meh'. While I'm no longer an NRA member because well, they don't exactly represent my wishes (IE aren't strong enough). I just can't come up with a good practical use for the bump stocks.

At this point.. the anti's want something. Some states might get some AWB traction. If putting up bump stops for the taking lets them think they 'did something' I'll take it.

like it or not, antifa or not.. this jackass has screwed us.

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