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Smokintoad
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Searching for "Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler" gave this result...

https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/4656089/....

Should a general practitioner be prescribing various mind-altering drugs?
Asimov
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Ok... So we know a lot is being held back. When you're considering a theory, also consider whether there is would be any reason for them to hold info back.

Example: He's a loner (basically) who's ignorant of weapons and an anti-gun fanatic using this to try to get them banned. Why bother holding anything back?

Example: He recently converted to muslim and it's an ISIS attack. Well... I can see the possibility of there being something in his note/video that they are scared to make public for fear of panic or active operations against others.

The first one doesn't pass my sniff test on the "holding back lots of information" issue. The second one seems far fetched, but is at least logical.

As far as copycats go - the simply fact is that if somebody wants to, they will - there aren't very many people who WANT to do this kind of thing because if there were, it would happen much more often. Anytime you have thousands of people gathered together... Well. Target rich environments.

I'm still dumbfounded by people who think terrorists are constantly trying to attack us. Between our porous borders and all the vehicle rammings in europe, how they hell can anybody believe it? If enough of them wanted to cause mass casualty events badly enough, they would be - frequently. A rental or stolen vehicle and a machete seems quite effective.

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Lenguado
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And "radicalized" doesn't necessarily mean Islam/Muslim . . . .

Yes, there is the Philippine connection, but as pointed out - we are seeing a very different kind of radicalization in 'Murica these days.

As has been pointed out in other threads, there is a deep dark dearth of information NOT being reported in any of the major media sources on this guy's background. If he was in the Boy Scouts or was a member of the NRA, THAT information would have been screamed in headlines within 15 seconds of the shooting happening that this crapwhole person was a "Radical Right Wing Nutjob!"

But we are not hearing ANYTHING at all along these lines. I suspect that we will find out this POS really was a big Never Trumper (as Gen pointed out, probably that guy wearing the pink pu$$y hat at the Reno anti-Trump rally) and a major AntiFa type supporter. And THAT is why we aren't hearing anything about it at this point in the media. My opinion, FWIW.

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The idea about the plane missile is getting some legs in social media....
Was listening to Laura I on the way in....that discussion was fairly centered on the "lack of info" and alot of what is being discussed on TF....one of the guests (forgot name) damn near sounded like he was reading from TF threads...

Also...about those cameras in the hallway...having just been in Vegas, we joked about a room service tray and dishes that sat in the hallway for nearly 3 days....all the while the cleaning staff walked by in multiple times a day....nobody is paying attention....


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Vegas security is mostly-focused on the casino not being robbed or the games tampered with.

They have had no focus, for example, on "**** in the hallway", especially routine-appearing ****. Like a room-service cart, for example.

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Asimov
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Lenguado: Cynical, but it wouldn't shock me if you were right.

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Aracoma
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Looks like he did have a prescription.

Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed anti-anxiety drug in June
By Paul Harasim 2017, Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 3, 2017 - 9:00 pm

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-....

Stephen Paddock, who killed at least 58 people and wounded hundreds more in Las Vegas on Sunday with high-powered rifles, was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has learned.

Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21.

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If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive, said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.

Pohl, who spoke to the Review-Journal from the Netherlands, said the effects of the drug also can be magnified by alcohol.

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Right....I should have clarified that even housekeeping didn't do anything...a common thing as I would assume that housekeeping and room service are separate responsibilities and "its not my job"...marry that with the mantra of we're told to report anything hanging about such as a back pack to authorities.... idea being that there's no way to stop this ****...maybe we should all be paranoid and report everything laying about..... sarc on....

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Tickerguy
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Well other than a GoPro stashed in the dirty dishes there WASN'T anything unusual about a room service cart in the hall -- and it's not hard to hide a GoPro under a napkin or something so you'd have to LOOK in order to know it's there, and most people won't do more than glance at the cart.

"Yep, it's got dirty dishes on it."

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Als
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Dudefish I ran the numbers over on Hornady's ballistic calculator.

.223, 55 grain at 3020 ft per sec muzzle velocity.

400 yards 2303 ft per sec
500 yards 2140 ft per sec
600 yards 1985 ft per sec

Still very lethal even at 600 yards.
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Yep Lenguado spot on, if was the even the little bit right they would be screaming it all over the place.

What we do know is he was a mail man for a time and worked as an IRS agent and something to do with a NASA project. He is a government man for sure, and the lack of info about his politics indicates he was rabid libtard.

The fact is the left is allowing and justifying physical violence as a political tool.

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Bracken just posted a piece that makes you go hmmm.

I just verified that the Cirrus owned by Paddock now registered to Volant LLC. Google it.

See screen shots below.


FAA site shows N5343M as a 152 inactive.

Odd doesn't begin to cover it.

http://www.volant-associates.com/
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There is the police audio from that night and it is really eye opening when you listen. Dispatch is warning officers to make sure their vehicles are locked because the locals were trying to steal the shotguns out of them. There was a couple calls to dispatch of police cruisers being stolen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMrm1xU....
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As far as lethality of 223/556 at that range, 500 yards is typically considered by the Military as the upper end of usefulness (not lethality, usefulness) for 55gr and 62gr bullets. This isn't because 55 grains going 1985 ft per sec isn't lethal, it's just that the bullet drop at that range is getting pretty outrageous.

This doesn't matter at all when you are lobbing bullets into a huge crowd, but it ruins any effectiveness of aimed fire at individual targets. The newer 77gr OTM bullets (Mk 262) intended for designated marksman has a much higher ballistic coefficient and is good for aimed fire all the way out to 800 yards or so.

Regarding the suspect's use of a camera hidden on a room service tray, I can definitely see it working. I've worked in casino security for the past 10+ years, although at a smaller tribal casino outside Nevada. A big place like Mandalay Bay would definitely have their own cameras in every hotel hallway, but unless you know where to look, even Surveillance probably wouldn't notice a GoPro hidden under a napkin or something.

At my place of work, we only have cameras in about half the hallways (which is a constant irritation to us) and a stray room service cart left outside a room for more than a few hours would definitely seem out of place. On the other hand, we are dealing with cutbacks like lots of places, and as Karl said, the hotel hallways are not a prime concern to us.

I manage 7 other officers on day shift, and we typically don't go down to the hotel much during daylight hours simply because there are housekeepers and other employees in every hallway that will call if something happens. At night is a different story though, we do hourly patrols at a minimum. The problem with any type of physical security is people can learn your patterns or avoid areas with high security. There is always a way through our security if you plan enough ahead of time.
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He sure was "radicalized" along with the rest of the left wing nutjobs. They are all being "radicalized" by CNN and the rest of the false propaganda organizations.

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Oh definitely plenty lethal, but....

A quick spitball with some "average" coefficient numbers and a calculator says that with the negative angle shooting included the "hold-over" is ~12MOA or roughly SIX FEET, and of course that ignores windage (left/right)

This was a "successful" shooting mostly because there were a HUGE number of people packed into a confined space, so pretty-much any round put into that field was going to hit someone.

Note that the upset/fragmentation velocity of that round is right near 2,500fps; this velocity is lost around the 150yd mark, beyond which you get .22 caliber holes instead of the much-worse fragmentation/upset wounds. If the shooter had been using something like a .308 it would have been a LOT worse.

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Found the pdf for the patent for Wideband Radar rifle barrel detection.
Lots more patents related to the subject.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8610622....

A search for Sniper Detection Systems leads of course to Raytheon and a few other Defense companies.
Acoustic, LIDAR, RADAR, thermal seem to be the different methods with some systems integrating more than one.
Pre shot detection is the best option though.
Now I guess you have to use RF absorptive foam to camo your rifle to be fully tactical.
It has to have the barrel capped until the moment before firing.
German Electro Optical system here.
https://www.fiduscrypt.com/products/sniper-detection-system-ocelot
Small man portable acoustic system here.
http://sniperdetection.com/technology.ht....
Scope or camera detection. Spot the spotter first with glint detection.
Why you need good coatings and an ARD or screen.
https://www.cilas.com/en/sniper-detector....

None of those systems are going to be cheap either.
I was on a forum a while back discussing this and one LEO sniper recalled a meth lab out in the desert that had off the shelf radar laser detectors set up on the outside of a trailer used as the lab.
When everyone was getting set up for the raid, he ranged the target with his laser range finder and set them off.
He said the Mexicans got really active when that happened.

Recently here in Metro Atlanta a man was arrested for using his LRF to range a police helicopter. The low light camera on the chopper was able to see the invisible beam and they recorded his location.

In an urban setting as opposed to out in a rural battlefield, I don't think these systems would be nearly as effective.
Stopping the Las Vegas event would not have been possible with them.
Reaction times may have been faster, but the shooter still had the element of surprise.
Pushing the perimeter out as far as possible and controlling all of the elevated positions will be the essential.
It still will not stop an attacker that is willing to die.











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At this point, there is one - and ONLY one - "Common Sense Gun Law" that I would consider supporting:

'The purchase, ownership, handling, or use of any and all personal firearms including handguns, long guns and/or shotguns - by any person registered as Democrat, Socialist or Green Party; or that self-identifies as liberal, socialist, left-wing, communist and/or AntiFa; and/or is a member of any left leaning organization (including main stream media outlets) - is illegal; and punishable with mandatory 30 years incarceration in a Federal institution, without possibility of parole.'

Chew on that Seth Meyers, Carson Daly, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Fallon, Samantha Bee, Jon Stewart, and last but not least - Jimmy Kimmel . . .

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I just realized... they aren't saying, "Keynesian Economics"
they're saying "Kenyansian Economics". Grass Huts for everyone!
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Mike Adams from one of those sites our host doesn't like seeing links to is asking today about several other anomalies (among others):

In the room photos we've been allowed to see, where is all the spent brass and the burn marks on the carpet from their heat?

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Well a really crafty guy would be prepared to use distractions. I can only refer to an item used in the movie Ronin he called a simulator. Chuck a couple of those every minute or so in different directions. From a roof top they would get some pretty good arc.

Flashes and pops would cause further interruptions in the OODA loop.

Can anyone furnish a link to these nervous LEO?
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Oh, and if you're planning on doing a Kamikaze run then blowing right through the approved useful load of the SR22 would be expected. It could easily take off with a few hundred extra pounds.
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From ABC's site- "In the months before his deadly rampage, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock was a man descending into madness, according to a person briefed on new findings in the investigation.

More details are emerging, investigators say, that suggest Paddocks mental state was deteriorating before the shooting significant weight loss, an increasingly slovenly physical appearance and an obsession with his girlfriends ex-husband."

Source- http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-emergi....


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Quote:
In the room photos we've been allowed to see, where is all the spent brass and the burn marks on the carpet from their heat?

One shot (unauthorized release) showed a scoped rifle, with a bipod on the forward stud, mag in (appears to be a Pmag), another (windowed Pmag, full) on the carpet next to it and a ****-ton of spent brass (of the appropriate caliber) all around it.

Picture ref: http://www.fox25boston.com/news/boston-2....

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Just leaving this here...


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I would call bull**** but since you posted that graph....
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