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Dennisglover
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Incept: 2012-12-05

Huntsville, AL
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I checked earlier on when county commission and city council meetings are held here.

County Commission--1000-1200 once or twice a month.

City Council--1800-2000 twice a month, with Council work sessions in alternate weeks.

Now, once again, why am I living in the County, and not the City?

I'll be working on changing that, very soon.

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TANSTAAFL
Bceaglejoe
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Incept: 2017-08-03

Massachusetts
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Massachusetts is far from perfect, but amazingly, we do have Prop 2 1/2, which prevents cities and towns from raising property taxes by more than 2.5 percent without a referendum. I suppose it keeps the political sign-makers in business, as it's easy to tell when a given town has a 2 1/2 override referendum coming up just by driving through.

When you get to the ballot table, the best way to address the election supervisors is to say, "Is this where I go to vote 'no'?"
Bjonsson
Posts: 992
Incept: 2010-03-10

Ventura County, California
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There was a referendum here in my county during the last election to approve issuance of bonds to finance school improvements.

Looked at the fine print, and of the amount being requested, 2/3rd of it was for financing cost. Checked to see who was sponsoring the proposition, it was some "for the children" sounding public interest/lobbying group, and an investment bank.

Screw that. It was, surprisingly, and wisely, voted down.

But I saw that as a microcosm of what's going on at a larger level. Interest groups and investment banks trying to load down everyone they can for as much debt as possible. Parasitic bankers and government working hand in hand to use the system to skim from us.

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Tickerguy
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Oh these **********s want a permanent sales tax increase too.

I don't think so; I was part of killing the last one they tried here.

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Winding it down.

Mannfm11
Posts: 5407
Incept: 2009-02-28

DFW, Tx
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Government is like a school of piranhas. They will pick the bones clean.

Property is hot here in Collin County, Texas. $250k is now the new $125k. I'm seeing ridiculous prices, close to double 4 years ago. They haven't lowered the tax rate. My family has 25 properties in the county and the California's are moving in. Wait until they discover there isn't any tax freeze after purchase.

47% increase? The citizens should invade the government meetings and string the bastards up. Taxation in America is reaching a level per capita near the earnings of the median household. 2% plus real growth is plenty. KD mentioned 47%?

There is never going to be a tax that soaks the fat cats. All taxes are borne by those that work for a living. Property taxes are paid by who occupies the property. Maybe not every year, but eventually. The rents will move or the condition of the property will suffer.

They are trying to do something in Texas. Homeowners are limited, but not investment property. Governments are shameless. The people are taking it in the butt.

There is a lot that has to change. There are few private sector pensions any more. That is not true in government. Trillions in liabilities. Pay is better. Job security. They build bull****, regardless of whether it is needed or not. They will let the roads and sewers go to hell, yet build something ridiculous. Citizen dupes pass bond election after bond election. Cronies stuff money in pockets in public works contracts.

BTW Karl. Looks like the storm is headed your way. Prayers are with you and family. Be safe.

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Mannfm11
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DFW, Tx
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Oh, I see the bastard is a lawyer. Probably a political science major, which is the study of how to have a bigger government. The world is headed to another big feudal system.

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Vernonb
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Incept: 2009-06-03

East of Sheol
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I watched that video and honestly it induced nausea. I know none of these council people btw. My opinions are based on first impressions from this video.

First was the pledge of allegiance. I have nothing against the pledge except when it is obviously done as as staged show by a bunch of hypocrites so they can continue the ruse of being loyal and trustworthy Americans.

Then there was the obvious fawning over one another in council chambers and also fawning over their decisions. "We'll we looked at everything and this is the best that can be done" kind of BS. I'm surprised they did not engage in an orgy with one another right there on the spot. This group of people is definitely in love with themselves.

Then there was the fat guy in the suit after Karl. What a cuck. "I here to support you no matter what you decide." WTF is wrong with these people!





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Bodhi
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Incept: 2008-02-23

Georgia
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Citizen dupes pass bond election after bond election. Cronies stuff money in pockets in public works contracts.


One of the many reasons that drove me to leave California in 1993. I can't recall even one bond measure they didn't approve in all my time there. I voted no on every one just on general principle. It's the legislature's job to spend and tax. Putting these measures on the ballot for voters to approve was their way of abdicating responsibility and putting the blame on the populace if the economy went boom. When I used to mention to people that bonds actually had to be paid back with interest out of tax revenue I'd usually get that deer in the headlights look.
Bellingham
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Incept: 2017-02-05

Bellingham, Washington
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Nice work. That shows you are being effective if they begin to try to marginalize you.

Other fun things that can be done. File an ethics complaint on his appearance of is fairness violation(s). Make sure the local press get a copy. Also, newsworthy and may get others to join up is an exploratory meeting to file a referendum or even an initiative to cap tax property tax raises. Press release and radio shows love a good issue.

Your skills in running a web site for an actual solution are way more powerful than any commission. You only need to present a simple solution and people will gravitate towards it since it is in their obvious benefit. At the very least, people will remember these monkeys and vote them out next time.

Sometimes a public disclosure request for all of Boil's emails will cause something else to pop up.

It is also likely that the entire group does their real deliberations out of sight of the public, but it is also probable that at least one of them is dumb enough to cc their secret emails to the wrong people in one of the political parties. Ask people to forward them to you. There is someone else angling for Boil's seat and may be very helpful.

The game is afoot and I bet Boil will soon (double) rue the day he took on Tickerguy.
Oregoncactus
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Incept: 2012-01-06

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It is also likely that the entire group does their real deliberations out of sight of the public, but it is also probable that at least one of them is dumb enough to cc their secret emails to the wrong people in one of the political parties.


I would bet they do the real discussion outside of the public view. I would bet the 3-2 vote with the speeches was to show the people that there was opposition - with the 2 naysayers chosen for a specific reason. I hope that one of them would forward something that could be discovered by FOIA or someone political who would help, but I doubt that. These jackals are well versed in what not to do and how to skirt the public discovering what they do outside of the show meetings.

One way I got around the technology restrictions for presentations was to print copies of a slide deck and hand them out before I spoke at the meeting. Each decision maker got a copy as well as whatever press was there.
Ckaminski
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Incept: 2011-04-08

Mass-Hole!
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Massachusetts is far from perfect, but amazingly, we do have Prop 2 1/2,


I always love seeing fellow m*******s on here...

The last prop 2.5 override I voted down was for a full-time ambulance crew, and **** for the schools.

When I was driving out he kids asked me if I voted yes, and I said no... They asked me why and I told them: "So your parents have money to buy you Christmas presents".

Oh you should have seen all the angry teachers wishing I'd burst into flames...

>.<
Diplomacy
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Incept: 2010-02-18

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Rule of law means nothing to those people who would make everyone into their serfs

They rule with violence, but the people they are trying to enslave can resort to the same.

Ezekiel Chapter 34 speaks on this subject, none will be spared who takes part in feasting upon God's flock.

Goforbroke
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Incept: 2007-11-30
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Drain the Swamp!
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Off topic but related ...

http://abc13.com/mayor-proposes-nearly-9....

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HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Mayor Sylvester Turner will ask the Houston city council for a temporary tax hike of nearly 9 percent to help pay for Harvey relief.

The first item in the process to pass the increase will go in front of the city council Wednesday. The increase would be temporary, and would only be permitted to last for 12 months.

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The city's cap on property tax wouldn't apply here because of the emergency declaration, but rates are currently the lowest since 1987, Bernstein said.

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In addition to storm debris removal, the city lost nearly 350 vehicles in the storm and is on the hook for thousands of dollars in police and fire overtime costs.

That's the other trick they use ... emergency declaration which means that they don't have to follow codified rules or procedures.

Just watch "actual" costs to exceed anticipated costs and have this extend from a temporary tax to a permanent one.

Spending other peoples' money with zero accountability.

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Nickdanger
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Incept: 2011-06-12

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The first item in the process to pass the increase will go in front of the city council Wednesday. The increase would be temporary, and would only be permitted to last for 12 months.


I don't know about Houston, but all our "temporary" taxes became permanent or were replaced with permanent taxes because the pro-tax clan was able to convince the sheeple that they would be used for further improvements. At that point, they claim that your taxes won't go up, they will stay the same. Yes, the same as including the "temporary" taxes. Must be something in the water, but peoples' memories seem to be really short. They were included in the 20 or 25 year city development plans to "fix our streets" which never are, or bring in new industry, which never materializes.

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Minimalist
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Incept: 2011-04-08

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I live in Texas. The percentage is capped somewhat by the state. Of course the way around it is to re-value the property to a higher number just like Mannfm11's Colin County. I'm in a small rural city. I bought all the lots the border my house so that I can have a buffer between me and other houses. Years ago they raised all of the lots to a 5K valuation. I protested and went down the appraiser's office armed with values of other lots next to mine. One was valued at $1500 owned by "the man". I questioned it and received a response that it was owned by a developer. When I ask about why there wasn't an equal application of tax values to similar properties I got the "it's just that way". Open and flagrant violation of tax statutes with no recourse, check. Working towards not being an ATM for the state, double check.

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