Object Lesson #2: Houston
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2017-08-27 20:39 by Karl Denninger
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So less than a week after the eclipse which should have given you something to think about with regard to the thin veneer of society that lies on top of a really nasty underlying reality -- we get Harvey.

It slams into Rockport and trashes it.  There we have people who said they couldn't leave because they're too poor.

Really?  Is that an iPhone I see in your pocket?  How much is a bus ticket 200 miles inland again?  Less than that iPhone costs, right?

The good news is that for most of those folks, in fact basically all of them, they won the bet.  The right decision for them in that circumstance was in fact to stay despite the whinefest of "how poor I am" you saw displayed on TV.  

Proof of this is found in the fact that they're alive, and whatever resource they have they didn't expend running from a storm that didn't kill them.

Yes, their place to live might be destroyed, along with their possessions, but things can be replaced and whether they left or not their place was going to get trashed.  And quite honestly, that only one person got to meet God in the immediate aftermath of the landfall is quite remarkable -- and a testament to the fact that we build 'em better than you think we do.  That was a Cat 4 folks, and they're no joke.

But what's happening now is another matter entirely.

I said before this thing came in that the wind wasn't really going to be the real deal.  It was the flooding.  It usually is, and this time it was going to come with the collapse of steering airflow up above, which meant this mean bastard of a storm was going to sit on top of the coastline and dump rain -- maybe for as long as a week.

One way to put it is that it was going to be Noah-like -- for a week solid.  

Guess how many people near Houston left?  Not many.  And that's a big problem because large parts of Houston are in a flood plain and flood fairly frequently.  Get a Noah-style storm and a hell of a lot of it is going to flood, and it both has and will.

So here we are and this pops up on Fox:

If our home floods, the public is being advised that we are not to go into our attics but rather wait on the roof for rescue. How on earth would we get five children on our roof (three of them babies) if it comes to that? My wife and I have had to work through scenarios of who would grab which baby while directing our older two children to stay in a safe place. 

That's because if you go into your attic and the water keeps coming up you just climbed into a coffin.  That should be obvious and that someone has to tell you this says a hell of a lot about your intelligence -- or lack thereof.

The better question is this:  What the hell were you thinking staying there with an inbound storm predicted to stall and dump feet worth of rain for days when you have five small children, three of them babies, in that house?

The article goes on to talk about them not having any sort of rational set of emergency provisions in said house, despite living in a place where hurricanes come from time to time.  They do have a $400 cooler (a Yeti), however, which means they could have instead stocked back a bunch of non-perishable food and some water bladders, Aquamira drops and filters sufficient to insure they had two solid weeks of provisions -- and drinkable water.

But they didn't do that, and what's worse they're relying on the power to keep what food they have edible -- never mind keep their well pump running so they have water, which, it appears, never entered their mind.

Really folks?

Look, I hope these folks are ok.  I really do.  But that this sort of article gets published without a care in the world for what could go wrong in your environment around you nor one single ****ing word about remorse in failure to prepare and failure to leave when there was plenty of time (which there was), especially with five small kids in the house, none of whom can be of effective help in an emergency is outrageous.

Listen, I get it that 75% of the population of this country literally lives paycheck-to-paycheck, and would starve if the next one didn't show up.  70% of the population is in material debt as well, which means that if said paycheck doesn't show up angry bankers start dunning you and taking your ****, like, for instance, your car.

But the responsibility for this is ours collectively.  We let the banksters who got us into all this debt and sold all this crap before 2007 and 2008 keep it all and keep it all on us, instead of forcing it to clear, bankrupting people then (who by now would have rebuilt their economic lives minus said debt.)  We feted Obama instead of excoriating that rat bastard for what he did politically with both the banksters and medical industry in his 8 years in office.  We've spent our time pissing up a rope instead of taking on the medical monopolies and costs, which is a big part of why that 75% of the population is one small problem away from bankruptcy and ruin.  And we've refused to hold a single ******ned executive or politician to account for any of this crap all the way up to the present day. 

Then, for icing on the cake, we have the so-called Antifa out in Berkeley today beating people for their political beliefs on live camera without a cop in sight.  An act that is identical in form and substance to what the Nazis did to the Jews, and yet they claim to be "anti-fascists."  Uh huh.  On what planet is this not a hate crime, conspiracy to deprive civil rights and felony mob action, for starters?  If the Berkeley police won't arrest any of these thugs then they need to be charged as accessories before the fact to those felony assaults with each and every one of them tossed in prison for 20 years.

None of that matters though when the thin veneer of so-called "civilization" is torn off by a nasty storm and what's underneath has been eaten by termites and is rotted besides.  You can't EAT the Dow Jones index and it won't run your well pump either.  Instead of buying expensive iPhones and fancy coolers as a testament to how rich we are how about a ******ned generator to run your well pump, some gas for it, a few water bladders and some water purification drops and filters?  How about a pantry full of non-perishable things to eat, and a way to cook and eat them -- even if it's a couple of bottles of propane or bags of charcoal for the grill?  You do have a manual can opener and enough physical hand strength to use it, right?

And how about if you choose to pop out five kids over a short period of time, such that all of them are of tender years and unable due to age to be constructively helpful during an emergency and instead represent an intractable and yet necessary burden that if you get warning of such a natural disaster being possible and indeed probable you get the hell out of there and spend your $400 Yeti money on a damned Motel 6 for a week 200+ miles inland, reached with the gas in the car you keep half-full or better, or can fill from said emergency generator cans if you decide you have to bug out?

The problem is that you have to take the chance that the warning is false, and you won't get nailed, which means you spent a couple hundred bucks for nothing.  Well, ain't life a bitch.  Your little cocoon of "normal" is all so nice in the suburbs or near-city environs, isn't it?  Nice enough to crank out some babies and buy some expensive coolers without a damned care in the world about what you're going to do when the grocery store shelves are stripped to the walls in 15 minutes and there is no gas at the local station, then the water starts coming up.  And oh by the way, this time you had a couple days warning -- you don't always get that with either natural or "man-made" disasters, you know.

It's called optionality folks and it's what you give up when you buy the Yeti, the iPhone and the expensive SUV along with all the other crap you insist is so damned important, never mind going into debt up to your eyeballs.

Not having optionality when you need it, or being too damned stupid to exercise it prudently can get you and everyone you love killed.  Sadly, a few people have learned that the hard way in the Houston area already and I bet more will before this beast of a storm moves onward.

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The residents of my little home town in Central Oregon got a small taste of this strain on resources (minus the flooding of course) shortly before and after the eclipse, and also the Symbiosis gathering held at Big Summit Prairie. However, being country folk, (mostly farmers, ranchers, ex-loggers, millworkers and truckers), and accustomed to getting nothing but shat on by our State & Federal government, they took heed and stocked up on food & fuel in the days leading up to it. Roads & highways turned into parking lots and gas stations ran out of fuel, as Karl described in a prior post on the eclipse.
These people might not all have fancy cars, phones, houses or six-figure incomes, but they do have common sense and act when they see trouble coming.

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In-laws were supposed to leave South houston today on a road trip. I told them 4 days ago they needed to start the trip immediately. No Dice. Now they are stuck, and these aren't dumb people. They just have no way of analyzing the scope of something like this.

I was speaking with wife about Antifa since she watched the 20/20 special.Your comment about them being "anti-fascists" is exactly what I was telling her.
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Sorry Karl, bad timing. As soon as game of thrones is over (GOTR) I can respond. /sarc

I'm trapped in my room while I'll the consumers outside are rallying around their china imported tv. When will they learn? No healthcare, no problem. I'm tweeting about the latest game of thrones episode. I'm good.

I'm ready for the collapse.

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Yep. Early in October of last year, hurricane Matthew came up the east coast of Florida. It passed offshore within 15 miles of our place as a Cat 3. Wind damage was minimal, but the worst of it was right at high tide, so the surge came over the dune and made quite a mess of the neighborhood.

Ever since we bought that place 6 years ago, we've had a very simple plan for when a hurricane threatens: Go somewhere else! We packed both cars with what we could and conveyed them outa there one day before it became mandatory and traffic got bad.

One guy four houses to the north of us stayed and posted vids on Farcebook. For a while he was like, "no big deal", but then the ocean started coming over the dune and his tone changed quite a bit. Idiot.

I know of two people in SE TX who are riding this out, but they're inland a ways and claim not to be in low-lying areas. So far, so good (i.e they're still online).

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It remains that the herd still needs to be thinned. I told my wife 2 weeks ago when this came off the African coast at barely 5 degrees n latitude that this is where the ones that always get Texas come from.

What gets me is the incorrect historical information that is being disseminated by the "experts" on the weather channel. Yes everybody remembers Carla in the early 60's. Try remembering Beulah in 1967. The anemometer in Brownsville only registered 109 mph but was blown over by a 30 degree tilt. However, the barometric pressure was lower than anything until you go back to Galveston. Or how about the tropical depression that stalled out southwest of Kerrville in the Hill Country in August 1979. Completely filled an empty 44 gal barrel in one night just east of Vanderpool.

I didn't even call my kids to make sure they had their act together. They have seen the drill and if they had any questions they would call.Having extra propane and non perishable food is a given. OBTW, we discuss flood issues when they are looking for a house, not after they have lived their a while.

FEMA use to buy and tear down your home if it kept flooding in the past. How about moving some of these folks that are too stupid to take care of themselves to Chicago or Detroit? I understand they have a surplus of empty homes there than need someone to live in.

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Good Morning Karl...
Everything you have pointed out is absolute FACT..
There's no refuting anything you said..
Over the years,, I guess you know I'm quite the Weather Nerd...
Remember Sandy? Folks, here asking about possible conditions in they're Local?? I like to believe WE BOTH saved a few folks ass's that Fall....

I was tuned in acutely into this one also, (Harvey)... It Kepted reminding Me of the Lil Storm that could.. (Humberto) that blew up near/on the coast in similar fashion...
I was on a "Conservative" Forum, practically YELLING to folks there to "GTFO" NOW, (as in yesterday), as it became apparent the Storm would just "sit" after making landfall...
I was "pooed-pooed" that I was being chicken Little, that NO-Way would a Hurricane set in one area, If it did, it would harmlessly "spin-down"..
I Opined that it wasn't the WIND... It was the RAIN, Yes, Literally the Sky would be falling.. smiley

Huston will survive, were Texans! I was told, the storm is 100 miles down the coast!, I was told...Can't be worse than Claudia or Allison they said...

ONE FULL DAY looking at the upper steering currents across the Western US... It's NOT hard to obtain that info, IF you have half a friggin brain, can be easy to find out... Yes; There's a APP for that smiley
I was SCREAMING at Folks residing there,,, GET OUT NOW, what did they have to loose? time? Or a Bus ticket as you say?
Yet, they got that 45.00 YETI Bucket... (Have you seen those?) smiley
But the MAYOR says.....
I went on to say...
This is going to make Katrina & New Orleans look like Childs play..I Mused to them they just may want to build a ARK... They laughed at Me...
Now Sadly, those same folks 2 days ago that were asking for Prayers,, Now; they are apparently missing, (or quite) as they are , well? not posting...

I had a High school Life-long friend that was residing there, He was Living from "paycheck to paycheck", just outside of Huston.. I talked Him into getting a plane Ticket,(round trip),, Hell, I bought it for Him on MY credit Card. He arrived late last week, (Day before landfall) from Huston.. He is now [/I]"Eternally grateful"[/I]... His Misses stayed behind,( w/Her Family), He cannot get in touch w/Her now..
I hate to say this, I know, I've been a Chicken Little a few times Here on this Forum, when it comes to Weather & Hurricanes..
Most If not all know I reside in ILM, N.C., been though every-one of them, (except for my stint in Panama), I know what to expect, I know how much rain can be dumped in a very short period of time (Floyd comes to mind)smiley ..

I cannot add to anything you posted...
Except this Lil Tid-Bit.... Those Reservoirs that are over full, I know a guy from the Corp of Engineers, He Opined a few Days ago, as this started to unfold.. That those Dams are in VERY POOR SHAPE, as in they were kinda "leaking" underneath them as were 50% of the Levies down there..
He said,, Imagine a full glass of water dumped on a table top.. It's going to just... Well everyone here can guess..
You would of thought those Folks Whom were Re-Located from NOLA to Huston, would of seen this coming from waaaay back... And got they're arses OUT of there!
Again another great Ticker Sir.. smiley

I'm watching the Weather in My own Backyard ATM, We are under a Tropical Storm Watch.. smiley

Have a great Day..

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I think there are many that don't want to take the time and effort to put together what it takes to either bug out or hunker down. In reality for a couple hundred bucks and a few hours you could do a lot.

But I think the bigger problem is that too many people don't even want to think for themselves. Somebody posted on twitter last night that the lack of mandatory evacuations is going to cost lives. My response was that lack of people thinking for themselves is going to cost lives. Many of the people that are stuck didn't go out and find the information they needed and then make some hard decisions about what they were going to do - not even basic things.

You have a Yeti cooler - great - put the food you need for a few days it it. Keep gas in your car - if you don't bug out you are still going to use it. Pick up a few extra canned goods when you buy groceries. Wait for them to go on sale - always keep enough to get you through a few days. Same with bottled water - having a few 2.5 gallon containers costs like $10, or pennies if you refill from your tap just before the storm starts.

Most of the people that are now stuck are their because they wanted .gov to save them and to make their decisions for them.



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Exactly.

For example it is extremely common to have peanut butter go on sale 2-for-1. It has an expiration date typically two years+ out.

Peanut butter (1) requires no refrigeration, (2) is VERY calorie dense so you can get a lot of it in a little space, (3) unless you're allergic to peanuts is a nearly-ideal emergency food because it requires no preparation. It is also reasonably compatible with a LCHFMP lifestyle (not perfectly so, as it has too many carbs for high-compliance, but it sure as hell beats things like beans or rice in all respects) and CAN be had with no hydrogenated oil (the most-common substitute is palm oil, which isn't fantastic but it beats the hydrogenated crap.)

So when it goes on sale 2-for-1 buy a hell of a lot of it and stash it, rotating what you eat normally. It's trivially easy to store enough of it for two people to eat for a week; a small jar has roughly 1-1/4 days worth of base metabolic calorie requirement for an adult -- and 2 full days if you're willing to run at "minimum" calorie intake (~1,200 kcal/day.)

Second, for adults and other than infant and toddler children food isn't the problem for the first week or two. What will KILL YOU is no drinkable water. A 5-gallon-bladder per-person will hold you for a week if you're not exerting yourself, and if you have a filter and Aquamira drops caught rainwater or any water source that isn't chemically-contaminated and isn't salty can be filtered and made biologically safe. A little bottle set of Aquamira will biologically disinfect 20 gallons of water, and the larger Sawyer filter will run through hundreds of gallons, provided you rig up a t-shirt or similar to keep larger silt out of it so it doesn't clog (and it can be backwashed to clear clogging as well.) The other obvious alternative for a house is one of the berkely filter systems; they're too big to carry in a bugout but at your home they're fine. It's about $50 to buy and make the setup for this, and if you fill your bathtubs and other containers at the first sign of trouble you have non-silty water to put through the system and purify for drinking.

If you live in a place where hurricanes do show up this sort of kit isn't optional, it's mandatory -- and it's cheap. If you ain't got it the fault isn't the government's.

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This post plus the eclipse one has gone a long way toward validating my primary strategy. That strategy is to have a good plan to shelter-in-place. We are in a very small town with no large city nearby, have supplies like you mention, and it is downhill in EVERY direction from my house. The common(?) issues that are most likely to defeat my plans are a tornado and civil unrest, at least those are the ones that I can think of.

I am 100% agreement with your suggestions, food and water for two weeks is a minimum requirement. I think FEMA even suggests one week of supplies to give them a chance to get setup to help people.

FWIW, I went through part of the flood of 1994(?) in western Georgia. A tropical depression stalled over the western half of the state and gave a large area 20 to 24 inches of rain. It is very hard to imagine twice that.

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I am 100% agreement with your suggestions, food and water for two weeks is a minimum requirement. I think FEMA even suggests one week of supplies to give them a chance to get setup to help people.

FEMA can begin to cover something like Houston -- in a week or so.

If the "event" is wide-scale (beyond a single metro area), forget it. The supplies simply don't exist, and if the infrastructure is out-of-service over a wide area there's no production to fill the supply lines with either.

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I am 100% agreement with your suggestions, food and water for two weeks is a minimum requirement. I think FEMA even suggests one week of supplies to give them a chance to get setup to help people.


FEMA can begin to cover something like Houston -- in a week or so.

If the "event" is wide-scale (beyond a single metro area), forget it. The supplies simply don't exist, and if the infrastructure is out-of-service over a wide area there's no production to fill the supply lines with either.


And that is why risk-averse folks like you and I have supplies that let us go much longer than two weeks. With a rotation system it costs close to zero and, why gamble with you and your family's lives?


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At a minimum, I'm convinced more people just need to go outside and do some camping or hiking away from modern convenience. I've never done anything as serious as many on here, but even still you learn real quick that if you didn't bring it or can make it yourself, there's no one coming to your aid. It changes the mindset away from dependency and that's probably the biggest hurdle.

Our house is way out in the country and loses power a bunch and I've raced atvs all over the east coast in some remote areas, so you get used to times with no outside help. Something as simple as just calculating how much food and water to pack is something the average person hasn't thought about much. I'm not nearly as prepared as I would like, so this is another good push in the right direction to motivate me.
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Someone mentioned the water heater stash I think in a previous ticker.
30 to 50 gallons of water in a water heater.
A few gallons in the back of a old style toilet.
Ice maker tray a quart of h2o? Some water in the ice maker line.
A recently used 50' garden hose a couple gallons?
And a few cups in the hoses of a washing machine.
I wouldn't rely on these sources but if you're thirsty have at it.

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This is just a microcosm of Western society as a whole. Everything is efficient, just-in-time, with no backups. So long as nothing breaks, it works fine. As soon as something major does break, it all goes down.

Worse than that, the more reliable things are, the less anyone knows whether any backup plans will actually work, or whether the people responsible for them even know what they're doing. If the power goes out and all you have to fix it are a mob of know-nothing Millennials, it'll go Mad Max real fast.
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I spent a fair bit of my youth growing up on the north side of Houston. We were always "hurricane ready" to either shelter in place or head north. To this day I still keep 5 gal of gasoline on hand should I need to bug out and all the local pumps are dry. It's trivial to pour it into the car and refill to keep it fresh every couple weeks. Something I learned from my life in the hurricane zone. Food is simple to keep some extra stock on hand and while I have a water filter I also have about half a dozen cases of bottled water from Costco. Again, simple to build a small cache and restock as consumed.

The empty supermarket shelves always astonish me as I don't even live in a hurricane zone but could shelter in place for weeks without even lifting a finger. I get a kick out of all the personal finance talking heads advising on building a rainy day fun. Which is good of course, but there is never any discussion about building a survival cache which is more valuable than money in a bank in a real emergency.

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Which is good of course, but there is never any discussion about building a survival cache which is more valuable than money in a bank in a real emergency.

Yep. No power, no ATM and no credit card machine either. You can have a billion in the bank but it's worthless without modern communications and utility service.

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Part of my annual house checkup is to turn every water valve in the house (including the "city's" two in the meterbox outside) fully closed, and open again. People ignore them for years and then they are frozen or break when you try to use them.

My water heater has shutoff valves on intake and outflow both. Close them (and shutoff the heater at the mains) before the power dies.

Now I can use the sediment drain at the bottom to get 40 gallons of water.

It's in the (aboveground) basement/garage though, so in a flood it needs to move. Besides transferring all the water to whatever containers I can find, in an emergency I could close the valves, hacksaw the PVC line above the valve, build a little ramp to the platform it sits on so I can get my hand truck under it, and roll all 400lbs of it right the hell out the garage door. It'd take help (or a lot of basic engineering with block&tackle and/or ramps) to get it up the steps into the main house but it's doable. If I want it in the truck, it goes halfway up the porch steps, then the truck backs up to it. Or roll it down the alley to borrow the neighbor's wheelchair ramp to go up - probably faster.

The main street less than a mile from my house floods in every reasonable storm. But I'm at least 50' higher than that on a little knob, and there are no rivers nearby, so flooding isn't a real worry, other than maybe living on an island for a while.

But that isn't the only disaster. If I can't bugout, it's the contents of the freezer (meat & veg) cooked on the gas grill, reserving store-able fats for later. When the meat goes bad or runs out, it's time to break out the stored rice&beans. Not LCHF, but by the time you are rationing, it doesn't matter any more. Supplement with butter until it turns too rancid to eat, and only then break open the peanut butter. That's at least a month more.
After that, I guess something drastic involving neighbors and stewpots.

Long term water - again assuming I can't bugout to my selected location which has a well - or something happens to the well. Gutter catchment I guess. I have an empty 50gal plastic barrel.
Liquid bleach goes bad. So Calcium Hypoclorite (pool shock, well sanitizer) to disinfect. Stores forever if you buy the dry form. Follow approved ratios with a small amount of water to make your disinfecting solution (don't drink - you just made bleach!). Use that new mix at the standard bleach ratios to disinfect your clear/cloudy/muddy water. Don't forget to wait an hour after treatment before drinking.

1000 grams (in handy 1gram pellets) is under $20, stores forever (don't keep in metal, including in a jar with a metal lid, it's corrosive). Treats many thousands of gallons of water. A few pellets in a plastic/glass babyfood jar should probably be in your go-bag as well, especially if you don't have commercial treatment drops.
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The Aquarmira drops are the same Chlorine Dioxide that is used in municipal water supply treatment, and after a few minutes results in biologically-safe water -- including viruses. Be very careful using pool shock (it works, but is quite unsafe to handle; in a bug-out situation that can be bad news.)

I keep the Aquamira around for two reasons -- this, and second it is what I use when backpacking for secondary treatment (after filtration.)

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RE: Peanut butter. I've found these to be OK:

Aldi's "Natural" peanut butter -ingredients: peanuts, salt, palm oil and, sadly, some sugar (no HFCS or hydrogenated oils) is $1.39 per 16 oz jar. Occasionally, the store has a version containing only peanuts, peanut oil, chia seeds and salt for $1.99 / lb.

Their upscale sister store "Trader Joe's currently sells 16 oz jar of peanut butter which contains only ground peanuts, peanut oil, and salt for $2.29
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Question: Aren't legumes (peanuts) a source of high body inflamation? (even if you are not allergic to them)

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Question: Aren't legumes (peanuts) a source of high body inflamation? (even if you are not allergic to them)

Ehhh..... there's a lot of controversy over that. Some say yes, some say there's enough magnesium, B-6 and Vitamin E in there to not only counteract same but be anti-inflammatory. Note that all legumes are NOT equal. I generally avoid them, but peanuts I consider mostly-neutral on the current evidence (in other words they're not my first choice, as they're not actually nuts, but they're not on the "never eat" list either.) Now peanut butter made with hydrogenated oil, YES, that's on the "never eat" list. Read the label.

There is an interesting clinical trial recently completed, but not yet published..... and yes, I'm interested in the results when available.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0....

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Good article by Karl.

I'm a prepper, and I have a house in Houston strategically located in a place where I can be the first to bugout if necessary. I can see a Bayou from my upstairs window, but before I bought the house I made damn sure it was well out of the flood zone... Guess what? It's not out of the 800 year flood zone and the first floor has 3 ft of water it..

The lesson is that you just never know when you're going to face a SHTF situation... The house has three levels, and both my adult sons are sheltering in place with plenty of supplies. All of the neighbors are gone... The Coast Guard got the last ones out today... By sons and their survival group are the only ones able to remain... Why?

Because they are well equipped and we'll supplied ... In fact, they have my radio outfit which can directly contact the US Coast Guard, Houston Fire Dept, HPD and CB or ham radio operators...

So yeah, I believe in being well prepared... Being prepared means I don't have to rush home and I can remain at the Grand Canyon...
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It ALSO means when the water recedes they can get the trashed wallboard and flooring OUT immediately, which will DRAMATICALLY reduce the bill to fix it.

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