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Folks, this one's pretty simple:

1. You have the right to free speech.  That happens to not only include but is explicitly present in the Bill of Rights to protect disgusting, outrageous speech.  Why?  Because nobody ever tries to censor the other kind.  I remind you that the KKK has for decades marched in Skokie, IL -- a Jewish community.

2. You do not have the right to respond to speech, no matter how outrageous or disgusting, with violence.  Period.

If you do not both accept and embrace #1 and #2 then we no longer have a Constitutional Republic.

You will rue the day America is no longer a Constitutional Republic, no matter if you think you're on the "correct" side of the argument or not.  The day our government fails to prosecute violence directed at someone for mere speech, irrespective of how outrageous said speech may be is in fact the bright-line test as to whether our Constitutional Republic still exists.

Let's see what Jeff Sessions actually does.

As for those demanding that the President intimate that the government should, or might, suppress free speech?  I'll buy you a one-way ticket to North Korea; you'll fit right in and can watch the off-time sunshine that appears to be headed for a rendezvous with Fatman.

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Whoever is funding ANTIFA pawns, got their wish yesterday. The question is if sacrificing this pawn opens up a line of attack on the king or if there are moves to come.
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Spot on, Karl. It's easy for a person to say they support the Constitution when things are going your way, the real test comes when things are going against you. Many elements of the left has shown what they really are with censorship (Google, Facebook, Twitter), propaganda (CNN and the rest of the mass media clowns) and violence (Antifa, BLM).

I hope these people pull their heads out understand what they're doing to the country.
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They will not. That's my prediction.

But this is a losing proposition for them. The better of the two possibilities - - for them and everyone else -- is that they are prosecuted and lose legally.

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I read Biden's comment about Charlottesville: "There is only one side."
Right. And the science is settled, too.

The stupidity is chained down, welded shut and cemented in place.

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Be very selective when it comes to reading reporting on yesterday.

You are watching a Narrative being grown right in front of your eyes. This Narrative ignores the fact that the organizers of the permitted rally yesterday were told to disperse by police while surrounded on all sides by hostile <i>non-permitted</i> ANTIFA/BLM counter-protesters. They did so in the face of <i>extreme</i> violence by those same counter-protesters, and were largely out of the area by the time those protesters were run over.

The police disbanded the only permitted demonstration that day, and allowed the <i>non-permitted</i> one to continue unopposed.

Be suspicious of all you see and read about Saturday's event from the usual places. The white, racist boogyman narrative needs to be flamed to serve the interests of the Powers That Be, and flamed it will be.
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One side is run by or coddles Communists, the other has never openly sided with Nazis and rational people never will.
The Communists are trying to call all opposition Nazis.
More agitprop.
A Celebration of a system that killed far more than National Socialism.
https://www.nytimes.com/column/red-centu....

Rational people are between a Rock and a Hard Place.
It will come down to who wants to kill you and why?

The current crop of people calling themselves Nazis are unorganized idiots.

The Communists have a century of experience behind them as well as money, logistical support, a professional propaganda army, protection of many political jurisdictions and the LEO that answer to them, and millions of uneducated emotionally motivated, easily misled, people that will do the bidding of the Communist leaders.

Which is the bigger threat to you?
Nazis are few in number and inept.
The Communists are like the Borg.
They will not stop until you are one of them or dead.
I am ignoring the Islamic threat for now but they have the same MO.

Sat Kong.
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From the clips I've seen posted online from the processed news-product networks, we're going to be treated to several days of "look at all those racist white crackers murdering peaceful protestors!"

Sessions...? Please. That big ****ing pussy won't fight anyone that has the resources to fight back and/or leftists that might call him a mean name.

Just a quick item to those reading this...if you're watching this at home on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, or Fox YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! That cable/satellite bill you pay every month is paying the salaries of the "talent" on those networks that want you on your knees, in chains or dead. I don't want to hear any bull**** about Dynasty Ducks or the new season of The White Trash Bed and Breakfast" or how you wife will leave you if she can't watch fake reality shows. If that's the case, your marriage is already over, you just haven't been served the paperwork yet. I don't want to hear about supporting fox news either. The people calling the shots on that channel now hold you in the highest contempt.

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This news has my wife wanting to go out in the back yard later this afternoon and practice with her, she stole mine, Kimber Rimfire Target.
Starting her off with something she can handle.
The CZ Shadow 2 is for later.

Loading up another 100 Hornady 55 SP over 27 grains of CFE223 as I sit here.
Redding Powder Measure and Forster Coax for now.
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Amazing how this will be spun into a right-wing terrorist attack now.

Antifa attacking journalist unprovoked....



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BTW all those peaceful protesters <sarc off> (antifa members) putting their baseball bats to use on the assault vehicle. They came armed for a fight and to provoke the situation against people that had went through all the proper channels.

The fact is decent people have had enough of this **** from the ORGANIZED communist domestic terrorists. When the driver backs up it is truly a testament to natural selection in action. I don't support the driver but I sure as hell don't support Antifa after all the previous violent acts and threats. Both can go straight to Hell. The driver claims he was attacked and panicked. Not sure if I buy that story but looking at the video I'd say he had reason to fear for his life.

I shall shed no tears for Antifa members or supporters. Not only will I not associate but I will not sympathize nor empathize with them. The same goes for all quasi-nazi groups.




Bottles,rocks, baseball bats, pepper spray, jars filled with excrement - the antifa legacy continues. Once again we have the "illegitimate POTUS" crowd here.





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We are already so far outside the constitution that if the left pushes us much farther, you might as well burn the bill of rights. The bill of rights was what was supposed to limit government. The 5th amendment was to prohibit socialism. There is no prohibition on my right to discriminate. Only on the government to discriminate.

Slavery was a side issue in the Civil War. Taxation that favored the north was the primary cause and the reason South Carolina moved on Ft. Sumpter. Lincoln's first act was a massive increase in tariffs that would be borne by the southern states.

I'm not really versed on what was behind the march, but it seems it had something to do with a statue of Robert E. Lee. Compared to US Grant and Sherman, Lee was a saint. Lee fought for Virginia, not for or against slavery. Defense of their states was the primary reason most men fought. Slavery was an issue used by northern heathens as a front. It was an institution that was in its death bed at the time. Reparations to the owners and grants of land to the former slaves would have solved that problem at a fraction of the cost. War would have happened anyhow, because the north was waging economic war through DC.

The same bull**** is going on today. I doubt 1 out of 10,000 white people get up in the morning and think, "what can I do to put another minority (fill in your own label), in their place. That would put the number of hyper racists at around 20,000. That is more than the number of blacks killed by whites over a 5 year period. If there was a get the N word movement in the United States, there would be a lot more attacks. When there is one, it's national news.

There are black conservatives, like Larry Elder, who make the real points. The real points are, black kids are left to be raised by grandma and the state. Daddy is on the street corner and mom is either working or drawing disability. Both, quite often are looking to make another kid with another mate to leave with granny and another ward of the state. This doesn't apply to all black people, but the ones that largely have problems, this is a fairly common denominator. The schools suck, because this is what the government and the teachers unions want. This phenomenon arose over the last 50 years and it has come at great cost to the urban black population and the other people of the United States. Black people used to be largely raised by 2 parents prior.

Nothing is going to change as long as they blame whitey and wait for the government to fix it. The black family model, not the universal black family model, but the one I point out, is the problem and until that changes, the chance there is a fix is nil.

There hasn't been slavery for 150 years now and all people, black or white that can recall it or participated as slavery or slave owner have been dead for 60 years. Most white immigrants in the 1800's were closer to having been slave in years than this.

What I mention is not only a black problem, but has invaded for white community as well. My bet is that 2/3 of the left protesters can't do math without a calculator. They were either in 1 parent homes or their parents were leftists. 2/3 can't unstop their toilet or change a flat. Half or more are likely taking a prescription to mentally balance them. They can all make demands on other to fix their problems.

Most Americans aren't paying attention, but if you are white, there is a war being waged against you. You are the reason for their problems. There is an anti white genocide movement and it is heard everyday somewhere in the news. You are considered a racist by groups that can only be defined as racist. This isn't much different than what went on in South Africa 30 years ago. Tell me now how well that has worked for white South Africans? The country will be total ruin in another 20 years.

If this had been a real white supremacist gathering, we wouldn't be hearing news about a car. Antifa would have gotten what they had been asking for, which was to be mowed down by 100 12 gauge shotguns loaded with 00 buckshot. It will come to this, if the United States is to survive in anything close to its present form. It will either be the national guard, law enforcement or the Army, or Americans will have to take their lives in their own hands. Antifa is nothing but a neo-nazi brown shirt movement.

Black Lives Matter is another bunch of bull****. Police shoot a lot of people in action, some unjustified. But, I doubt any of them wake up with the idea I'm going to kill someone today. They pick on people out late on the streets, as I am pulled over about once a year myself. I would not want to make some of the calls they have to make.

Again, the problem rests as much with the black community as with the police. Time might be better spent getting the crime out of neighborhoods and raising ones children as running these protests.

I welcome all these protesters to move to any country outside of East Asia that isn't largely run by white people. Throw out the high tourist resort countries. Stay there long enough to have an encounter with the police and get a good dose. I bet 95% will be beating a path back and the other 5% will only stay due to ideology.

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Notice the damage on the car prior to him accelerating into the crowd.

In the videos, you can also see he was being attacked prior to hitting the gas. Was this a premeditated attack, or fleeing the mob descending on him with baseball bats?

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Yeah, this whole thing seems like a psyop exercise.

You have ANTIFA and BLM funded by Soros and the left, then you have white nationalists who the FBI follows extremely close and have informants within the organizations.

Then the cops allow the two groups to come into contact and actually help bring that about.

This was like someone throwing a chunk of pure sodium into a bucket of water, people knew before hand what would happen. Maybe not the car thing but authorities knew there was going to blood, and that was the point.

You had people sign up to schedule a march, like or hate what they were saying they had a right to assemble and march. The cops did nothing to protect them from violent thugs.

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"Eli" wrote..
Yeah, this whole thing seems like a psyop exercise.

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This isn't a left or right issue. As long as people keep subscribing to that notion then forget, we'll never win. Yes, Progressives do ram their agenda down other people's throat, but if you think Silicon Valley is a bunch of left wing liberal progressive than you haven't been to Silicon Valley or know anything about it--it's very much Libertarian, even Alt-Right.

The issue here in Charlottesville is the same problem everywhere in the US. Everyone has a right to peacefully assemble and protest, as long as it's not inciting violence. That also means the people protesting the protesters. And no, we shouldn't need permits. The question is, why are protests always ended up in these clashes? Of course when two opposing crowds begin to intermingle clashes start. Unless you want utter docility in the population this will always be the case.

The question is, where are the police to help ensure that all groups can show up and have their voice peacefully heard? They're nowhere. We fall for this every time. If they really wanted to "suppress" any demonstration they would've never granted the permit, not cancel it at the last minute.

Now maybe there's a conspiracy and that they granted the permits to set up a conflict, and so on. Sure, it's possible. However, complicated conspiracies are almost impossible to pull off and hide (something will get leaked, and maybe it would), except, second, we see this everywhere in the United States. What likely happened is that people in mass show up and the police are unable or unwilling to ensure all demonstrations are peaceful. Because they're not trained anymore to do police work. In terms of crowds, they're not trained for crowd control, they're trained in crowd dispersion. This kind of training being the primary focus is inherently counter to the right to peacefully assemble.

Remember this from Ferguson:



Or how about in San Francisco in 2011 where the police turned off public internet access during a protest against the police: https://www.wired.com/2011/08/subway-int....

These are "left wing" protests. And it doesn't matter what they're protesting so long as it's peaceful. The only censorship on content concerning the right to assemble is the inciting of violence. But people are just as dumb to want the counter protesters censored or that you think it's their fault. When people show up to protest, really protest, of course they passionately believe in their cause (not all of course). So emotions get heated. That's human nature. It's the job of the police to ensure that all of these groups have enough space to voice their opinion (and, no, they don't have to be factually correct or engage in facts at all, they can show up to simply express they don't like the governor's face). And, if groups get large enough, there's likely always to be a crazie in there.

Everyone has a right to express their views, and one can be for or against any of the groups involved, but then don't pretend that you're having a discussion of rights when you turn around and say the counter protesters should be suppressed like some have said or indicated in comments. The counter protesters have just as much right to be there. Or even a third group simply saying they like animal balloons.

When these protesters begin to physically engage each other, then, why aren't the police standing in between them? Where are the police at all? They're probably hiding around the corner behind their riot shields and not doing real police work: ensuring public safety and Constitutional rights. This will always continue to happen until the real problem is address: how the police view the population and how they are trained.

Back in the Skokie march, as odious as one thinks of it (and I would be of them), they did have their right to march, however, the main point is that the police back then were still doing police work and in went peacefully.

These clashes do not need to happen, but they will continue to as long as the police approach the problem the way they do. They are simply ill equipped for people to have the peaceful right to assemble. This was the problem in Iraq when we told the Army and Marines that they had to act as police. Of course innocent people are going to get killed or that they'll anger the local population, because the military is taught to kill and have a high profile appearance (not a low profile that good police work seeks). And these military units were not MPs, for the most part they weren't deployed in sufficient numbers. Then we blamed the individual soldiers and even put some on trial for attempting to perform in a dangerous situation police duties they were not even trained for (the training was actually the opposite). The blame there was totally misplaced.

Here, the blame is being totally misplaced. It's not the protesters, it's the police whose duty it is to ensure everyone can peacefully assemble. It's going to be the same thing with our police, they are in situations that they SHOULD be trained for, but are NOT and are even trained to do the opposite.

You the tax payer pay for the police. Now ask yourself: what are you paying for?
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Take @Veronb's infor wars video for example.

First off, there's one or two people performing the assault, and then you're projecting it onto an entire group. Do you even know the person who did the attack? Was that a coordinated attack? Because this game goes both ways. Can one pin the Charleston church shooting then on these Alt-Right groups? Of course not. So let's be careful of unnecessarily projecting, because for the most part, the vast majority on both sides are peacefully assembled.

But look further in that video. I've been to a number of protests and just large open events (like Mardi Gras). We see the police all hiding behind barriers, double barriers even. And you have police already taking an aggressive position (riot gear, etc). And when this person was assaulted, which they were, where were the police?

Setting up barriers is fine by the police, but what they're suppose to do is get off their asses and intermingle with the crowd in pairs. They're either dressed in standard uniform or plain clothes with ID necklaces. And they stroll around the crowd, asking people if they're okay, if they need any assistance, and so on. They don't take any stances on the issues, they just intermingle and ask people how they're doing. This helps lower the tension. instead the police take an aggressive or alienating stance right from the beginning (either riot gear right before the crowd, or they barricade themselves off). That's not how police work is done.

The police right from the start already begin escalating the tension, and this feeds into the crowds emotions. Events I've been to that got out of control the police immediately from the start of the day took an aggressive and alienating stance. I've never been to an event that got out of control where the police peacefully intermingled.

And by the police intermingling they can get the individuals that assault other people, or even prevent it before they do assault someone.
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nonsensical wrote..
Here, the blame is being totally misplaced. It's not the protesters, it's the police whose duty it is to ensure everyone can peacefully assemble. It's going to be the same thing with our police, they are in situations that they SHOULD be trained for, but are NOT and are even trained to do the opposite.


I'll have to partially disagree here and not because I have any hero worship complex towards police. The dirty secret exposed in various events that have boiled over periodically in recent decades is that the police are pretty much powerless to prevent any sufficiently large group from causing all sorts of chaos. The man power just isn't there on a police to population ratio if enough people should choose to act out

I won't speculate on whether this case suffers from those type of numbers or not. Perhaps they could have calmed things down earlier, who knows, I wasn't there and don't trust the media to accurately report on it. Much like debt, you can let small things spiral out of control until it reaches the point where it's beyond your physical ability to fix without some real ugly solutions.
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Hello @budget-racer

I would bring up two counter-points.

1. There are sufficient police. City police can call up off duty, county sheriff, and state police. And they can log in over time. The police manage just fine here every year with the Rose Parade and Rose Bowl (where the Rose Bowl can get heated because College football fans can get really fanatical). At least for me, as a tax payer, if law enforcement said they had an overtime bill because they had to ensure people's right to peacefully protest I would think that's a good use of tax payers money. At least for me.

2. That any of these protests are inherently violent and out of control. I've been to protests where there's been black militants and white supremacists, both of these being the "extremes" of the two groups involved, and they conducted themselves peacefully.

The public doesn't need insane ratios of police to protesters. Interacting instead of taking an alienating stance goes a long ways. When things get out of hand between two groups it's because of a mob mentality (which we are all susceptible to because we are human who are emotional social animals) and/or the two crowds start pushing into each other. It doesn't just cause more aggressive behavior when you get pushed into the opposition, but also from getting pushed from behind by the surge.

Also, there's also an occasional bad seed or two, and the police by being in the crowd can get a hold of it. With no police presence there's essentially no referee. The police for the most part are the acknowledged referee, and that goes a long way being present.

In the info wars video posted above, you'll see that people from both groups don't really come to the assistance of the pepper sprayed person (even when he enters the other side's line). This is just from my personal experience. This is actually quite common in protests. It's not that people are uncaring, on either side, but initially they're reluctant to get involved in any thing that looks like a skirmish because they WANT to remain peaceful so they kinda of get in this state of passivity to remain peaceful--both groups in this case remained in a peaceful state. This is another reason why the police need to intermingle. Because from my experience, once that peaceful stance is broken, then, yes, all hell breaks loose. But what cause the break, and can it be prevented so everyone can peacefully assemble and pitch their ideas to the public.

Sure, you the public have every right to think either side are a bunch of nut jobs, or that both sides are nut jobs AND say so. But we need to ensure that these gathering of cause and counter cause remain peaceful. And most times, it doesn't take an army of cops to do it.
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Eli wrote..
Then the cops allow the two groups to come into contact and actually help bring that about.


Yeah, that now seems to be the plan.

In the good old days it went like this:

-I deplore what you say but will defend your right to say it
-Counter protesters move in.
-Cops separate them.
-Everyone says what they want and go home.

Now it looks like the formula is:

-I deplore what you say, You're not welcome here
-Cops stand down (per orders from above), allow counter protesters and protesters to fight.
-Media: See how violent and hateful those people are!
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Nonsensical said:
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The question is, where are the police to help ensure that all groups can show up and have their voice peacefully heard? They're nowhere. We fall for this every time. If they really wanted to "suppress" any demonstration they would've never granted the permit, not cancel it at the last minute.


From what I understand the city reps set this up not the police. The federal judge upset the city plans to exclude the 'alt-right' protesters.

So the police are there to act as fodder between the 2 groups? Nothing like fighting a war on two or more fronts. The city police are out there at the request of the city council. You act as if they are group that should show up on their own to play referee. Who do you think pays them and tells them where to go?

You don't need the city police you need tanks and national guard to deal with an armed mob! But as BLM members are so fond of saying 'Eff the police'. Sounds like you are saying the same thing. Knowing these leftists groups have already shot and killed many officers the city still allowed these thugs to be there?

The fact is the Virginia governor and the city council are BLM and Antifa sympathizers.

As far as the pepper spray idiot will I use him to blame the mass of the antifa protesters. You are damned right I SHALL. You want to know why?:

1) This is not an isolated incident. There is a history here. The escalating violence is what is attracting these people! Keep pretending it is a lone or a few crazies. Get these people into mobs and their weak minds and the SJW aggressions are further manipulated. Remember the police that were gunned down by BLM members? These groups have an agenda and are willing to promote it though violence and intimidation.

Which group is wearing masks to hide their identities? Which group has come prepared with organized/improvised weapons and use them? Do you think no one else in the groups knew they did not have these things? Which group attracts people that seem prone to violence as the first interaction to those that disagree? We already know no one can have a rational conversation with such emotionally driven maniacs. Facts be damned.

2) No one in the Antifa, BLM, QGTB-OMGwhatthehellisit group did anything to stop his actions before or after the pepper spraying therefore they have given tacit approval! Most people on the right would have grabbed the person if he/she was of 'their own' and promptly dispatched the authorities. What you have here are thugs and vandals. If you are marching with them or make excuses for them then you too support THUGS and VANDALS. If you support them then you are one of them.
I would not associate with people that I know to freely associate with criminals on a personal level. Odds are they are also engaged in some nefarious business too! Yes it is all about association but you seem to suffer some cognitive dissonance about the association. I do not suffer from that limitation.

I don't give a damn about their opinion. What I do give a damn about is people acting in a peaceable and civilized manner. But that is NOT part of their agenda.
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Let's not compare Charleston to this event. That was ONE individual acting alone and not in a crowd. No DECENT person approved of that issue either. There was no nearby 'peer' to stop him or immediately shut him down. There was no group participation (as far as I know) in that event. The stretch is a non-sequitur at best.

You can call it projecting I call it staying alive. I might even call it profiling. Go run your nonsense on someone else. These people will get no jobs or assistance from me as it only gives them more resources to continue these acts of aggression.

It's time to get back to the range now. I prefer neutralizing threats at 200+ yards.



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@Vernonb -- I'm not good enough with the AR-15 at 200 yards, but I'm good enough with it until about a nanometer, I suppose. It's still going to be just as loud anyway.

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And, Vernonb, as for what I'd prefer, yep, I like 600 feet better than right in and on my face, and have a couple dozen rounds for the incoming threat... but there's still the kill shot to be taken in the event it's needed. (Yep, I watched the Armageddon (1998) movie today. It was pretty well made.)

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Hello @vernonb

Welcome to a place call Earth.

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So the police are there to act as fodder between the 2 groups? Nothing like fighting a war on two or more fronts


Fodder? A War? That's almost comical. In any case, that's their job, other than that I don't know what the justification for their existence is. They can't keep a peaceful assembly, peaceful through interaction...yet, then we expect them to go toe to toe with violent felons.

Is it illegal for the city council or the governor to be "left-wing"? If you don't like his politics then vote him out. If you don't live there, then the people of Virginia have every right to elect who they want. If the alt-right crowd is convinced how correct they are, then hold your ground. So what, they tell you to go home and you do? They took your permits away...so what. Show up and tell them you don't need any permits and make them make you leave when you have every right to be there.

As for the video, I was rather using it as an example, and being rather kind in even giving it the benefit of the doubt in being real. I don't even know if the event was staged or not (which would explain why everyone in the video didn't do anything--all the various groups were in the close vicinity). So then let me rephrase my previous example. Instead of saying that in crowded situations there are cases, many times, where people don't come the aide of someone. It's not about not caring, it's about noticing. It's rather difficult to notice a situation in a crowd because the brain sacrifices clarity for movement detection (which is why it can be hard to find Waldo many times).

I don't know if the info wars video is real or staged. However, you could easily enough stage it in a crowd without anyone really noticing--because it's rather easy to hid in a crowd. There's simply too much information for individual brain's to process. In either case, this is why the police need to intermingle, to lessen the tension, in case someone needs aide, etc, because it's difficult to notice things in a crowd.

Further, then could I blame every hate crime on the Alt-Right? I'll take the individual events and treat them as a collective pattern and phenomena.

I had considered it not worth responding to, and it probably still is, but I hear so much about this white culture and how it's under attack. What white culture? To have a culture one has to engage in its higher productions. What great white culture than are these people producing and/or engaging in? Literature, art, music, some form of expression...anything? Most white kids sit in front of a computer playing games giving themselves first person shooters. "White" culture, call it European or American culture, is dying precisely because of lack of engagement from....white people.

Or does "white" culture mean nothing more than white skin? Isn't that affirmative action, then? Is white skin the only qualification? Not too high of a bar there. And let me guess, you argue against about how people think they're special snowflakes, too. Sounds like white skin qualification to me.
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Exactly.
Any differing view is dissent not to be entertained. Period! Everywhere in the world. Run them down. In this case, literally!
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@supertruckertom

I agree with most of what you say. At least rational people are having a hard time to find a place to go.

If you talk to the left, everything is a right wing conspiracy.

Talk to the right, it's all a left wing conspiracy.

The thing is, hardly anyone from either of these groups has every met anyone from the other group. They've turned each other into caricatures and some fantastical Ideal. Charles Dickens examines this in a Christmas Carol. The war between rich and poor are not fought amongst people, but amongst caricature ideals of each other. Scrooge rejects the "homeless" when the charities come asking for donations. Scrooge is arguing against an ideal. But when he is presented face to face with real homeless people he is not an unfeeling monster. Then the reason the story follows Scrooge is to present the ultra wealthy Scrooge as a human being. At the end, he has two choices in terms of exposure. He can stay in his room and die of exposure or he can go out to others and live by exposure to the warmth of the fire.

Perhaps someday it'll occur to both sides that they're addressing symptoms, and fighting each other when in reality they're both getting screwed by the same set of people.
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